Science or religion ?

@SpikeTheLobster (6403)

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25 Nov 11

"And you do not need a magical being to explain how the singularity jumped into existence. Recent models assume that quantum mechanics lead to the creation of the universe." So where did the quantum mechanics come from? Religion steps in where there are no more answers, where science has to "assume". So does religion. You assume quantum mechanics, someone else assumes god. I don't see why those can't be two names for the same thing, just like Allah, Yahweh, God and all the other names are about the same thing.

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@iuliuxd (4453)

• Romania

25 Nov 11

Hi Bluedoll and thanks for your answer. First of all i have no problem with negative numbers .I have a problem because i don`t know the value of "i" either negative or positive.

I also have no problem to see the golf ball exploding,i don`t need a god for that.I`m not even interested who created the golf ball that is another question of less importance.My big questions are what is that nothing around the golf ball and how big is that nothing ? Is there something else after the "infinite " ?

I know it sounds bad but this is my materialistic thinking.

@iuliuxd (4453)

• Romania

25 Nov 11

We can call Him Quantum God and say it was the entity who helped Sam Beckett to jump back and forth in time in the Quantum Leap series

ParaTed2k

@ParaTed2k (22940)

• Sheboygan, Wisconsin

26 Nov 11

Science is man learning how God does it.

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urbandekay

@urbandekay (18278)

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29 Nov 11

Aye all the best urban

@Christoph56 (1504)

• Canada

24 Nov 11

Another possibility behind the idea of a multiverse is the concept through string theory that, beyond our universe, are massive membranes, or super-strings, that are in constant flux, and when they collide together, it slows down energy to make matter, which would start from nothing, then expand outwards, just like what we see in the universe. In a way, the hypothesis' that we have for how the universe came into being are still too far out there for us to really know. We can not see outside of the universe, and we can't see the absolute beginning of the universe either. There is a big difference between science and religion, though. Science takes everything that we know, and puts it towards the hypothesis of what we don't know. Religion takes those ideas, and makes it so they can not be changed. If we came up with testing that showed exactly why and how the universe formed, that was sent through loads of peer-reviewed studies, and mostly agreed upon, it would go from a hypothesis, to a theory, not unlike gravity or motion or atoms, etc etc... Then, from there, there will always be another part that we don't quite know, and we'll have to keep on working to figure it out. I mean, disagreement is how the name, "big bang" came around. When it was first introduced, it sounded like madness to many astronomers, so Fred Hoyle came up with the term "Big Bang" making is sound more like a joke, in a radio broadcast from 1949... but then, the evidence kept on piling up more and more, and the big bang turned out to be true, so, we kept the name.

@Christoph56 (1504)

• Canada

25 Nov 11

Oh yeah, it's way easier to just fall back on the idea that God did it, but if we don't come up with a hypothesis of how it may actually work, and test that hypothesis, to come up with a true theory, then we're not learning anything. If humans are just sheep, following the herd, then we're not going to get anywhere. It was finding hypothesis' and testing that has lead us to all forms of technology that we have today, from plumbing to agriculture to electricity to computers... all of them started with a hypothesis, got tested, turned into a theory, and then advanced with the new information we found. When asked a difficult question you don't have an answer for is, "I don't know, but I'm looking into it!"

@iuliuxd (4453)

• Romania

25 Nov 11

Smilingjack : "It seems you're not interested in actual answers to your original post and just want to have people agree with you. "

Christoph So which one is real ? The big "nothing" , the multiverse or the membrane theory ? Someone will ask you "can you prove these things exist ? If not let`s stick with the god we don`t need the "nothing" ,the multiverse or the membranes .God made everything and that`s it.Isn`t that more easier ?

What i mean is why are people thinking OMG universe is so big it`s normal if we don`t know too much about it ,it`s too difficult to understand how it works but they think God should be much easier to understand ? It`s like "oh the universe ? We don`t really know what`s going on out there , we have some theories but it will take a lot of time to find out but if you talk about a creator at least as complex as the universe then you`ll have to give us proofs " It`s ok i just wanted to know if there are other people who have problems imagining the golf ball sitting there surrounded by " nothing ".I don`t think we will discover here on mylot what`s beyond our universe anyway

@iuliuxd (4453)

• Romania

25 Nov 11

Look Christoph i have this eyes disease called discromatopsy (or something like that ) which means my eyes won`t see some colours when they are mixed with other colours,it`s not such a big problem and a lot of people have the same disease. There are some tests to check if you have such a problem ,usually they show you a picture with a circle filled with a colour and a number inside a circle made with a slightly different colour.If you have this problem you won`t see the number inside the circle. So a person having this problem will ask you "what do you mean there is a number there ? i can`t see a damn thing. Well there is a way to prove that number is there or let`s say 2 ways .One is to show him the picture from a distance like 3-4 meters .Once he has another perspective of the same picture it is more likely he will be able to see the number ( at least it works for me ).Another way i think it is to use a coloured filter like the lens filters we use in photography . I didn`t checked this but it should work.Once you apply the right filter the "blind" will start to see. What if it`s the same in religion ? What if you need to make some steps back or to use the right filter to understand what God is ? I mean it`s up to each individual to believe in a creator or not .But can we blame some people just because they can see a number where we can`t see a damn thing ? Maybe it is our fault because we never thought to look at it from a different perspective or to use the right filter because we don`t need a God.I mean i lived 20 years not knowing i have this disease and i probably would have been fine forever not knowing i have this problem.Same with the religion .Some will accept it just because they are simple people and for them to have a creator is the most simple thing to answer their questions.I mean put on paper right now everything you want to find out and write "God made everything we can see and we can`t see,everything we can understand and everything we can`t understand " Ok now you know the answer to your questions.

Others can discover a creator using their logic just because they can think different. We are working with different notions about truth here we can`t use science for everything.I read somewhere that science can`t prove your wife loves you for example

So why do we blame people just because they have a brain and they are using their brain a little different than we are doing ? Here is a picture with a discromatopsy test :

@TheMetallion (1834)

• United States

25 Nov 11

What's north of the North Pole? The question has no meaning, because the North Pole is defined as the spot on a planet such that every direction away from that spot is south. Asking what's outside the universe or what was before the universe is like asking what's north of the North Pole because time and space are not things external to the universe in which the universe occurs, they are part of the universe. This can be a difficult concept to grasp because we are inside the universe and see time and space as external to ourselves and everything within the universe we observe. Our difficulties understanding it do not change that reality, however. Likewise, the fact that you have difficulty accepting the idea that i is an imaginary number because no real number squared is -1 has no bearing on the existence of i as a mathmatical concept that has real applications in real science.

@TheMetallion (1834)

• United States

26 Nov 11

The scientific model of the universe is quite materialistic. Your inability to grasp that does not change that. I ask theists to give me materialistic proofs about their notions about the existence of their God(s) only when they want me to treat those beliefs with the same seriousness that I treat scientifically verifiable things, or when they want me to supplant my own religious beliefs with theirs. Even if I were to take them as seriously as that, which religious person would you suggest I listen to? A Christian tells me there's a trinity, and a Jew tells me God is One. A Christian tells me Jesus is a person of the Trinity, a Muslim tells me he's a prophet. They all tell me they are monotheist and Hindus tell me we live in a polytheist world. And not one of them can describe a single experiment that could possibly falsify any of their claims. Meanwhile, science works. We can have this conversation over the Internet because science works. Prof. Hawking would be the last person to claim we know everything. Rather, what Prof. Hawking claims, and with quite a bit of justice, that there is not one observable phenomenon for which we need to hypothesize a God in order to explain. You also seem confused about quantum mechanics. It doesn't merely look good on paper, it makes predictions that are confirmed by experiment every single day. Nuclear clocks work, nuclear power plants produce electricity, and nuclear weapons are utterly terrifying because quantum mechanics works in materially observable ways. If a hypothesis merely looks good on paper, science tosses it on the trash heap as soon as its predictions don't pan out.

@iuliuxd (4453)

• Romania

26 Nov 11

Same for religion if we have a God and an Allah it doesn`t mean they are 2 separate beings it means the notion of a God was used by different people.It still means we were created.I know these theories all have a big bang.But it shows how poor is scientists belief about the universe or what they think there are already facts.Because the need to create new "Gods " all the time to explain what doesn`t look good on their paper.Just like religion is doing with the angels and the demons then we have archangels and more demons because God doesn`t have time for all of us and Satan can`t have enough fun if he is alone.If we only have one universe and it`s only one truth and we don`t need god to explain how it works then why do we have so many theories ? Why do we need membranes and infinite universes and the dark matter and the multidimentions . Then we are told even the laws of physics and the natural laws can be different in another universe.This is science. But if someone even suggest we have been created then the same science turns into inquisition.Look this is the book ,if your theory fits into our book we may take a look if not we won`t consider it more than a superstition.How do you know that book has all the truth in it since you don`t know all the truth ?Why should something fits into your book when there are so many unexplained things yet ? You are telling the people "educate yourself " if they don`t agree with you.Do you think you know everything ? Just because someone doesn`t have the same opinions as yours that doesn`t mean you are "educated " and he needs to "educate himself " whatever that means.What does "educate yourself " means ? It is the same as "ask god for forgiveness because you think different from what is written in the bible ? ".We all have to accept the scientific truth as the only valuable truth ? We have to stop asking why people are dreaming,crying or blushing just because the science doesn`t have any rational explanation ? I didn`t said life isn`t worth living.I said our experiences what we learn and what we feel during this life are useless if we are an accident and we will dissapear by accident.Imagine a big fire that will burn everything the human spirit has created.Or everything compressing into a golf ball again.And then nothing.We won`t leave anything behind,on the long term the Earth never existed,DaVinci never existed,John Lennon never existed and Jenna Jameson never existed. I don`t say there isn`t a huge possibility for this to be true but can you blame people because they think there is something more out there? And because they think the human spirit can survive one way or another? Even if we are just fooling ourselves it is still a nice dream.

@iuliuxd (4453)

• Romania

25 Nov 11

The Metallion i agree with you our difficulties of understanding do not change the reality...whatever the reality is.But why do you ask a religious person to give you materialistic proofs about the existence of God since your model of universe is not a materialistic one ? What if we can`t see the God from the same reason for we can`t imagine the unlimited universe ? We don`t need a God we know everything! The guy who tells you this can`t even go to the toilet without help.If we know everything how come he is still on a wheel chair ? We don`t need a God we know everything! Tell that to a guy who has terminal cancer.We don`t need God we know everything.We can`t cure you,so you will die and we will still live for a while but that`s life we already know everything.Then one day a major event will take place and we will all die and everything the human spirit has created,every piece of science and humanity on this planet will be thrown to the recycle bin. Why should we blame people because they think there is another reason for what we live learn and create culture on this earth ? Just because we think we know everything ? Or we are being selective when we ask for material proofs ? Like "listen there is this thing we call quantum mechanics that can explain a lot of things,we can`t see them but they look nice on paper, but if you think there is someone who has a different plan for us,and if it looks good on your paper then that`s bs because it doesn`t look good on our papers.And we already know everything "

ReverendShaggy

@ReverendShaggy (415)

• Philippines

25 Nov 11

I read a lot of the posts here so far and Everyone is going back and forth on the same issues. I agree that it is possible both work together. My question to all that say Well God created the Heavens and the Earth, Thats great so where did God come from? Oh you wanna say he just was? That means he came from nothing? Just like the big bang right. As far as science and religion advancements comments. I truly believe I have seen more wars and societies destroyed over religion than over science so yeah think what you will on that. I am actually one of the many that tend to agree with the multiple universe simply because I do have an open mind and can conceive a portion at least. That is why they say think of it but only infinite. Think of it as big as you can and then never stop multiplying that hence infinite.

@Christoph56 (1504)

• Canada

25 Nov 11

But, at the same time, God is omnipotent and omnipresent, making God infinite as well... so I guess you're really saying, that if all you think about is God, then you'll be keeping your mind busy forever. If you're really interested in the infinite universe, wanting to prove or disprove it, then you should go into astrophysics through university. You might even be able to discover something that will improve the lives of people like yourself for eons to come. And, PS - another way to think of infinite is time... if the universe constantly expands and collapses, then expands and collapses, and doesn't stop, then it is infinite. Is that so difficult to get your head around?

@iuliuxd (4453)

• Romania

25 Nov 11

But you`ll need to keep your mind busy forever with that model so in fact you can`t imagine an infinite universe. Hundreds of years ago the sailors were saying " here the sea is bottomless " if they weren`t able to measure how deep it was.So the scientific truth is changing from time to time no one can say today "the universe is infinite and that`s it . And i agree with you about God he is very hard to understand for the human mind too but that`s why this is belief and not science.

@iuliuxd (4453)

• Romania

25 Nov 11

Yes Christoph God is infinite as well we try to imagine what that means and we can`t so we`ll end up saying "no one can understand what God really is at least not in this life"

The theory of an universe that constantly expands and collapses it is the same thing, it doesn`t matter if it keeps expanding forever or if it collapses from time to time,remember the basic question is what is outside the universe or the golf ball and how big is that nothing ?You still need an infinite space our universe will fill while it is expanding with or without adding the time to the equation.

@paland3 (64)

• Hungary

24 Nov 11

Infinity is something that no matter how hard you try, you can't imagine. I always get an headache :D On one of your last thought, let me mention that science, and religion are not things that cannot be belived in the same time. Actually, i attend a Chatolic University, and study science. Also (and more important) that most of the biggest scientist are/were deeoly religious, 'cause they can see the beauty of the universe.

@paland3 (64)

• Hungary

24 Nov 11

I can't see the logic, why would someone be an atheist 'cause the beauty of the universe? It's like you see a well organised, beautiful garden with little fenses and pathes and bridges and say: omg this is so beautiful, must be without gardener! Also, in Eistein time and life situation being atheist wasn't so awkward.

@paland3 (64)

• Hungary

26 Nov 11

Why are you so offensive? And what is your famous education, which you understand everything? Thanks for the tip, i'm working on my education, and sorry for that it's not going so well you would wish me.

@paland3 (64)

• Hungary

27 Nov 11

Its rally a choice, but also a little bit hard to feel not offended if somebody says I'm in a bubble, and need education. Also, i still dont know nothing about your educations, please tell where did you graduated from and learned about disharmony?

urbandekay

@urbandekay (18278)

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27 Nov 11

The golf ball and the expanding balloon are analogies, and it seems you are not quite grasping the concept. The expanding balloon is a physical object expanding into space but it represents space itself expanding. There is nothing outside the golf ball because the golf ball is the limit of space. This is of course hard to understand and even harder to visualise but it is not impossible. Einstein famously compared space to a cube turned inside out again and again and again. Perhaps that analogy helps or perhaps it doesn't. Let us try and say something; imagine a 2 dimensional creature on a sheet of paper, it can move up and down the paper or it can move left or right but if it goes far enough it comes to the edge and wonders what is beyond. Now imagine the same creature on the surface of a balloon it continues to move but never comes to the edge. This is called an unbounded plain. Now can you imagine a similar situation in 3 dimensions? That then is the nature of space and unbounded 3 dimensional space. Yet even then it is a little more complicated. Matter 'bends' space. Hope that helps a little all the best urban

mantis36

@mantis36 (4219)

• Philippines

28 Nov 11

this simply proves that the limits of our brains is only at the near edge of the expanding balloon of expanding own universe.... we don't actually saw what was there on the outside of that expanding balloon, so to end the story, we must do something to summarized it all by inventing a religion that in an instant created it all in 6 days and finished the story. and a blasphemy too if people start to argue or else, a fires of hell is waiting if won't agree.... own own universe is is full of darkness that seems infinite of darkness and full of dusts, gas, and meteors and planets that if you only summarized it all obstacles = it is like your'e in a vessel ship telescoping what was there at that distant island but the telescope is covered by a 10 meter thick cemented wall... why 10 meter cemented wall? because the finite universe that we live is full of dust, gas, meteors and planets and because they are all abundant in all directions, they serves as a solid wall obstacles preventing our telescopes to view what was there outside the finite universe.... imagine if the universe isn't black, and if the universe doesn't contain dusts, gas, meteors, and planets, therefore, it is easy to view what was there outside the balloon of expanding universe even though how far the distance....

@iuliuxd (4453)

• Romania

28 Nov 11

It doesn`t matter if it`s black ,white,pink or transparent.We can still see though it.

@iuliuxd (4453)

• Romania

27 Nov 11

Urbandekay thanks for your answer,i think it is the most detailed answer i got but still doesn`t help me too much.I mean i can imagine the whole universe inside of the golf ball but i can`t imagine the nothing around.I mean for something to expand it requires some other space bigger that allows the expansion.And i can`t imagine that nothing.I think i can get rid of the baloon but i needed something that keeps the expanding universe inside,give it a round form and helps me to imagine the expansion so the object is not important.We can use a soap balloon, and blow some smoke inside and let`s say the smoke will expand as we blow it.Now let`s say the air is the universe empty space and the smoke are galaxies and everything that has a volume and a mass.You still need some outside space for what`s inside the balloon to expand. Maybe i am one of the few people having this problem but i admit i can`t imagine that. Plus if the universe is a sphere then where are we (i mean x,y,z or rho,phi,theta) on this sphere ?(if the universe is a sphere ) A materialistic mind can`t imagine things coming from nowhere,or "nothing,not even empty space".At least my mind can`t.Even if it looks good on paper i can`t imagine that.And what i can`t imagine i refuse to believe because there are better stories i can believe.

barehugs

@barehugs (8973)

• Canada

24 Nov 11

Lets just sum it all up like this - Everything that has made our lives better, and easier, from the discovery of fire, to the invention of the flying machine has been achieved through scientific research. Religion has had 2000 years to make a better world and has utterly failed in every instance! There has never been a man (with the faith of a mustard seed) who could move an ant-hill one inch, to say nothing of a mountain!

@SpikeTheLobster (6403)

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25 Nov 11

"Religion has had 2000 years to make a better world and has utterly failed in every instance!" - not true. Far too many examples to mention. And science has also failed to make the world better in many cases (easiest example: better ways to kill thousands of people at a distance). You can't measure the "benefits" of the two so easily. Science, by nature, has more tangible, material benefits. Religion, by nature, has spiritual benefits which science still has no reliable way to measure.

@Christoph56 (1504)

• Canada

25 Nov 11

I say that fire was a total scientific advancement, from even before we knew what science was! It was where we discovered something through nature, then tried to understand how it was made, we tested the hypothesis' that we had, until we discovered how to do it, and it became easy for everyone to do! We used our minds to conquer what was right in front of us... now that's Science!

@iuliuxd (4453)

• Romania

25 Nov 11

It is an opinion .Unlike you i think everything that has made our lives better and easier has been achieved through science,religion and arts or the human spirit.And everything that happened bad all these years have happened because we are pretty bad people not because there is or there isn`t a God.We made a manipulation tool from religion like we make killing machines with the help of science.

Oneironaut

@_sketch_ (5742)

• United States

27 Nov 11

There wasn't anything outside the "energy ball." There wasn't empty space either. Distance needs two reference points, so in order for there to be space, there has to be stuff. Emptiness and stuff had to expand simultaneously. Why does there have to be something outside the universe? Why is it that the idea of a god that could exist without a creator more tangible to you than the idea that a universe could exist without a creator? And actually, the universe is not infinite. It has a size, an always growing size, but a size still. It just seems infinite since we are so small and there's no way to find the end of it, since it is expanding faster than we could travel. The reason why scientists believe that the universe has a size and is always expanding is because all the bodies follow a certain pattern in space. I don't think that the value of "i" has anything to do with the existence of God whatsoever. Regardless of its value, it's not going to prove anything either way. It's not related. If you took it in school, then your teacher should have explained it to you. Maybe the theologists should be praying for an answer to this question. I bet many have, but it doesn't seem like anyone has ever gotten an answer. Come to think of it, I haven't really heard of anyone getting an answer to any prayer.

Oneironaut

@_sketch_ (5742)

• United States

27 Nov 11

Given that there is evidence that at least suggests that this is the case, and given that the theory can change with new information that is obtained, it is science. About the stars... that is a completely different thing. No it doesn't create "another pattern". A star exploding will of course throw itself outwards, as with all explosions, but it's not going to change the entire universe. So you can't imagine an energy ball, but you can imagine a magical man in the sky in a vast nothingness who randomly decided to create the universe because he was bored and then threaten his toys with destruction because he didn't like how he made them, even though he is perfect and therefore isn't able to make mistakes? Yes, much more fathomable.

@iuliuxd (4453)

• Romania

27 Nov 11

So you can imagine an energy ball sitting there alone and with nothing around not even empty space ? Is this science or religion ? Because for me it is religion i can`t imagine such things. BTW remember this is only a theory.Maybe one day another theory will tell us there is something outside the limit of the universe or there was something outside the golf ball.Like you said the scientists believe that the universe has size and it`s always expanding because all the bodies follow a certain pattern in space. How about the stars ? I mean i know every star will die at a certain moment and it will turn into a "golf ball " .We have red dwarfs ,white dwarfs,neutronic stars etc.Isn`t this another pattern ?

@iuliuxd (4453)

• Romania

27 Nov 11

I understand it is science sketch and i`m looking forward to understand it one day but i said for me right now it is religion because i can`t imagine such notions like the "nothing" and the golf ball sitting there alone.I know there are theories about how the matter is created and everything else but we`ll have to wait and see what happens. And about religion ,that`s where most of you are wrong.Religion means believing something happened.I can believe a superior intelligence made an experiment and created this universe at a certain moment.And i can believe someone created the human specie and all life on earth.Science works with facts not with beliefs.So i can believe whatever i want,that is my personal problem,one can believe the universe doesn`t even exists that doesn`t mean the universe is not there and a big bang probably didn`t happened.I choose not to believe science because in my opinion science means a little more than my "stupid" superstitions,so i want proofs i can understand not stories. Just because some people are smart that doesn`t mean they can`t make mistakes or we should believe everything they are saying.And it doesn`t make us smarter if we just agree with them.It makes us smarter if we try to find and to understand the truth and if we look for possible explanations all the time.Probably some of the theologists of this world have the same bright minds as some of the best physicians we have today ,they are only using their minds for a different purpose.So i don`t know if laughing about them is such a good idea.There are people who are more inclined to study the spiritual part of this world or whatever they consider is important for them.

@SpikeTheLobster (6403)

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24 Nov 11

Maybe part of the problem is that we try to separate science and religion. Who says we couldn't have been created along with the rest of the universe by an all-powerful entity who caused the Big Bang to happen? Just because science exists, it doesn't have to negate the existence of a god of some kind. Perhaps, in the end, it'll prove it. That'd be amusing. A lot of the problems you've suggested are problems because they're conceptual. They aren't actual, physical things we can touch so we have to represent them with abstract ideas. It's like Escher paintings: on paper the structures work but you can't build them. There's another problem that's fundamental to the scientific approach to religion, as well - one which many scientists and theologians forget but which you mentioned. We constantly try to analyse and represent everything in terms that humans can understand: god, the universe and a whole bunch of other things (like why women love shopping) are beyond human comprehension. They simply won't fit into a formula because they were never meant to. They're a different kind of reality that we can't understand - at least until we progress beyond our materialistic views of everything. That's my opinion, anyway.

@SpikeTheLobster (6403)

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24 Nov 11

"there's NO reason to assume there's a god" - there's no reason to assume there isn't one, either. There's no reason to assume infinity exists. There's no reason to assume that the observations we make of other solar systems (for example) are accurate. Scientific theories only last until they're proved wrong. Yet everyone accepts them, dances around their computers and yells "Told ya so told ya so" until someone else comes along and proves different. It's the same thing, just with numbers instead of faith. "I get the impression you're not really interested in actual answers but just want to see people agree with you about something you don't understand." - there are no actual answers. That's why life is so cool. For every rule, there's an exception. Everything is opinion. (I've had that discussion before on here.)

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@iuliuxd (4453)

• Romania

25 Nov 11

What's the default position ? To just assume something must exist ? To assume there is a small probability that God can exist.At least this is how i see things. The other person reaches his solution by reason and logic, he proposes hypthesis, do experiments and improve his theory times and times again until it's as perfect as he could hope to achieve. That can work for religion too.But someone need to use a different logic one that has God inside not one where he is an intruder.At least this is how i see things.

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@iuliuxd (4453)

• Romania

24 Nov 11

Spike i think your post is very helpful.I have a problem with english language i can`t say all the time exactly what i want to say but yes this is what i wanted to say too "We constantly try to analyse and represent everything in terms that humans can understand" Try to understand what God is using your materialistic logic and you`ll end up thinking he is a nazi.Try to imagine the golf ball with nothing around and the infinite universe and you`ll end up in the madhouse.These are notions we can`t imagine with our materialistic mind. Also there is another annoying question.People say "i don`t believe in God because i have no solid proof " If i go to the market to buy a turkey i will pick one and i will say "I believe it weights 5 kilos "(is that too much for a turkey ? idk we don`t eat them here

) Then i go to a machine and i see it has exactly 4.8 kilos.So now i don`t say "i believe it weights 4.8 kilos " .Because now i know it weights 4.8 kilos.Same with religion.That`s why we say "i believe" because we don`t have the material proof.Once you have the material proof you will stop believing and you will accept the existence of God as a fact.

Gram13000

@Gram13000 (443)

• United States

25 Nov 11

Science, religion, and politics are all the same thing. The bible was the first book to say the world was round. Ironically people still thought the world was flat years after the bible was written. Now scientist have confirmed that the earth is really round. Noahs flood was rain and tsunamis, sadam and gomorah was an exploded volcano, everything that happened in the bible there is a scientifil explination for. Religion is science.

Gram13000

@Gram13000 (443)

• United States

25 Nov 11

Religion is science you keep thinking its not and you will be a pawn in the world. The bible did not say round as a disc it said round, period. The 4 corners of the world that are mentioned is north south east and west. The bible also broke down pie at around 3 which is 3.14, the bible showed us how to cook meat and make swords, also david and golieth showed us how to shoot. Man with bible knowledge can shoot man without bible knowledge and you have armys of religious people taking over armies of non religious people with more advanced weapons because they like to read, good day people.

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@TheMetallion (1834)

• United States

25 Nov 11

@Gram13000: The Bible said that the world was round in the sense of a disc, not a sphere. Science didn't confirm this, it refuted it.

@iuliuxd (4453)

• Romania

26 Nov 11

We`ll have to wait for the battle of Armageddon to see who`s stronger.I say only Superman can defeat God :D I agree that`s not "science" .Even if the bible say the earth is round that may be because everything else in the sky looks "round" .For those who want to find "science" in bible there are such things like the Oceanic currents (they were discovered by a guy named Maury with the help of the bible "The fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea, and whatsoever passeth through the paths of the seas " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Fontaine_Maury There are other intriguing things (like the mountains and valleys from the sea ) but that can also mean the ancient people knew more about this world than we think they knew.Or they were able to imagine things like Jules Verne did and some of them really exist in reality .I don`t think the bible is a scientific book,it has good historical value but that`s it. I like this from the bible : "The heavens declare the glory of God,and the sky above proclaims his handiwork." But again people back then had had a good knowledge of our solar system and probably they were amazed about how well everything works so "it must be made by God " but it doesn`t mean this is a scientific proof that God created the "sky ".

Secret

@IntrovertShy (2780)

• Marikina, Philippines

26 Nov 11

For me, science and religion must not be separated and I don't understand why some people would want to separate science and religion. Science can explain on what we see, hear and feel with full detailed explanation. Religion is also true with the use of faith, but it cannot explain clearly because it is very subjective. That is why there is science that help us explain everything and understand it fully. God has a reason why he allowed science here on earth, there is no need to have a war between science and religion or else, there would be no peace on earth. I am sure God would not want it to be that way.

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@IntrovertShy (2780)

• Marikina, Philippines

26 Nov 11

Oh my gosh

Why do I have double post? My internet connection is so confusing

mantis36

@mantis36 (4219)

• Philippines

26 Nov 11

true, it is like comparing a PSEUDOCODE versus a FLOW CHART where a Pseudocode(Science) where a Flowchart(Religion) either of the two.. they are both ready for compilation to become a program software to run either in dos or windows or it is like counting Pacquiao's punches to Marquez by using either a CompuBox or the MGM Judges Eyes either a CompuBox or a decision of the MGM Judges both reveals that Pacquiao defeated Marquez

@wydtron (302)

• Portugal

25 Nov 11

I think the problem is when people separate them. Science and religion should be mixed seriously I think there is no reason to separate one from each other and say God is right science is devils work, or God doesnt exist because science never proved it. Why cant Adam and Eve exist and why cant they be part of an evolution?

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@IntrovertShy (2780)

• Marikina, Philippines

26 Nov 11

Why can't Adam and Eve exist and why can't they be part of an evolution? Hmmmm... maybe I know the reason why. I think they do not want to accept that we're belong in the ancestors of apes... he he. I think they believe literally to Adam and Eve because God created Adam that is so handsome while Eve created so beautiful here on earth. They said, we are the image of God so that is why all of us are not born ugly -- he he.

@TheMetallion (1834)

• United States

25 Nov 11

Why cant Adam and Eve exist and why cant they be part of an evolution? Because if Adam and Eve were created from dust then they weren't evolved from prior life forms.

LadyLuck87

@LadyLuck87 (45)

• Canada

27 Nov 11

why do you have to choose one or the other? who says that science isn't religion? that religion isn't science? Religion is the study of faith and belief, life and spirituality. It is the study of miracles and magic. And science is exactly the same thing.. only they're magic is a little different.

@iuliuxd (4453)

• Romania

27 Nov 11

Hi LadyLuck thanks for your comment and yes this is my impression from time to time too ,i think science is religion because they want me to believe things.

LadyLuck87

@LadyLuck87 (45)

• Canada

29 Nov 11

science and religion isnt supposed to be about wanting others to believe the same thing you do.. its about finding the answers for yourself.. making the choice as to which you want to believe, or a combination of both... no one can tell you what to believe only what they believe and why... :)

Bhurishrava

@Bhurishrava (696)

• India

2 Jun 12

Science far bette than religion.

Rogelio

@rog0322 (2829)

• Cagayan De Oro, Philippines

25 Nov 11

Science and religion may be universe apart. However a common ground do exist between them and that's where we are now at. Our mind, our bodies and who we are speaks of the duality of that incomprehensible universe and the one that started it all. Maybe the answer to our questions may be found within us.

Xansus

@Xansus (946)

• Bulgaria

26 Nov 11

To put it simply ... Science is not the opposite of religion and the other way around . The opposite of them is Denying Science or Denying religion . Well yes when you think about it if you are closer to science , you think more about i believe in what i see , touch , know and others . When religion is like i believe there is something behind all and i dont need to explain or know how things work . That does not mean when people are interested in science and know about how things are from what are they made and all, that they don't believe in religion . I'm not much of a religion person , but most of the stuff that are in their believes are in my way of thinking . I mean Religion clearly states you will go to hell if you : Kill , Steal , Do bad to others and all stuff like this . In human way of thinking , i do them all yes some people might not be like doing all of them but i do like helping people , i hate stealing , i hate killing . You can say i fallow what people think of religion , but i am not really in to believing there is allmighty hand in the sky that makes and control all . Yes i beleive in greater powers , i do like science cuz it explain things they way they are and are real . Religion is to Believe , i dont think its If you dont do this you go to heel , this is like fear control or something . Well i think like that :)

@iuliuxd (4453)

• Romania

26 Nov 11

I agree with you Xansus denying science or denying religion is bad.It doesn`t matter what god you believe in or if you imagine there is someone who keeps an eye on us all the time,i think it`s a good thing if you think there is something beyond the edge of the universe or outside the golf ball.

mantis36

@mantis36 (4219)

• Philippines

26 Nov 11

I really waiting for this question for a long time, i really love your question because you ask: "So in the beginning it was a golf ball .What was outside the golf ball ?" so my answer is: i think outside that golf ball (before the universe expand) is another form of environment where time and space is in a different unexplained environment where there are at least 10 billions Gods are watching, they are watching very plenty of golf balls... many of the golf balls already burst and expanding (bigbang already started) some of the golf balls are ready to explode (before bigbang) some of the expanding universe are ready to contract (to become a golf ball again) a newly born golf ball (soon or later that golf ball will explode again) yes, plenty of galactic creatures that we call it a God but what we don't know is there are millions of Galactic creatures therefore, there are millions of Gods watching those thousands of golf balls at their different ages... does my deep thinking makes sense?