People with little or no money traveling
By maximax8
@maximax8 (31046)
United Kingdom
November 25, 2011 9:48am CST
I have watched a TV program about Australia protecting its border. Many people come to Australia from a country like Vietnam and have very little or no money at all. They wonder if those sorts of people are going to work illegally.
One Irish man of around 25 years old came over on a working holiday visa to Australia. However they knew that he already had a working holiday visa three years ago. Therefore they said they weren't going to give him a second working holiday visa. His brother and friend were allowed into Australia with their working holiday visas. They sent the Irish man on the next plane to the UK.
The Irish man three years ago hadn't worked because his girlfriend had come over and just had wanted them to travel around looking at the sights. I think that they should have just given him a visitors visa. What do you think?
13 responses
@vandana7 (100282)
• India
26 Nov 11
I think each country has its own set of unemployed people. Unemployed contribute to the nation's poverty. Poor eventually frustrate and may take to arms and other crimes. So it is necessary to keep those numbers as low as possible so that if need be, the government can help to sustain them from the taxes it mops up. When people go to other countries, it should essentially be for the purpose of visiting and having a look around, knowing what others are doing, and what they are doing better than us. It may also mean teaching them something that they were not aware of. Of course enjoying their culture, and their natural surrounding is part of that. But going to other countries for jobs is not fair I think. That is because it denies local people of jobs. Think about it..the cost of living in India is low, we know how to manage with less because that is what we've been doing since childhood. We are also overpopulated so we tend to be competitive. So when we go abroad, we are happy enough to offer better quality services at cheaper rate. Obviously, local people cannot match up to those standards. So local people will be left out! Not fair na?
@maximax8 (31046)
• United Kingdom
26 Nov 11
My home country has its set of unemployed people. There are more people due to the recession. I know some Indian people that are highly skilled and they are working in my home country. I travel to other countries to see the sights and find out about the culture. A working holiday is delightful fun and it is doing work the locals don't wish to do. It is casual short term work not long term promising positions. Big companies from my home country have telephone call centers in India like Dell Computers for example. Thanks for your super response.
@vandana7 (100282)
• India
27 Nov 11
Sweetheart - I am also objecting to Indians moving out as immigrants. I dont make any exceptions there. Pursuing a better life, a dream life within country should be possible. Why is it that an American does not dream of a dream life in India? If my country is not good enough, I need to put in efforts to make it good enough and not run away like a rat leaving the sinking ship. Sorry about that but I do feel that people should love their country a bit more.
@maximas8 - I agree working holiday is great way to travel because of its short duration. However, in recessionary times, it might be better to let every country conserve its resources.
@vandana7 (100282)
• India
27 Nov 11
@maximax - outsourcing that you mentioned may not be as objectionable. I mean logically speaking - the call centers handle the work out here. It costs less to the company and the company makes profits. That profit is used to start another company that can use local folks. Alternately it can be used to keep the company afloat during recession. That way more people would not be unemployed.
I think the category of jobs that should be exported or outsourced should be such that there are no takers locally at the rate that the company considers feasible in its overall plans.
@sijabatnaburjut (2171)
• Indonesia
25 Nov 11
It's too sad. They don't appreciate people who come to their country, at the Australian govt gave him a few day more to stay than sent him home away. We know Australia is trying to protect their country from illegal worker no matter who they came from. Australia became a sought destination area for the working holiday visa from every where in the world, because the job is very diverse there.
@maximax8 (31046)
• United Kingdom
26 Nov 11
When I arrived in Australia the officer said "Welcome to Australia". I was 20 years old on a working holiday visa. I went to the phone and made two calls. I phoned my bank that I was going to join to make an appointment and I rang the backpackers hostel for a pick up from the airport. I went to the backpackers and it was full of Brits and Canadians. A few days later I went to the back and the banking assistants had some tourist brochures for me. He told me the best sights and I was very grateful. I worked as a children's nanny, a factory packer and a charity collector. Thanks for your excellent response.
@maximax8 (31046)
• United Kingdom
26 Nov 11
Hello Jill Hill. Yes, he was a lovely chap and he wasn't at all a threat. Australia is a lovely place for a vacation. At the border I wish is was possible to change the sort of visa. I can't imagine another 24 hours traveling home and no trip except very long plane rides. I feel sorry for the Irish guy. Thanks for your wonderful response.
@bhanusb (5709)
• India
25 Nov 11
Yes my friend maximas the Australian should give the Irish man visitors visa. Like the Vietnamese many Asian people are going to Australia in search of job. Australia is very near to Asia and economically in better condition. So the poor people go there. I think the Australian authority should take liberal policy about the Asian immigrants.
@maximax8 (31046)
• United Kingdom
26 Nov 11
Hi my friend Bhanusb. I wish the Australian government would let in more Asian people to work. Then these people will benefit from the high wages. I think the Irish man should have been able to stay on a visitors visa or go to a nearby country like New Zealand. Thanks for your superb response.
@bounce58 (17387)
• Canada
6 Dec 11
I think this is a common issue in the United States. There are lots of people coming to the country with a visitor's visa, and then they go into hiding. Then they use a fake social security number, or use someone else's number so they could start working.
And then they just wait for the 'immigrant amnesty' to make their stay legal.
@jtj_hello (627)
• Philippines
25 Nov 11
Poor irish man. Unfortunately for those people who were not allowed to enter Australia,they simple are protecting their country's interest too. I have a friend who is in Australia and he said the reason why there;s a lot of foreigner coming to Australia is because of the huge salary being offered by employers there.
@ShepherdSpy (8544)
• Omagh, Northern Ireland
26 Nov 11
If not the same show,I've seen another like it,going back and forward between the Customs and immigration Officers and their cases..I saw an English Guy who was flying in from Thailand,on a vague promise from a guy he'd met in a Thai Bar who said He'd meet him and get him a Job when he arrived..the only thing was the contact he was to meet had given no address or phone number,He only knew a name,and the Guy apparently was on the other side of Australia!
The visitor got sent back to the UK..
Unfortunately for this Irish guy,his story wasn't convincing and He'd made a false declaration on his form..If he hadn't made use of a previous work visa,couldn't he have clarified this without becoming a suspect?
@marketing07 (6266)
• South Korea
26 Nov 11
yes your right my friend, they should give a visitors visa instead of working visa,
@frankiecesca (2489)
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27 Nov 11
Yes it would have been better to just change hsi visa to visitors visa or if he had proff he didn't work last time he could then work now this time.
I guess it is hard to control what goes on but, then they have less problems because they keep a check on their borders better than we do here in the UK I reckon!
@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
2 Dec 11
Illegal immigrants are in the news almost daily here. Boat loads turn up every week it seems trying to gain residency in Australia. They try to get here through illegal means so Australia has no choice but to turn them around or detain them. We cannot just allow these people to come in and live here. We do not have enough water to support a large population like most countries in Europe and Asia can.
I agree with what you are saying about the Irish fellow though. Surely they could have let him stay on a tourist visa. Tourist numbers are way down at the moment with the Aussie dollar being so high, so we need al the tourists we can get. We should not be turning them away.
@yspmyl (3435)
• Malaysia
28 Nov 11
I think Australia have been control very tightly on the visitor who holding working holiday visa. I think sometime, it is quite unfair if one holding a working holiday visa and did not work on their first visit, and return the 2nd time with working holiday visa again but was disallowed to enter Australia. If the Irish man can proof that he did not work on his first visit, I think they will still allow him to enter Australia.
But, one thing I am quite confused is how can the Irish man get his second working holiday visa approved if Australia not allow them to enter Australia with working holiday visa? I think Australia embassy also must have made some mistake over the issue.
@veganbliss (3895)
• Adelaide, Australia
2 Dec 11
Yes, we have an interesting history regarding immigration. I've just finished watching the SBS series "Immigration Nation". That was certainly an eye-opener as to how much we've had a complete policy reversal & its acceptance all in less than a life-time. We can actually accomodate much more than we are getting, which we have recently changed policies to allow much more. Ever since the late 1970's we have actually done a lot more towards immigration than we used to do & attitudes have also changed very quickly in that time, even if the rest of the world believes otherwise.
I believe the law should be upheld in this regard & queue-jumpers should not be allowed ahead of those who have patiently waited for years to come here. How would you feel if this happened to you? I wonder if our immigration department was alerted to the change in the Irish man's situation? I feel he has been misleading towards the authorities & has therefore lost his opportunity. Rather than punish him here, we prefer to deport & are probably under international obligation to do so. I don't feel I know enough about the case in order to comment further on it. We should be tougher on criminals & especially on organized people-smuggling rings, which we are fully aware of & determind to break. The case regarding Vietnam was situation-specific & cannot really be lumped in with everything else to call Australia's immigration laws "unfair" or "inhumane". Cheap & illegal labour makes everyone here suffer.
@WakeUpKitty (8694)
• Netherlands
26 Nov 11
Is it that programm: boarder security or so?
I can imagine they are suspicious about (some) people. Many do go over to find a job. Seems they are not that smart either cause they always have so much prove with them why they know that person wants to work illegal.
Anyway for the irish guy is hope. He can come over here and join the irish-trailer-families who are threatening old people and single women over here. By offering (more forcing) them to do some small jobs (and let you pay forever).
Thanks to the bad economics I think many countries have a policy who to let in or not. And people in some countries already have a name if it comes to illegal working, scamming, hustling etc. No matter if you are one of them or not.
I find it hard to understand too why he can't get a visitor visa. If you know and check where he is staying it must be possible to kick him out of the country if necessary. But this policy is everywhere in the world if they don't like you you won't get anything and have to stay out.