One of the Reason Our Economy is Hurting.
By Fatcat44
@Fatcat44 (1141)
United States
November 28, 2011 10:55pm CST
There is a big change that large multi-country corporations are doing right now. Most markets in the US and Europe are considered "mature" and "fully developed" markets. There a several market areas in the world that are actually coming on strong right now. These are in Asia and Africa, basically developing nations. Most large corporations are spending their capital money in Asia and Africa and developing these countries. Last decade, the USA market was really strong and making money, but the wind has changed and these new developing areas have a good returns, so most of the money is going there.
With this, the big money is not being spent in the US for now. This one of the reasons the corporate tax rates need lowered so the profits can be realized in the US and this will lure the large corporation to invest again in the US, and our economy will turn around.
8 responses
@madmax11 (83)
• Mexico
29 Nov 11
Well economist have been saying it for years... and now even, the answer isn't more taxes, its like a reaction, charge more tax and there will be moe money.. well no! not if these companies can invest in places with lower corporate tax rates..some "educated" people just don't get it!!!!!
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@crossbones27 (49703)
• Mojave, California
29 Nov 11
Can some one answer this? If taxes are so high why are all these big companies continuing to make record profits especially in this economy. What is hurting is small businesses. That is where you need tax breaks these big corporations are on top of the world. These corporations seem to have enough money to buy all these politicians and put them in their pocket. So how are they getting taxed to much? Please stop defending these fat cats and start helping out the little guy. That is where you are going to get this country back on track.
@Fatcat44 (1141)
• United States
29 Nov 11
You are right.
Many corporations have that to get any capital money for investment it must be less than 3 years payback. This must include the 40% tax on the increase profit from the project. Therefore, if the taxes were lower, it would be easier to get approval for the projects. This is the type of incentive the corporations need to be able to send money our way.
There is another factor which plays in effect here, too. Taxes are figured into the corporation cost to make a profit and are just passed onto the consumer,which ends up paying the taxes through the higher cost of the product. With lower taxes, or no corporate taxes, the cost of the product should drop due to competition. But this does put it on the people to pay higher taxes, but they save money because the products are cheaper. And the upside is corporations will provide more jobs and we will see unemployment drop significantly, unemployment taxes drop and we have a larger base for taxing, too.
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@lawdude (237)
• United States
29 Nov 11
Actually, the U.S. corporations were doing the same a decade ago, investing in third world markets where labor and resource costs were cheaper to maximize their profits. The U.S. prosperity up to 2007-08 was largely illusory, manifested by real estate and stock market bubbles and phenomenal profits for investment banks marketing toxic derivatives around the globe.
Businesses invest their capital to maximize profits whether or not it benefits U.S. labor markets. With the cheaper labor costs abroad, U.S. consumers benefit from cheaper imported goods. It's a world economy we live in.
It's unlikely that reducing corporate taxes will benefit U.S. labor markets. Studies show that because of tax loopholes the average taxes paid by U.S. corporations here and abroad from 2000 to 2004 averaged 2.2% of GDP while the average taxes paid by the 30 developed nations averaged 3.4% of their GDP. So I don't see how reducing corporate tax rates will lure multi-nationals to invest here where differentials in the cost of doing business favor investing abroad.
@Fatcat44 (1141)
• United States
30 Nov 11
lawdude, you missed my point here totally. I am talking about the infrastructural manufacturing, that builds the infrastructure of the country. China and the other countries cannot import these products, so they are partnershipping with corporation that are. These corporation only have a certain amount of money to invest, and the return on investment is higher there than here. It has nothing to do with percentages of GDP. To be able to entice the the corporations to be able to match the return, the corporate taxes need to be lowered. We have the 2nd highest corporate taxes in the world. And taxes really not paid by the corporation, but are passes along in the cost of their products, which makes the consumer the ones who actually pay for the taxes, any way.
And when you have the corporation making money, they invest, expand and create jobs. The are not investing and creating jobs. Instead they are sizing back and trying to maximize the little bit of profit they can manage now. Many are not making profits, and therefore are not paying taxes. So I would rather they make profits hire more people than pay taxes.
@lawdude (237)
• United States
30 Nov 11
I see your point but I'm not sure your premises and conclusions are right.
The infrastructure building in the third world is financed by governments that hire U.S. corporations such as Halliburton. In the U.S. our infrastructure has been financed by government at the federal, State, and local level. In the 1930s, the U.S. government built TVA, Hoover Dam, and other public projects. In the 1950s, the U.S. financed the interstate highway system through a trust funded by fuel and excise taxes. Our resevoirs, bridges, tunnels, state and local roads have been financed by state and local governments through public bonds paid off by taxpayers and motorists. Those corporations awarded the contracts prospered and employed workers. Today, we're over-indebteded and governments can no longer afford to float public bonds at the same time our infrastructure is crumbling.
Reducing our corporate tax rate is not going to incentivize U.S. multinationals to return home to invest in our infrastructure - not without government planning, financing, and guarantees against losses. Whether reducing corporate tax rates will lure corporations back home to invest in new manufacturing plants and equipment seems a dubious proposition since taxes are a small part of their overall cost to do business, the largest components being labor, material, and equipment costs.
@Fatcat44 (1141)
• United States
30 Nov 11
I can't say to much more, but I have sat in meetings where the management shows us that this is what they are doing. I actual see it happening.
The only way to get them back is to help them become more profitable, so they will spend more money to optimize their profits here in the US. Lower taxes will help. A few years ago they we spending more because the US was the big profit area. Now now, it is turning to the Asia and African markets. People don't understand they want to sell the 3 billion people in China and India, and not just to the 300 million in the USA. The Asia markets are taking off. I have a personal acquaintance who spend three years in China building a factory to sell stuff in China, not to build and ship to the USA, but to keep it there.
@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
3 Dec 11
You cannot shop all your work overseas and not get punished for it. I think that is what is wrong with America apart with giving loans and mortgages to people who should ot have gotten them in the first place. The trouble with exporting work to undeveloped nations is that they are not allowed to develop themselves. Before the only way they got developed was that they started to make their own goods, sell them, and the richer countries would buy them. The only help they got was to show them, for e.g. how to start a weaving business and that was that. What is happening is that America is going down business like and the poorer nations are ascending.
@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
4 Dec 11
I figure these countries feel much better for themselves if they do much of the work themselves. I can see bringing Americans over as advisers, but not to let the United States and other wealthier countries just to put money into these poorer countries else what will happen is that it will result in making America poorer and the other countries wealthier. WAter does work so they could that to manufacture electirity.
@gitfiddleplayer (10362)
• United States
29 Nov 11
The problem is that America has not invested in itself for a long time. We buy everything overseas, cars, goods, even services (i.g. computer support) and now we are trying to take those industries back, well, the corporate tax is so high here and the regulations are so tight that most companies go overseas because they can sell their product and make more money. The US government is the problem and always will be. Its not about just creating a homegrown product, its competing on a global scale.
@Fatcat44 (1141)
• United States
30 Nov 11
Most of America is foreign owned. Ten years ago, corporations were making money, Europe and Asia was not, so the invested in the US. Now with them not making money have have a prime location of China and India which has over 3 billion people combines, the are after that market, and not the 300 million people in the US.
@liuyh0619 (108)
• China
1 Dec 11
it's very reasonasble for the company to pursue the maximization of profit.
In devloping country, There are cheaper labor and resource, especially huge market, that's the result of globalization. American export almost everything from oversea, because it's very low than made in US. And now try to take those industries back, the cost of living will increase a lot.
@crossbones27 (49703)
• Mojave, California
29 Nov 11
I don't know if it has much to do with taxes as it does that they can get cheaper labor. After all the taxes are lowest since the 50's and there is so many loop holes for these corporations. I think it is just another way they have figured out how to manipulate the system in their favor. Don't get me wrong some out sourcing is good but not when your own country is hurting. Besides give it another 20 to 40 years and these countries will be experiencing what we are right now. When the workers over seas start demanding raises and paid vacations. That is assuming we survive that long. I guess that is the new way to do business just go where its the cheapest and where you kind find the cheapest labor. That is why I say the best way to do things is work for yourself.
@Fatcat44 (1141)
• United States
29 Nov 11
crossbones, I guess I did not explain it well enough. These countries are building their infrastructure. These jobs and products they manufacture are for their own consumption and building of their nation. China is import a lot of products, i.e. cement, iron and other essential. China has started partnering with the large corporations that manufacture these essentials and are building plants, in partnership with China, in order build the country up.
These corporations are not going there for the cheap labor to make goods to export, but to sell the goods there. There are over 1.7 billion Chinese, only 300 million Americans. Ah, there is about 6 times as many Chinese to sell to than Americans. And everyone wants to be part of these markets.
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@crossbones27 (49703)
• Mojave, California
29 Nov 11
There may be 6 times more Chinese than Americans but your average Chinese get paid a heck of a lot less. I still think they are their for slave labor. They can make their products extremely cheap there and then send the products back over hear and make a killing. While Americans try to figure out a way to pay off their mortgages, and school loans.
@jtj_hello (627)
• Philippines
30 Nov 11
I think it the debt that your country has and the trust of other nations over your economy. In pout conutry, the economy slows down because our government is to tight in spending. NO new projects and no new things had been proposed in the last quarter of this year that is why this quarters growth is the lowest in the past 4 quarters.