The controversial "chip" discussion. We chip our dogs why not our kids?

The microchips that they insert into pets are intended to remain in place and last for 15-20 years, and they are not tracking chips. I AM NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE PUT LOW JACK ON OR IN OUR KIDS LIKE WE DO OUR CARS. As for the quick cut of a knife, that depends on where you implant the chip, and that is messier than many people are willing to get to stymie the identification of a victim. The kind of chips that they install in pets are safe, don't cause cancer, can be removed or replaced, but they are inert, they won't tell you where the dog is, but if your dog is hit by a car and someone takes em to a vet the vet can scan the chip and it gives them the owner's information so owner and pet can be reunited instead of just sending the animal to the pound or adopting them out to some other family. Even people who don't chip their pets, put collars and tags on them with their name and phone number just in case they are somehow separated from their pet. Go to any mall or grocery store and look at how casually people will leave their children untended in a cart for a moment or two, or when they are stowing bags in their car and they put the child in a car seat and leave door wide open and they are several feet away with no line of site on their kid. What about bigger kids who are walking and may be talking, they get away from their parents all the time, sometimes for a minute, sometimes for longer. Acquiring someone else's child is not all that difficult if one was of a mind to do so,and what people who are of such a mind intend to do with the child once they have them is normally pretty disturbing. But all that said, if God forbid your child ever disappeared and was found alive somewhere, wouldn't you want them back? Wouldn't you want to know the minute they were found instead of having them dumped in the foster care system for weeks, months, or even years while they figure out who the kid is and where they belong?

Everyone has to take their eyes off of their children at some point. Children are swiped, molested, sold, and killed by the hundreds if not thousands every year. As you may notice in my discussion I recommended having the tattoo or chip removed once they are adults. Some adjustments or improvements may be neccessary and and as for concentration camps, the whole damn country is a concentration camp, we are not removing anyone from their homes or plotting the genocide of all of the children or anything like that so don't be ridiculous. Aside from the fact that they didn't tattoo anything like a social security number or anything that acknowledged the Jews humanity or place within society on concentration camp victims, they bar coded them like cans of peas or a bag of beans at the grocery store. Let me ask you this. Isn't the safe return of your child if they were taken more important than the safe return of your dog?

No, the return of my child is not more important that the return of my dog, but I wouldn't put a chip in my dog either. A tattoo or chip could be removed when they are adults, but it would leave a scar and cause some pain. No, as I said, children are not property and I don't think they should be treated as such. These things could also cause some complications, especially if the child is allergic, and allergies could be developed later with the chip. Yes, children are taken, but if it isn't immediately noticed, which other than the few cases like the one you mentioned, then the tattoo or chip could be removed, but I doubt that a kidnapper is going to use a very safe process in this.

Strangely enough three of the shows that I realy really like Law and Order SVU, Prime Suspect, and Bones, and which I watch religiously(using Hulu online I never miss an episode though sometimes I have to play catchup on the last 2-5 episodes at one time) all had shows that dealt with this precise issue in the time span since I began this discussion. In each show, like this discussion, there are supporters, detractors, devils advocates, and far left wing conservatives, all with a personal agenda and set of ideas vs ideals. Two of the three agree that the place for such a chip would be in the skull (impossible to remove or even attempt the removal by a layman regardless of what they think they know) Furthermore the medical establishment has developed hundreds of hypo allergenic or courses of treatment for hundreds if not thousands of implants and inserts, replacements, and even hardware that is specifically created to be placed as painlessly and efficiently as possible within the human body. I have a friend who dropped on the tennis courts a few years back in a full on miocardial infarction. Well our tennis court has defibrolation machines hung between each set of four courts and numerous members who are doctors, in addition to having one on staff. They brought him back, got his heart beating again, and by the time the ambulance arrived to take him to the hospital he was even concious and talking (I'll admit he wasn't saying "c'mon lets finish the game I feel great!" at that point but just alive was a HUGE improvement over both the alternative and the state he was in five minutes b4)After consultation and all that his cardiologist decided to go with angioplasty, one cardiac medication and a blood thinner and (the whole point of the story) the installation of a then newly available portable defibrilator which was surgically implanted in his right shoulder and wired directly to the nerve centers in his heart.) the one thing that established him as a cabdidate for such a machine? The fact that life for him was not worth living if he couldn't play tennis 6 mornings a week, regardless the weather. The box is visible both with his shirt on and with it off, it has a distinctive shape that is both kinda creepy and which is very clearly extemporanious to the original design of the human body. My point is when his body failed him and despite all his dilligence and his very healthy lifestyle, despite those things, the worst actually happened. One day just like any other of a thousand previous days, the unthinkable actually occurred. Though the solution that was implemented was in multiple ways undesirable and radical, it was the only choice that made sense among his alternatives, to both him and his doctor. It's been 7 years and he is still playing tennis 6 mornings a week at the age of 82 years young and he swears he is only alive today due to the miracle machine bulging in his shoulder. The only solution given all of the variables, the issue at hand, the risks involved and the single outcome that is acceptable to the concerned parties may not be the prettiest, easy, or the most one size fits every instance of the problem type of solution. We could go back and forth endlessly stating our premises and the supports for them and neither of us may ever change our position enough to be said to be in the other's camp. Here is my bottom line, both your perspective and mine have their merits and their detractions. We all believe strongly that we are right for whatever reasons. At the end of the day we both agree 1. There is a problem with the way that we handle seeking out, locating and returning the thousands of people who are the victims of abductions or whose disappearances are never solved, the solution is never brought to the families, and the often never get closure under the non system in place now. 2. There has to be a way to deter predators that makes it all but impossible for them not to be caught, and once caught no way that they will not be convicted. I have to say in a world where there is such a problem and despite whatever we have previously done or are doing to reduce abductions and disappearances. THE SYSTEM IS A PRETY DISMAL FAILURE WITH A LESS THAN 40% RATE, of successful outcomes or investigations that produce the abductee or at least their bodies. The sit back and do nothing solution you are so strongly supporting,in the face of the problem, in my opinion is criminally ridiculous.

A geo locator chip for voluntary use is a good idea, for people who have been swiped or have been incapacitated in an accident it is all about locating them and locating their next of kin to notify them. If you were swiped wouldn't you wish that someone knew exactly where you were? Because if they could locate their loved one most people would stop at absolutely nothing to come for them, wherever they were. It could be left inert unless you disappeared and the information could not be accessible to just anyone. Chipping criminals, parolees, and people on house arrest wouldn't be a half bad idea either.