Why should a Catholic always be defensive ?
By iuliuxd
@iuliuxd (4453)
Romania
December 22, 2011 3:06pm CST
First let me tell you i am not a catholic.I was born on an eastern orthodox country so i was baptized orthodox but i am not a practicing orthodox.I believe we have been created and i am interested in religion but i am not interested to preach "the truth ",since i am not a good christian that will make me a hypocrite.
But since i joined mylot i see a lot of attacks against the catholic church.They all come from protestant and neoprotestant churches and they are a lot,probably there are more than 1000 churches today invented by people who thought they have found "the truth" inside the bible.And they all are telling you that Catholic church has dogmas against to the bible.
Ok so let`s assume these people are right and the Catholic church has dogma against the bible.How about them and their churches ?
Who invented your church and why ? We see Jesus telling the apostles :"And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven" and "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,"teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age."
So where did your church came from ? Did Jesus said "Ok apostles now go and play about Christians for a while because i will invent my church 1500 years later " ? Or 1800 years later ? How about you first find anything in the bible that proves your church has the right to exist and then you come and attack the Catholics.I mean anything ,any proof that someone outside the apostolic church has received any command from Jesus or the Holy Spirit to preach the Gospel.A small proof that anyone outside the apostolic church has received the right to be a priest or to baptize people in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Then after you find some evidences and you prove your church has any base on what is written in the bible you can attack the catholic church.Until then they have the "keys to the kingdom of heaven".
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@bostonphil (4459)
• United States
23 Dec 11
I do not recall seeing any attacks against The Catholic Church on mylot. I do not remember any criticisms about The Catholic Church on mylot.
I have seen many criticisms of The Catholic Church from other places and from other people. I think that a lot of complaints and criticisms have to do with the abuse by priests but worse the cover ups.
Some of the criticisms and complaints also have to do with the teachings of The Catholic Church. Many people do not agree nor like the teachings and message of The Catholic Church.
But that is also true of other religions. Every religion has its critics and its haters. Every religion has its strengths and weaknesses.
@iuliuxd (4453)
• Romania
23 Dec 11
Bostonphil you can read more in the religion topics and you will see a lot of attacks.
I don`t want to talk about these attacks now.Let`s say they are all true.But if i`m an orthodox and i attack the catholic church,does this makes my church to be "true " ?
I see people saying : "The catholic church has lost the holy spirit ".You can see people here claiming that and you can see churches in real life claiming that.People are saying" i believe only what is written in the bible".So ok let`s believe only what is written in the bible.How did all these churches appeared ? Do they have any base on the bible ? Can you find in the bible one single word Jesus told us about new churches outside the old apostolic church ? Can you find one single person who starts to preach about Jesus outside the church ? They all claim the Holy Spirit came to someone and he discovered "the truth " and you can see "the fruits " of holy spirit and all that bs.
Where do you find that in the bible ? I read Jesus commanded the apostles to build his church and the church will last forever.I read the apostles had the right to baptize people and to make priests or elders or presbyters.There is no one outside the church who starts to preach.Paul gets the revelation and then Ananias puts his hands on him to give him the Holy Spirit.And he baptized Paul.
So before saying the catholic church is wrong because it has teachings outside the bible how about looking at our own church and see if it has any base on what is written inside the bible.
@bostonphil (4459)
• United States
23 Dec 11
I agree that people should look at themselves first or their own religion first. All religions could use some improvement. There have been bad and corrupt people in every religion.
Religion is one of my favorite interests. I like all religions and I study them but they all have flaws. I do not believe that any religion is the "true" religion. Who is to say that their religion is better than another religion?
I think that you will find that any haters of a religion were possibly once members of the religion.
A couple of years back, there was a series on TV having to do with the History of Christianity. I can not remember the station but it was very well done and it was fascinating. I learned so much.
I think that Jesus would feel very sad that so many Christians argue and fight in his name.
@iuliuxd (4453)
• Romania
23 Dec 11
Every one thinks his church is the right one it will be a nonsense to be a catholic and to think the orthodox church is the right one or to be a protestant and to think the catholic church is the right one.We are told that,if you go to church they will tell you they are the right church and all the others are wrong.The Orthodox think the Catholics are wrong because they separated from us in 1054 and the Catholics think the Orthodox are wrong and they have separated from them in 1054.
The problem is when you talk about these things.There are things all christians agree and there are things not all of them agree.So one starts to talk and he will say "Oh the cross ...the cross has been added by the catholic church,we should use another symbol for christians like the lamb or whatever." So suddenly the catholics are "heretics " and the christians should use another symbol.Then you start to talk with him and tell him the first christians have used the cross to identify themselves and maybe the catholics are not wrong.So they will start to attack you "where is that written in the bible"? How about praying to saints or icons ? etc.So the catholic or the orthodox should defend himself all the time and prove only with the bible all these things.But no one asks the protestant that simple thing : "Where it is written in the bible that someone else (a prophet or whatever ) will come after the apostles to build the "true church " ? 
@flowerchilde (12529)
• United States
18 Nov 12
I know this is an old discussion, but couldn't resist! To me Christianity is the New Testament. One of the things I plan to one day study more is the denominations and separations, how they came about etc. But it's not top on my list. Personally, when becoming a believer 33 years ago, I tried a couple, few churches for a short while and then branched out on my own, in that I simply read, study and observe for myself, without human leadership. Yes, many folks would tell me I am back slidden. I don't care. When life slows down a bit, I may start going to a church, preferably a countryside, New Testament based one.
- Jesus gave the keys to the kingdom to Peter, and Peter opened the gospel both in Jerusalem with his speaking on Pentecost (Acts 2) when the Holy Spirit was "poured out" which was a new beginning and the birth of the 'church' which is the body of believers, every true adherent from any denomination. Peter also ws the first to present the gospel to gentile folks, and the Holy Spirit was poured out upon these non Jewish believers also (Acts 10:44,45). Both times, the 'door' opened via Peter.
- I have Catholicism in my family roots.. I like how women and family is more included in their presentations and Bible stories. I have nothing whatsoever against Catholic folks, the Pope, nor the Catholic Church, Roman and otherwise. However, it's not until the 4th century that the Roman church began to claim a higher status and Peter. It's my belief Peter, as well as all Biblical folk, are in every believer's roots and foundation and can be claimed as such. There's really not a Bible basis for a Pope-a global Catholic leader called "father", and not for directing any prayers to humans who, incidentally, are resting in their graves until the return of Christ.
- Jesus gave to 'the church' the body of New Testament believers, a "new commandment" - "to love one another" ["love works no ill"]. People like to add this and that observance, but let's face it, after 2000 years of being handed down through human hands, and being made up of humans, the gospel has surely lost some of the glory of its message, and has surely picked up some baggage along the way.. including division(s)/party sects(Galatians 5:19-21). Does this change one jot or tittle of the New Testament? That extremely slim volume of works? Nope, not a bit. Have a nice day!
To me Christianity is the New Testament. One of the things I plan to one day study more is the denominations and separations, how they came about etc. But it's not top on my list. Personally, when becoming a believer 33 years ago, I tried a couple, few churches for a short while and then branched out on my own, in that I simply read, study and observe for myself, without human leadership. Yes, many folks would tell me I am back slidden. I don't care. When life slows down a bit, I may start going to a church, preferably a countryside, New Testament based one.
- Jesus gave the keys to the kingdom to Peter, and Peter opened the gospel both in Jerusalem with his speaking on Pentecost (Acts 2) when the Holy Spirit was "poured out" which was a new beginning and the birth of the 'church' which is the body of believers, every true adherent from any denomination. Peter also ws the first to present the gospel to gentile folks, and the Holy Spirit was poured out upon these non Jewish believers also (Acts 10:44,45). Both times, the 'door' opened via Peter.
- I have Catholicism in my family roots.. I like how women and family is more included in their presentations and Bible stories. I have nothing whatsoever against Catholic folks, the Pope, nor the Catholic Church, Roman and otherwise. However, it's not until the 4th century that the Roman church began to claim a higher status and Peter. It's my belief Peter, as well as all Biblical folk, are in every believer's roots and foundation and can be claimed as such. There's really not a Bible basis for a Pope-a global Catholic leader called "father", and not for directing any prayers to humans who, incidentally, are resting in their graves until the return of Christ.
- Jesus gave to 'the church' the body of New Testament believers, a "new commandment" - "to love one another" ["love works no ill"]. People like to add this and that observance, but let's face it, after 2000 years of being handed down through human hands, and being made up of humans, the gospel has surely lost some of the glory of its message, and has surely picked up some baggage along the way.. including division(s)/party sects(Galatians 5:19-21). Does this change one jot or tittle of the New Testament? That extremely slim volume of works? Nope, not a bit. Have a nice day!
@GLOBALSHEEN (1005)
• India
9 Feb 12
It is on the same Pillars of Peter the other churches are also formed. When those who on any church drifts away from what Bible speaks, should we follow those people ? Peter kept telling to follow Christ in the first century church. Peter never baptized any child, he never asked people to follow him. He asked people to follow Christ. When people over a time have forgotten what Peter said or Jesus said, others are focusing again to Bible and identifying the differences. Following Christ takes you to the Goal what Bible says, but not following any group or church. Lord said " Follow me". He did not say to follow Peter or Mother Mary or any church. Peter did not Bowed before any idols, he did not advise anybody to kiss the idol of Mother Mary.
