Why Do We Get Conned?

@Janey1966 (24170)
Carlisle, England
January 21, 2012 5:56pm CST
Remember when I banged on about how wonderful our new Samsung LED backlit LCD 32" TV was a couple of months ago? Well, I've gone off it. Why? Because we've been conned, that's why. We've been conned into picking a 200 Hz television and I only found out recently that ALL broadcasts are in 50 Hz. So why bother bringing out 200 Hz televisions? What's the point? Another issue I have is the Motion Blur. The picture itself (colour, etc) is wonderful BUT motion is blurred, usually when someone moves quickly. Ironically, it doesn't happen in sport so much but in dramas. I watched something earlier and the motion problem gave me a headache and spoiled my enjoyment of the programme. We have tried tweaking the Motion Plus settings (even to Off at one point) but nothing we do totally alleviates the problem. I've been back and forth on the Samsung website and, on the whole, they have been supportive. I was told to change the DNF (Digital Noise Filter) to the Off setting and there has been an improvement but it's still not perfect, and for a TV like this I EXPECT it to be perfect. Even our Sky+ HD box hasn't really helped. It doesn't matter if the picture is in SD or HD, or Freeview the motion problem remains. Like I said earlier, it has been suggested on forums (where people are NOT happy) that the 200 Hz isn't necessary and I'm inclined to agree with them. After all, my Mum's Sony LCD is HD Ready and is currently watched in Standard Definition through her Sky+ box and THAT picture is a damn site better than ours, in my opinion. We can't take the set back to Comet because ALL these LED backlit televisions have the same problem by the looks of it so a replacement will just be as bad. I guess we shall have to wait until programmes are broadcast in 200 Hz!
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@LaDeBoheme (2004)
• United States
22 Jan 12
Hmm... I still have the old-type behemoth TVs. They still work so I have seen no need to upgrade to a newer, more expensive, higher tech TV yet, which suits me fine since I never sit down specifically to watch TV unless I am on my recumbent bike. The TV is mostly on for background noise anyway; I pay little attention to the clarity of the picture or if I can count the blades of grass or pores in one's face. But before I DO buy or even shop for a major appliance, I always do the research first. I have been a subscriber of Consumer Reports for many years and they are my #1 source. I check online resources and customer reviews too, so I basically know what I want, the specs I need, and the salesperson is not going to convince me otherwise.
@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
22 Jan 12
Don't get me wrong, we did LOADS of research before acquiring this telly. I'd read lots of reports at how poor the Sonys were but they're still being made so they can' be that bad. Both my parents have a Sony TV and my in-laws have a Panasonic, so why we went with a Samsung I really don't know. The price may have been a factor as it was the in-laws who bought it as an early Christmas present, so I didn't want to go OTT.
@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
23 Jan 12
I agree. Even techno-geeks are becoming a bit skeptical about LED in particular and are wondering why it's been shoved onto the market even though practically every LED (backlit) television has some problem or other. Anyway, I've been onto a very good forum and have tweaked the Motion Plus settings in Custom Mode (something I didn't have a clue what to do with before) and it's taken me about an hour to get the brightness, etc, just right too, otherwise the blacks can become another problem. I wanted a happy medium between a fairly bright picture and naturalness, something that is extremely difficult to achieve with these televisions. Fingers crossed, I think I've mastered it. Hoorah!
• United States
22 Jan 12
Oh yeah, price is always the biggest factor and it was a gift and unfortunately, 'gifts' aren't always exactly what we ourselves would have gone with. I have a friend who gave me an older digital TV just to get rid of it. I didn't really want it, but he insisted it was better than the older one I had (which, BTW, I was quite happy with my old one). Holy crap! Now I had to adjust resolution, picture size, and no channel was the same. Heads were cut off. Or people ballooned into chubbos. Or I had 4" margins on either side of the picture. I could not find a happy medium. I HATED it! I am, by no means, against technology and changes, but when the 'new, improved' electronics stop making my life easier, as it is supposed to do, then I have a gripe.
@derek_a (10873)
22 Jan 12
Hi Jane, I had the same problem with a Samsung. It was the first "big" TV we bought. It looked so great in a piano black.. But the movement blur and sound was appalling. I took care of the sound by piping it through our music centre (remember those old big things? Well, we still hav it! it works well and it great stereo).. Anyway, I digress... Next thing, the picture froze on the Samsung and wouldn't unfreeze, so I called the engineer from Comet. He said that he couldn't fix it, and I would have to take it back and get another or refund because I had picked it up from Comet's myself and I had to take it back. Whilst in the store, the guy said, "oh another Samsung. We're getting a lot of these sets back".. This panicked me because it was 900 quid in those days, and I didn't want a load of trouble. I had also given away my old analogue Sony 26inch. That had been great for over 10 years! I noticed a Sony 32inch for 50 quid extra. I had always had Sony before and was very confident with them. The guy let me pick up the Sony for the extra 50... Wow! What a difference. OK, it didn't look so nice as the Samsung being in boring old matt black, but great sound and picture. That was 5+ years ago.. Touching wood... we never had a day's problem with it. Strange though, because I found out that Sony makes Samsung??? Or do they? If so why don't they apply the same quality controls? Weird..It may cost a little more, but it is Sony for me every time in future. You can invoke the "fit for purpose" law, and change your set.. I heard on a consumer program with Dom Littlewood that 12 months guarantee is crap. We can get service 6 years if something goes wrong without having to pay for the nose for those other extended guarantee thingies.. I never buy those anyway - it would be cheaper to have to pay for an engineer if something went wrong. I hope you can get something done about your set, but there's no harm in making some noise about it down at Comets.. _Derek
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@derek_a (10873)
23 Jan 12
I am sorry to hear that Janey.. I've been in that position myself in the past and it is very difficult. You could try and get your hubby to deal with it? I have always found Comet to be very reasonable and we always tend to buy stuff there. _Derek
@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
22 Jan 12
The problem we have is that I picked the television (on the Comet website) and the in-laws bought it for us. Now, the printout that you have to take to Comet when the set arrives..is with my FIL and there is NO WAY I want to involve him after the way his Mrs spoke to me the other day. I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place over this one. As for Sony's they're wonderful aren't they? My Dad's was made in Slovakia and our Samsung is as well so I reckon they probably ARE being made in the same factory. I wish we'd gone with a Sony now.
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@ElicBxn (63638)
• United States
22 Jan 12
Yep, you bit the "one day they will..." I guess... When they went all digital, they were pushing everyone to get digital or HD TVs. We picked up a TV for our new roommate and the cable company wanted to know if we wanted HD programing for it... why bother, she's not going to be LOOKING at it after all and HD is also pretty pointless for the roomie, her vision isn't that good either... and I don't care that much - in fact, I had the TV on today for the first time in weeks, except to look at the weather!
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@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
22 Jan 12
It's so frustrating (and I don't watch that much telly either) because I honestly think the LCD televisions are better than the LCD backlit ones and who started the latter off, I wonder because once one manufacturer does it, they all get on the bandwagon. Also, the screens have become jet-black and shiny with shiny surrounds. I couldn't actually sit where hubby sits because of glare, whereas it doesn't affect me where I sit, fortunately. Thank goodness my computer monitor is an LCD because I think LED is creeping into those as well!
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@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
22 Jan 12
Sorry, I meant LED backlit ones!
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• India
22 Jan 12
HI Janey Prof Rodrigue bought one too, she is facing similar problems, she calls the service center, they send a technician only, not of much help she says.. Thanks for sharing.. Best of luck. Professor
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@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
22 Jan 12
No doubt the electrical supplier will blame the people who supplied us with the Sky+ HD box, and vice versa.
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22 Jan 12
My Samsung is three years old now, and it too does some funny things. Something weird happens to the picture when it's dark in a room on TV. It looks a bit like when you view a laptop screen from the side. I'm not aware of motion-blur but I do get sick when the producers of modern programmes can't be bothered to buy a steadycam for their cameramen to use! I can remember when the old TV-tubes failed and the picture went green! Come to think of it, I can recall when the black and white pictures used to be very fuzzy and jump up and down!
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@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
22 Jan 12
Haha! When I was little my Dad was always acquiring second-hand black and white televisions and none of them were any good. I remember watching one with a picture about a couple of inches wide going across the middle of the screen. Aah, those were the days!
@drow1212 (169)
• United States
22 Jan 12
It the same reason they bring out bigger and bigger TV's sizes each year cause they can and its bigger then the next guy boils down to ego in a way.
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• United States
22 Jan 12
Ah... the ol' keeping-up-with-the-Joneses syndrome.
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@stephcjh (38473)
• United States
22 Jan 12
That sucks. I am not sure why they do things like this to people. It is very frustrating.
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@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
22 Jan 12
I'd go out of my mind if I didn't have this lovely LCD computer screen to look at. I can be in front of it for hours and it doesn't hurt my eyes. Personally, I think LED in general is crap. Even the LED traffic lights blind everybody whilst driving!
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
22 Jan 12
I don't think that it is the broadcast speed but the speed at which your TV interprets the picture. 200Mhz is so fast that it blurs, even in HD. No doubt things will improve in time and at least you will be ready for it.
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@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
22 Jan 12
So if programmes are (eventually) broadcast in 200 Hz what about the many households with 50 Hz sets? I never used to be so confused with technology. I can't afford the What Hi-Fi Sound and Vision magazines you see. I knew everything about everything when I subscribed to that, as it's so well-written and not full of techno-speak.
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@GreenMoo (11833)
22 Jan 12
I hae no idea about all the technical stuff, but I think I'd be having a good moan at Comet anyway. Whether all these TVs are the same or not, they still sold it to you as a good TV (and I expect they charged you accordingly ....!)
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@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
22 Jan 12
Well..the in-laws actually but it was a good Web Exclusive deal after days of finding one. That's why I'm so annoyed about being duped like this..and I'm not the only one, judging by comments in forums. Oh well, at least it's future-proof!
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@bounce58 (17385)
• Canada
24 Jan 12
I think this is like the HDMi cable for TV's. When you buy TV's here, they always suggest, that you get the HDMi cable for better viewing because it's not included with the TV. And yet, when you open the box, there's the regular red,white,yellow cable in the box, which works fine. Yes the HDMi cable might be better, but you could have saved that money if your fine with the regular cable. Conned!
@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
24 Jan 12
I've heard conflicting reports about HDMI cables. In actual fact our DVD and (dare I say it VCR) have SCARTS. Now, the cable the Sky Engineer had has SCART at the end (which we can alternate between the DVD Player and the VCR) and the other end has been converted to er..something else, in order for it to go into the telly..an RGB cable I think. Bet your brain hurts now..I know mine does!
@inertia4 (27960)
• United States
24 Jan 12
It could be a few things. One of them could actually be the satellite box. I have had trouble with one of mine and it turned out that the box was a refurbished box. Meaning it was not brand new. I had them replace the box and everything worked fine. Now as for the LED TV's, I think they are awesome sets. Remember, every broadcast is digital now and most of these TV's are probably 3D ready. Now what I would do is look into the the settings and see if you could find a way to change the hz setting to 50. If not, then maybe it is the box.
@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
24 Jan 12
From what I can gather the set upscales the 50 Hz to 100 Hz (not 200 as it's been marketed) and it is a great TV when it works properly. It does have an LED backlight and the ability to broadcast in 3D, so it's quite unique at the price-point to be able to do this. I shall give it a week or so and get onto Comet, see what they say. If I get nowhere with them I will ring Sky as it's their HD box we have. Funnily enough, I was watching BBC One on Freeview last night and there didn't seem to be a problem with the picture. This is built into the TV, in case you didn't know lol. Hmm, stuff to think about anyway..and thanks.
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@inertia4 (27960)
• United States
27 Jan 12
I have seen plenty of those LED sets and the pictures are awesome. I still have my Philips LCD TV that I bough about 3 years ago now. I love it and the picture is awesome. But I will eventually get one of those LED ones. Maybe the Apple television. LOL.
• China
22 Jan 12
It is really a bother to you.Spending so much on it ,it turns out to be so.Now that it is 50HZ ,why they said 200HZ,can't you have it out with them?In the eyes of me as a layman,the desigh of this sort of TV basically isn't scientific.
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@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
22 Jan 12
Confusingly, the Clear Motion on it makes it 200 Hz, from what I can gather in forums, but that isn't always on and the broadcasts are on 50 Hz. It tends to be gamers that like these new TVs but for the rest of us..well, I'm still thinking about it!
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