Demonic Possession and Exorcism
By bostonphil
@bostonphil (4459)
United States
January 26, 2012 2:29pm CST
I have just seen a movie titled "The Rite" about demonic possession and exorcism. The movie was fair - just so so but what held my interest is that it is supposedly based on a true story.
The young priest in the movie is now living in Chicago and has performed over 20 exorcisms. His mentor has performed thousands of exorcisms.
I do not know what to think about these subjects. I have my doubts. I think that it could be psychological or mass hysteria. I know that there are many others who believe differently.
What are your thoughts about demonic possession and exorcism? Anyone else see the movie "The Rite"?
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14 responses
@PointlessQuestions (15397)
• United States
27 Jan 12
I do believe there are demons and I believe they can possess if a person opens a door for them. I'm not a big believer in religion, but I am a believer in God, Christ, angels, and demons. I've seen too much in my lifetime to not believe.
I'm not sure if all the exorcisms are truly for demonic purposes. If the person believes he/she is possessed by a demon, an exorcism will have a placebo effect and the person may then be free. One can never know unless they too see the face or presence or evidence of a demon.
I remember being in a church service once and there was a person who felt she was possessed by a "devil" as she called it. The thing was, that at one point she seemed to change how she looked to those of us who were at the alter with her. Her face looked almost like it had scales on it for a few seconds and then she went back to herself.. then she started coughing and gagging when anointing oil was poured on her head. The pastor was exhausted, he had his bible laid upon her the whole time and we were all praying... when she began to cough, sputter and gag whatever was in her left, and she was free. She ran all around the church 7 times and came back to kneel at the alter and cry.
I believe she had a demon in her, but it could have been that we saw what our minds wanted us to see... yet we up there with her saw the same thing.
There were a lot of healings done through the power of belief in God in that church. I miss it, but I don't live near it anymore. I don't go to this type of church anymore... I got to more mainstream church services now. I don't see any of the miracles or strange things as this, but I do know that God is real and so is Satan and his minions.
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@bostonphil (4459)
• United States
27 Jan 12
I have read of a lot of controversy around Benny Hinn. I think that he is in some kind of trouble but I can not recall what. He sure is a good showman and entertainer.
The Pentecostal Church and Methodist Church are worlds apart -- like night and day. The Methodists I have known are very liberal. I know that Pentecostals are very conservative and fundamentalists. Did you know that a lot of great musicians like Elvis Presley and Jerry Lee Lewis come from backgrounds like or similar to Pentecostals.
There is a Pentecostal Church very close to me. And I sometime would like to make it to one of their services. I have heard that there is great music within the church service.
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@bostonphil (4459)
• United States
27 Jan 12
I do not believe in demonic possession but I am interested in all sorts of opinion. I respect everyone's opinion.
I have watched a pastor on TV do exorcisms. I think he lived in Dallas.His name was Bennie H. I can not remember his last name. Are you familiar with him and his church.
I think that there are other explanations to demonic possession and exorcism but I do not have any myself. Your response offers some other possibilities and explanations.
What type of church did you go to and what type do you go to now?
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@PointlessQuestions (15397)
• United States
27 Jan 12
I came from a Penecostal background but now I am mainstream Methodist. A whole different culture as far as churches go. I don't care for Benny Hinn. He's just showmanship. My former pastor has a disabled daughter. He took her to a crucade and they wouldn't let the daughter be brought up for healing. He just waves his hands and everyone falls down.
@cotruelove (1016)
• Denver, Colorado
2 Feb 12
I've not seen this movie, yet, but sooner or later I probably will. Many years ago, when I was doing some research on mental health, I ran across a book by M. Scott Peck (author of "The Road Less Traveled") called "People of the Lie." As a renowned psychiatrists, I believe he was probably qualified to determine the difference between mental illness and demonic possession. In the book, he says he attended an exorcism with skepticism, and found he was in error. Since I read his account and have no reason to believe he was a liar, I've taken a more open-minded view of the matter. I've met a lot of people who face challenges with their mental health daily, and I've met one who I believe is possessed by something, whether it be a past life, ghost or demon, I'm not going back to deal with the person and subject myself to their abusiveness when they seem possessed. Thanks for the discussion.
@cotruelove (1016)
• Denver, Colorado
8 Feb 12
I found the book "People of the Lie" extremely interesting in the field of mental health. I've read both books and the first one is basically an examination and journey into spirituality. I think having read a lot of your comments and discussions, you would really enjoy the book, and in fact, probably both books. Like many books I've read as a layman in mental health, I still tend to take what I want and leave the rest. But his books are pretty easily understood. Thanks for adding me as a friend!
@bostonphil (4459)
• United States
2 Feb 12
Thank you for your information. I am going to do a search on the information that you have shared with me. I am a skeptic when it comes to demonic possession but I also am open minded.
I have, of course, heard of the book "The Road Less Traveled" as it was very popular. I believe that I looked it over but did not read it. I thought that it was a religious book and that the author was a clergyman. I want to look into this further.
@urbandekay (18278)
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26 Jan 12
Yes, I liked this film and it is intriguing to think it is based on a true story.
I am not sure that psychological explanations are any more believable
all the best urban
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@bostonphil (4459)
• United States
27 Jan 12
I am a skeptic when it comes to demonic possession. Maybe that is why I watched the movie from beginning to end. I did not become a believer watching the movie.
I think that mass hysteria could be an explanation,
@bostonphil (4459)
• United States
28 Jan 12
To add more. I am doing a little research on the movie. The movie is based on a novel. And the novel is inspired by a true story. The movie is fiction after all.
@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
4 Feb 12
They do, but mostly in less scientifically advanced societies. I'm sure tons of tribal communities still do it. The Catholic church is on the books for still doing it, but these days they go through a rigorous review period in order to rule out mental problems and attention seeking. Failed exorcisms give them horrible press.
@bostonphil (4459)
• United States
1 Feb 12
Actually, I may be wrong but I think that exorcisms do take place in today's world. I think that The Catholic Church and some other groups still perform exorcisms.
However, I agree with your viewpoint that persons believed to be possessed may actually be suffering from a mental or psychological illness. It also could have something to do with needing attention.
I guess the exorcist could be a sort of psychiatrist for those who are "possessed".
@bostonphil (4459)
• United States
28 Jan 12
You are right. It is sometimes called brainwashing but other times it is known as psychological manipulation. Indoctrination is another word for the same thing.
The movie itself is not very good but the subject is interesting. Since it is supposedly based on a true story, it grabbed my fancy.
@bostonphil (4459)
• United States
28 Jan 12
Well, I went and did some research. The movie was based on a novel and the novel was inspired by a true story. The movie itself is not based on fact. The priests in the movie do not exist. They are not real people.
I do not know if I just misunderstood or was fooled. Was the movie deceiving?
@iuliuxd (4453)
• Romania
26 Jan 12
Well if you believe in the Christian God then you will also believe in demonic possession since it is described in the bible.If you don`t believe in Christian God then you can`t really believe in devil either.You will think these people have mental problems.
There are other religions where demonic possession is accepted.I don`t know too many things about this but i think demonic possession is also possible in Islam.
I don`t know too many things about exorcism.From what we read in the bible Jesus and then the apostles had so much power than all they need was to command the demon to leave the body (the apostles in the name of Jesus ).Then the church used special prayers for that.For example here in the Orthodox world there are 3 prayers of exorcism made by Basil the Great and 4 prayers made by John Chrysostom in the 4th century.
There is also exorcism on baptism.There the person who is baptized ( or the godfather if it`s a small kid ) is asked ""Do you renounce Satan, and all his angels, and all his works, and all his services. and all his pride?"
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@bostonphil (4459)
• United States
27 Jan 12
Thank you for your information. I am not a Christian and I do not believe in demonic possession. But I find the topic interesting. I found the movie interesting but somewhat unbelievable. However, the reviews said that it was based on fact or truth.
@iuliuxd (4453)
• Romania
27 Jan 12
I remember i watched a documentary on Discovery channel,there was a series called "A haunting".And there was this episode called Demon child. Now that was scary.You can watch it on Youtube,maybe that will change your opinion about devils.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cx1Wc70JgPA
@LittleMel (8742)
• Canada
27 Jan 12
seen some movies about it but not the Rite
I don't have religion anymore so my take on this is that demons are real
but possessed by demons is something I am not too sure about
it's interesting post anyway !
@bostonphil (4459)
• United States
27 Jan 12
I am a skeptic when it comes to demonic possession. I believe that there are other explanations.
I agree that there is evil out there. Thanks for the compliment.
@ShawnBoB (215)
• United States
27 Jan 12
Now while I have not seen this particular movie, I have seen others. I kind of feel that it is possible for one to be possessed, but in some ways they must open there-self to be able to be possessed by demonic beings. I'm going to check out this movie as soon as possible.
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@bostonphil (4459)
• United States
27 Jan 12
I would love for you to check out the movie and let me know what you think.
Supposedly the two priests in the movie are living and breathing souls. This is supposed to be a movie based on truth but I don't know about this.
I think there is more to it. it is possible that the persons who felt possessed were mentally ill and the exorcist worked for them like a psychiatrist or psychologist works for other.
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
31 Jan 12
I've never seen the movie that you are talking about, but I do believe that it is possible for a person to be possessed by a demonic being. I really can't explain why I think that this is possible, but it is something that I do believe in.
Perhaps a big part of the reason that I think this is possible is because of the fact that I do believe in ghosts and I've actually been in buildings that were haunted, and that is the logical progression that a spirit possess a person.
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@bostonphil (4459)
• United States
1 Feb 12
I have heard about haunted building and ghosts. There are TV programs such as Ghost Hunters that investigate hauntings.
I have no opinion one way or the other about demonic possession. I lean towards skepticism.
@kukueye (1759)
• Malaysia
27 Jan 12
YEs in my culture also there are instant where witch will poison the target end up vomitting blood and needles and nails, i personally not seen it , but hear about it and some photos too.I think this the world of supernatural are wise and sometime people are just plain unlucky to get involve with . I guess don involve in something that is bad properly in the first place they are playing with fire and later get burn.
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@bostonphil (4459)
• United States
27 Jan 12
That is strange. I have heard such stories but do not completely believe them. I think there is more to it.
It is always good to stay away from that which is bad for fear of being pulled in. There is something said about playing with fire.
@bostonphil (4459)
• United States
27 Jan 12
Yeah, I am or was impressed with it being based on a true story. But maybe I should take it with a pinch of salt.
Thanks for the tidbit that pinch of salt is based on fending off the devil.
I am not a believer of demonic possession.
@deodavid (4150)
• Philippines
27 Jan 12
Hey Boston phil,
Hello there how's it going, I havent seen the movie yet but i have seen it's trailer and I think it is very interesting, in my country it would be stuid not to belive in those kinds of stuff because it happens a lot in different towns around my metro and even visitors from urban areas that are of social class tends to be infiltrated by elements all of a sudden and as a child ive experienced it so for me this is real, possesion is true but never have i encountered real demon posession only elements like dwarves and witches.
@bostonphil (4459)
• United States
27 Jan 12
I have heard of Psychic Surgeons operating in The Philippines. Have you ever known any Psychic Surgeons or know persons who went to these persons.
I have never seen demons, fairies, spirits, angels, etc. I have known witches but they are everyday people who practice Wicca.
The movie was interesting but not very good. It's so so as a movie.
@tatzkie23 (770)
• Philippines
27 Jan 12
I've watched some exorcism movies, I've also watched "the rite". They said it was based on true stories. But i'm not sure if it's really true or not. As you said, it might be some sort of psychological or mass hysteria. In the old days, they thought people are possessed by some evil or something, but if you're going to study that person, they'll diagnosed him with some psychological problem. Like having some
delusion and illusion.
In our place, there are also people who once were possessed by spirits. I don't if it true. But that was scary. They said that they did something wrong with the spirits that's why they the spirit is punishing them. But true or not, i think we should gave respect to the lost souls.
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@bostonphil (4459)
• United States
27 Jan 12
I also wonder when they tell us that it was based on a true story. Do you think that we were lied to or did they just stretch the truth? What does it mean "based on a true story"?
I am a skeptic when it comes to demonic possession and exorcism. I believe that there are other explanations such as forms of mental illness. The exorcist might work just like a psychiatrist or psychologist.
I feel for anyone who suffers whether physically or psychologically.
@rubbershot (173)
• Kenya
27 Jan 12
I have watched 'The Rite' and i must say that what you saw is real. I have witnessed a an evil spirit speak through the person it has possessed. Some religious leaders have the power to exorcise these spirits.
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@bostonphil (4459)
• United States
27 Jan 12
Tell me more. When and where did you see this?
Could it be that the person was suffering from a mental illness? And it was the person speaking in a different or strange voice?
The person may have believed that the religious leader could help and thus did help.