Should people with mental illness be required to disclose it to their employer?
By Oneironaut
@_sketch_ (5742)
United States
January 28, 2012 9:17am CST
What do you think? Should an employee have to tell their boss that they have a mental illness? Do you think it depends on the circumstance? Does it depend on the particular illness or the severity? What if they are on medication and/or seeking therapy? What if they are not? Does it depend on the job? What benefits would there be if disclosure was required? Any negative consequences with disclosure?
Feel free to share any personal experiences you may have had with mental illness and work, involving yourself or someone else; Any cases of mental illness effecting work that you may have heard of, etc.
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18 responses
@2004cqui (2812)
• United States
29 Feb 12
There is no law saying any physical condition has to be reported to a company. Right to privacy issues will be compromised. I once overheard the HR manager of my company say "bipolar people are just lazy whiners". I've heard supervisors and work directors complain about the "abuse" of FMLA. Also you'll read all over the place about companies gossiping about employees. For example: you use your credit card to pay for your psychiatric bills. The company does a credit history on you before you're hired. People, by nature can't help themselves but to talk "out of school. Right to privacy goes down the same path as diversity and fair labor law. Anyone believing that is enforced is kidding themselves!
@2004cqui (2812)
• United States
29 Feb 12
The purpose of my saying there is no law saying we have to indicates the majority of citizens believe it should not be reported to an employer. So the question is already answered. But my inclusion that there are other ways to find out this information was to point out there is no guarantee that people won't find out. And 60% of employers in this country hire 95% of the employees.
@celticeagle (166761)
• Boise, Idaho
30 Jan 12
I think this is the same as if they have a record. They should but alot of times they don't. I personally don't think it should be any of their business. I had chronic depression and it got worse with trouble in the family that came to a head at one point. I had good medical insurance was able to take time off from work and get the help I needed.
@celticeagle (166761)
• Boise, Idaho
6 Feb 12
This is really a hard one. Employers don't really care to hear your life story. You are there to work. So what are you to do? Write an epic on why, when, where, etc.
@_sketch_ (5742)
• United States
5 Feb 12
They probably should, but a lot of times people don't tell their employer about such things because they know about the stigma surrounding both mental illness and criminal records. It can have a major effect socially, and it could jeopardize their job or prevent career advancement. It's a tricky situation for sure.
You are lucky that you had good insurance. That can make a big difference.
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@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
28 Jan 12
No, not unless it will have a direct effect on your performance.
You do not have to tell your employer if you have high blood pressure, are a diabetic, etc. and if it ILLEGAL for them to ask that information in a job interview.
Of course, if you are subject to seizures and your job might require you to use heavy equipment, you should advise your employer to determine if you are physically able to do the job or not and whether or not an accomodation can be made for your illness.
The same is true of a mental disorder that will affect your job. An example would be OCD that requires you to do a task over and over; if this will affect your ability to do your job you should tell the employer up front to determine whether allowances/accomodations can be made or not for the position. Otherwise, it is none of their business whether you have a mental illness, are on medication (unless you are unable to perform certain tasks while taking the medication) or are in therapy.
@_sketch_ (5742)
• United States
5 Feb 12
I liked your comparison with other physical problems. The stigma surrounding mental illness roots from the idea that mental illnesses are different and separate from physical diseases. Mental illness is indeed physical since the brain is, of course, physical.
The interesting thing about seizures is that it is actually one of the more accepted mental illnesses. I'd be willing to wager that there are people who do not even consider epilepsy to be a mental illness. It's kind of thrown into a separate category. Whoops, straying from the topic.
@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
6 Feb 12
Since seizures start in the brain that makes it "mental" in my book.
We have a lady where I work who has both seizures and depression. The depression does not interfere with her ability to do her job - so, she did not tell her employer that she takes medication for it. No need and none of their business.
A seizure could interfere with her ability to do her job for a period of time so she did disclose that. To accommodate her problem, they gave her permission to leave her desk at any time if she feels a seizure getting ready to "come on" (she usually has a few minutes warning and can leave her desk and take extra seizure medication to stop them from happening) and they posted educational sheets advising the rest of us what to do if ANYONE has a seizure.
@urbandekay (18278)
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29 Jan 12
Yes, if and only if their role in that job, required a particular level of responsibility for themselves, others or some kinds of property. The exact conditions are a matter of judgement.
I had a friend with OCD and his employers like the benefit they gained from him always tidying up the yard
all the best urban
@urbandekay (18278)
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6 Feb 12
Yes, all jobs require a degree of responsibility and quite where the level of responsibility is, that requires admission of such, is a matter of judgement
all the best urban
@_sketch_ (5742)
• United States
5 Feb 12
What do you mean by "particular level of responsibility for themselves?" All jobs are going to require some level of responsibility.
@veejay19 (3589)
• India
29 Jan 12
First of all a person suffering from any type of mental illness will not look for a job because he will not have the capacity to work anywhere.His work will be erratic and he will have violent mood swings which will interfere with his work.Even if he tries to hide it from his employers he will not be able to do so.Its better that he first takes treatment for it and looks for work only when he is confident that he will be able to do so,otherwise if he is found out then he will not be recommended for any job by his employer.
@Galena (9110)
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29 Jan 12
and this kind of attitude is exactly why no one should be forced to disclose a mental illness.
these kind of assumptions are harmful, wrong and cause people with a mental illness to suffer from stigma.
a lot of people with mental illnesses are perfectly capable of working, and doing the job just as well as someone without a mental illness. many peoples mental illnesses are adequately managed with medication.
and why assume that they're any more likely to be violent? my Schizophrenic husband hasn't got any agression in him whatsoever.
SOME people with mental illness will struggle to work, and may require Disability benefits, but a lot of people do get to a stage where they are just as capable of work as anyone else.
@_sketch_ (5742)
• United States
5 Feb 12
I agree with Galena.
@veejay19 I think the world will be greatly benefited if you do some proper and thorough research.
I, as a former self injurer, have been stigmatized in a similar fashion that you have stigmatized mental illness as a whole. As a pacifist, I am opposed to violence. I have always done well at my jobs. I very rarely call in. I am always on time, except for a few times when I've missed the bus. I always get my work done and I get along with people.
Do you think that everyone who is mentally ill is not going to be confident in themselves and their ability to work? You do know that mental illness usually isn't something that is cured, but something that is managed through treatment throughout the patient's lifetime? It's a bit blurry what you were trying to say there.
@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
28 Jan 12
Not all employees actually know they have a mental illness but I feel there is a stigma towards it anyway (rather like depression) so my gut feeling would be that attitudes need to change before people can feel comfortable with disclosing whether or not they have a mental illness.
So my answer is no lol.
@_sketch_ (5742)
• United States
5 Feb 12
I agree that people can't really feel comfortable with disclosing their illness. The first step to changing people's attitudes and helping to remove the stigma is education. If people understood what was really going on, then there wouldn't be such a negative look on mental illness.
@Porcospino (31366)
• Denmark
9 Feb 12
I think it depends on the way that the mental illness affects that person's life. Some people with mental illnesses are able to work just like other employees and if they are able to do that, I don't think that they have to tell their employers that they are mentally ill. Some people with mentally illnesses are able to do the work that they are supposed to do, but they need a bit more time than others to finish certain tasks or they have to work fewer hours per week. If you have that kind of special needs I think it is neccesary to tell your employer about your illness because it affects the way that you work.
In my country we have something called Flex-job. It is for people who are ill but able to work if their special needs are fulfilled. Some flex-job workers need to work fewer hours than other employees, some of them need extra time to finish the tasks, some of them need to work in a small group instead of a large group etc. Many flex-job employees are mentally ill, and you have to be open about your illness to get a flex-job, but the advantage is the fact that you can get the extra help that you need.
@_sketch_ (5742)
• United States
10 Feb 12
Flex-job. That's interesting. I've never heard of that before. That's great that something like that is available. Thanks for your response. :)
@LovingLife139 (1504)
• United States
29 Jan 12
I think it would depend on the type of mental illness and perhaps even the type of job. For example, I have Obsessive Compulsive Disorder but the only way that would affect me when working is in a good way; I tend to be very well organized and will go to any lengths to keep things that way. I don't think my personal disorder needs to be disclosed. I was also diagnosed with depression back in my middle school days, but that's unnecessary as well, in my opinion, as this hasn't affected me in quite a few years.
On the other hand...my mother has Bipolar, and I've personally seen her get violent. That could be something you should disclose. My aunt is a compulsive and habitual liar, which probably should be disclosed (but never would be, considering the disorder, haha). I was adopted, and when I met my birth mother and siblings I found that one of my sisters was schizophrenic. She actually believed that any black SUVs that drove by us when we visited them were her bodyguards, etc. I know one other person who is schizophrenic, and he's more toward the negative end...he actually tore out the ceiling of his house and rebuilt it with a layer of tin foil to protect against aliens. In both cases, it's a serious illness. In the latter case, I think it needs to be disclosed for the safety and knowledge of the rest of the workforce.
Benefits? Mostly, the benefits would be to the others who had to work with that person. They would be able to have knowledge and act accordingly if something were to ever go haywire. Detriments? Well, as with any disclosure you have a lack of privacy; however, in my opinion, disclosure or lack thereof should be left to the employer. If that were to happen, a person who was not comfortable with disclosure could simply choose to only look for work at employers who did not force disclosure.
I haven't yet heard of any specific instances where mental illness has had a direct effect on a person's work, but then again, it's a hush-hush topic. Such instances may be swept under the rug for any amount of reasons. This was a very interesting topic of discussion; I'm looking forward to reading the other responses now.
@_sketch_ (5742)
• United States
5 Feb 12
Very thorough response. Thank you. I think you make some good points and I don't think I can argue with any of it.
You said you haven't heard of any specific instances where mental illness has had a direct effect on a person's work, so I am going to give you one.
I, as a former self injurer, have a good amount of scars in plain sight; the origins of which can't be faked. There is an enormous amount of stigma surrounding self injury and I have experienced a lot of discrimination for it.
Whenever I have an interview, I have to wear long-sleeves, even in the summertime, or I will not get the job. I have gone to interviews with short sleeves and I have noticed the interviewer noticing and it was obvious the job thing wasn't gonna happen. And gossip about mental illness works just the same as any other kind of gossip.
Gossip can prevent a person from being promoted, and can obviously create an aggressive work environment.
@homeshoppers (6166)
• Philippines
29 Jan 12
i dont think its necessary as long as that person already well cured and as long as that person knows that they can do better job. its better to just concentrate on the positive side of life and forget about the past and just considered it as a challenge so you will not go back to the old you. if employer will know you have previous mental illness then they might have a second thought of you specially in giving a promotion.
@_sketch_ (5742)
• United States
6 Feb 12
Mental illnesses are generally not cured, but managed through treatment. Also, there is no way that anyone could possibly know what the future will hold concerning their mental status.
@whatrow (792)
• United States
29 Jan 12
I think it would be a good idea so the boss will understand if the person is having problems with the job.
@_sketch_ (5742)
• United States
6 Feb 12
But what if the boss develops a bias against the employee and not only attributes any problems to the illness, but also blows everything way out of proportion. If someone is always watching someone to see if they make mistakes, they are going to see them make a lot more mistakes than the other employees, regardless of how many mistakes the other employees are making.
@eljayo (1105)
• Philippines
29 Jan 12
Hi! I think its very important to disclose it to your employer any way it will reflect on the personality test and even in your performance. SO that if anything happens they will know what to do and they will understand you more. Although discrimination may happen but its still important. I know of a nurse who has a mental illness when stress comes she had a breakdown which lead her to lose her job becuase of her bizarre behavior.
@_sketch_ (5742)
• United States
5 Feb 12
It is not necessarily going to show up on the personality test, not that I think that those are really effective at telling much of anything at all. Also, not all employers even give those tests.
It is easier said than done with coming out with a mental illness and making yourself vulnerable to discrimination, especially when there are bills to be paid. I know that there is disability, but it doesn't really pay that much and not everyone can get it.. not everyone wants to get it.
I understand why, in your example, the nurse actually would have benefited more by telling her employer, but not everyone with a mental illness has any sort of breakdown. The effects of another person's illness could have a more mild symptom. The person may just call in a little more frequently than the average employee; they may have trouble coming on time; or maybe it just takes them longer to complete a task. It may not necessarily cause any sort of scene or even place anyone in harms-way. Do you take the same position on such cases as these?
In some cases, it seems that the stigma is greater than the symptom.
@deodavid (4150)
• Philippines
29 Jan 12
hey there sketch,
Great topic I think disclosure is dependent on the kind of job and if the person's condition is detrimental to his safety and others, but if not then it is fine but dont jobs require medical exams and neuro exams so i guess they can detect it before they hire someone, and again it depends on the kind of job.
@tatzkie23 (770)
• Philippines
29 Jan 12
Mental illness should be taken seriously, Especially if this mental illness is so severe or something. There are some mental illness that causes some illusions and delusions, if this always happen with you then i think there would be a problem with work. Have you watched the movie Beautiful mind? He didn't know he was mentally sick, But he was still able to work. So i think it still depends.
@_sketch_ (5742)
• United States
5 Feb 12
Yes, delusions are a symptom of some mental illnesses, but with proper treatment, such as medication, these symptoms could disappear. Do you think that it should still be reported if such symptoms are unlikely to reappear?
@rubbershot (173)
• Kenya
29 Jan 12
Disclosure of a mental disease to an employer is not neccessary if the employee is undergoing treatment. However, if an employer asked for a mental status, honesty would be neccessary.
@_sketch_ (5742)
• United States
6 Feb 12
I agree. It can get tricky sometimes though. A person may be mentally fit when they start employment, but even small changes in life can have a negative impact and the person may not even realize, if only not at first, that they are becoming sick again.
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
28 Jan 12
Hi sketch! This is a very hard question. You have a person's right to privacy on one hand and then on the other...the possible safety of others to consider. I think it should greatly depend on the illness. If there is a possibility that they would need emergency treatment or might become aggressive under stress...it might be a good idea to share. I do, however, think that if there is disclosure that heads should roll if it is shared with people that have no need to know. It should certainly be left to HR and their particular manager. If these people share the information...there should be a legal responsibility to adhere to and it should also be considered as a guideline for termination.
@_sketch_ (5742)
• United States
6 Feb 12
I agree that it depends on the situation. This is just one of those things that can't be put in black and white. There are just so many variables.
I think that a lot of businesses are starting to put systems like you were talking about in place to help protect employees. You are right.
@Cutie18f (9551)
• Philippines
28 Jan 12
I don't think it is necessary to tell the boss about it unless it affects your work. In this case, if it affects your work, then I think the boss will ask the person to have some rest or leave the job. He now has every reason to fire the person for he is not fit to do the job. If the illness does not interfere with his work, then I think it is better that he keep it to himself.
@_sketch_ (5742)
• United States
6 Feb 12
But what if the interference is something not so severe, such as calling in to work a little more often than the average employee or perhaps taking a little longer than average to complete a task? Workplaces offer accommodation for physical illnesses, so why should this disclose mental illnesses, which are really only a particular kind of physical illness?
@bjc66bjc (6730)
• United States
28 Jan 12
I would think that if ones performance is hindered because of
mental disability once they start and realize its not for them
they would leave, But other than that as long as a mental patient
take their meds I see no reason to disclose that information...
It's should only be a concern when the person is not doing for
himself what he is suppose to do, like staying on his meds..
I think that if I was in that position, once I was established at
the job I would share it only with someone I feel I could trust
them...Its always good for someone around knows the real deal,,,
@_sketch_ (5742)
• United States
6 Feb 12
Not every patient is given meds, and even with medication, changes in mental status can occur.
Also, just because a person's work performance is negatively impacted due to their mental illness, doesn't mean that they notice it, and it doesn't mean that they are just going to want to quit their job. It can take a while to get disability and not everyone is approved.
I read a blog by a woman telling about a time when she disclosed that she had a mental illness and she said that she ended up having to quit because she was treated differently after that.