Obama Budget Proposal - Is It A Re-election Trick
By Fatcat44
@Fatcat44 (1141)
United States
February 13, 2012 9:24am CST
I read about Obama's budget proposal today. The main points that I understood is that he wants a 30% minimum tax on over $250,000 income. It also has over $900 billion dollars deficit in it.
I think he has this out for political reasons only. Congress may never ever vote on it, and he will sit and blame the republicans for not voting for it because of the tax on the rich. No one will point out that it has almost a trillion dollars deficit in it. All we are going to hear about is the republicans making the rich richer.
Why impose a minimun tax when the rate is already 30 to 45%, but they have so many loopholes in it, that they usually payless. Why not just close up some of the loop holes? This is nothing put politics in an election year, and he will get the main stream medias help on this.
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@sierras236 (2739)
• United States
13 Feb 12
I haven't read his budget yet. But it really is more of a wish list than anything since the real budget would have to come from the House. The tax increases aren't going to fly. I can tell you that one right now.
There will actually be three budgets. One in the House, one in the Senate and of course the President just released his.
If it does come up for a vote, the Republicans will probably say no. But don't be surprised if a few Democrats aren't too happy with it either.
Notice I said if. The big at the moment would be to get Harry Reid to actually put up the Budget for a vote. He is so afraid of losing that practically nothing is clearing his desk unless he is absolutely sure it will pass.
That's what happened to the last three budgets they stalled out in the Senate because Harry Reid refused to bring them up for a vote.
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@flowerchilde (12529)
• United States
14 Feb 12
That's very true, but very undereported..
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@nturecamo (30)
• United States
13 Feb 12
The idea is that the 30% minimum for millionaires would actually close up the loopholes in the system for those making more than a million dollars. So actually, when we talk about loopholes, this will basically get rid of the vast majority of them.
In terms of the deficit: We already have a huge deficit, so we can't very well expect the President to come up with a plan which completely eradicates this. It's just not possible. By closing the loopholes, we'll come a bit closer, but we'll need years to break even, and it's not even clear if it's really economically worthwhile to have a surplus (in many ways, a deficit of up to 60% of GDP is considered good for the economy.
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@Fatcat44 (1141)
• United States
13 Feb 12
Congress will never vote for it, so Obama will cry and whine about this all during the election.
Yet, he leaves himself venurable over the 900 billion additional deficit he is adding. This is big, bu the MSM will not even discuss it.
We do not have a tax problem, we have spending problem.
And B.S. on the 60% debt on the GPD. This is not good!
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@flowerchilde (12529)
• United States
14 Feb 12
..loopholes is a totally different thing and raising taxes won't touch 'em..
@nturecamo (30)
• United States
15 Feb 12
Yeah, I checked and I was totally off with the 60% thing. But some deficit spending is usually considered positive for a recession economy.
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@flowerchilde (12529)
• United States
14 Feb 12
This would greatly impact america's small businesses which supply the majority of jobs in the country.. many small businesses file as individuals..
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@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
14 Feb 12
All I have heard from the Presdent is that we have to have the millionairs and billionars pay their fair share. Just like in the 2008 Campaign he told us he would only raise taxes on the very wealthy, I mean on those making over a million dollars, What I meant was the top 1%, I am misunderstood it will be on the top 5%. Now in his budget he is proposing a tax on those making over $250,000 a far cry from a million dollar income. He keeps telling us that it is time for the "Fat Cats"(Hate Speech) to pay their fair share.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/overview
I would point out as I have done in may other postings the Income Tax was sold to the American People as a tax on only the very rich. We already have The Alternative Minimum Tax and if Congress doesn't change it every year more and more people are covered by it. Again this was to be a tax on only the very rich. How long will it be before the 30% minimum tax will be on those making $50,000 or more? (most of those who make less than $50,000 pay little or no income tax and many receive more money in a refund than is taken out every paycheck)
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@Fatcat44 (1141)
• United States
14 Feb 12
You say pay their far share. To me a fair share is a flat tax. Everyone should pay the same if it is to be fair. The rich shouldn't have to pay a higher percentage than anyone else. You want fair.
A big problem is that they can tax the rich at 100% of what they have, and it still won't come close in balancing the budget. We don't have a tax problem, as you know, we have a spending problem.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
14 Feb 12
I believe he purposely submitted a budget that will never pass, just so he can continue his lie about the "do nothing Congress".
I mean, he's maintained for years that the lack of a budget is the fault of the Republicans in the House... but he should have the 50 votes it takes to pass a budget without a single Republican vote.
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@nturecamo (30)
• United States
15 Feb 12
Well, hed need approval in both houses. In any case, no budget has been passed in a couple years so this ones definitely not gonna pass either.
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
14 Feb 12
So what loopholes should they close? Some of them have t o do with advancing businesses. And besides why do the rich have to pay all your taxes? From what I hear that there is a large percentage of people who pay no taxers at all and they are not all the destitute poor. There are deductions that we in Canada do not pay and they would make sure that the middle class who do not pay taxes do - for instance, the income tax deduction on the interest charged on mortgage payments. As for the rich, if they all or most got that way because they were the big bosses in organized crime then I would say tax them happy.
It is not just a re-election trick, Obama had always had this idea that those who are wealthy should give their money away to the poor by force not willingly. So he wants to take the credit for helping the poor. I believe giving should be voluntary - the church does a good job of that = and at least with churches, they decide what poor to give to - certainly not the kind who is lazy and does not want to help him or herself or the one who just has babies without marriage so they can get more money .
As for the loopholes, they have to be closed for everybody, so you will hear a lot of people complaining.
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@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
13 Feb 12
Of course it's a reelection trick, but what would you expect. He is running for a second term as President, and not just against the Republican Presidential candidate, but the whole Republican party. Since the main stream media is, for the most part, liberal, of course they will help him in any way they can. It's up to those opposed to Obama to point out facts that show him in a negative light.
@chrystaltears (3392)
• United States
13 Feb 12
I believe you alright when you say that Congress will or many never ever vote on this and he will blame the republicans for not voting on it because of the taxes on the rich. I have heard that and heard it.
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@bagarad (14283)
• Paso Robles, California
19 Feb 12
I think all Americans should pay some tax. The flat tax may be a good idea. When we have half the population paying no tax, it is much easier for them to vote themselves more goodies (which increases spending) without feeling any of the pain. I also think there should be no mandatory withholding from paychecks. When people never see that money, they don't even think of it as part of the money they earned, but as money they might get back in a refund. They don't know what it's like to really see how much tax you are paying and have to write that check to the IRS. They only have to come up with the difference if their tax turns out to be more than what was withheld. That's less painful that writing a check for thousands of dollars on April 15.