Rick Santorum's position on birth control and abortion: Clear as mud!!!
@thegreatdebater (7316)
United States
February 18, 2012 6:59pm CST
Rick Santorum's campaign has been in full CYA mode since their top fund raiser made a stupid comment on Thursday. But, it does shine light on a subject that Santorum has a very interesting past with. He says that he personally opposes abortion, and birth control, but won't let his personal beliefs dictate how he would govern as president. Part of the reason people are interested in him is his conservative beliefs, and principles. Now he is saying that even if he feels something is wrong he will still vote for it even if it goes against his religious beliefs. Santorum voted for title X which funded birth control for low income families. Do you think that Santorum is hurting his base by stating he won't govern based on his religious beliefs, or do you think that it will help him with moderates by showing that he isn't a crazy religious freak?
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/17/santorum-clarifies-birth-control-stance/?hpt=hp_bn3
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@Fatcat44 (1141)
• United States
19 Feb 12
Yeah, I didn't quit follow his discussion the other day. I am waiting to see what becomes of this. But Romney has trouble saying anyting about this because Santorum has the evangelical support, (which is being disguised as the conservatives, when it is actually the fact they will never vote for a Morman!)
He is freaking catholic, we know what he should be saying. He loses some of my respect for not following his religion. Even though I think the Catholic church have lost the real meaning, too but that is another discussion.
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@Fundamental_Charlie (106)
• United States
19 Feb 12
This is where it should get interesting!
Lucifer was CREATED as an angel, then in his pride to become as God, he was cast out. Jesus WAS NOT CREATED but is co-eternal without beginning or end. Jesus IS God, incarnate. God, through the Holy Spirit, may have created the human body which He, as Christ, would inhabit, but Christ is the eternal Alpha and Omega.
I have never, nor could I have, denied the power of God, for you to accuse me of such a thing is ridiculous. God can do anything as long as it does not violate His nature. Yes, there are some things that God cannot do. God cannot lie, God cannot deny Himself, God cannot tolerate the presence of evil.
By learning the nature of God it is easy to understand that God could not, would not, create any other god. "I am the Lord; that is my name! I will not give my glory to another or my praise to idols." Isaiah 42:6. Elsewhere He says, "I am God, Apart form me there is no God." Besides the notion of multiple gods is impossible from even a humanly logical viewpoint.
So if God will not share His glory, then what of Christ? Christ accepted worship, He forgave sins, He claimed to be equal to God, (the offense that eventually got Him crucified). But look at John 1:1 and 1:14 together... (14 first), "The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us." What is this, "Word," it is Christ Jesus... now look at verse 1, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God." So God made His dwelling among men as Christ. Then look at Colossians 1:16-20. There is too much to write it here but the crux is in verse 16, "For by him, [Christ], all things were created.
Since God does not share His glory, and since creation is the evidence of His glory, how can Christ get the credit except that Christ IS God! Mormons may be positive but so are biblical Christians. It's a shame what religion has done to Christianity but the genuine Christian is loving and positive. The Mormons simply have the wrong Jesus.
Oh yeah, one more thing to consider, WE ARE NOT ALL CHILDREN OF GOD. We are all His creation but God has only One of whom he says, "This is my son." The converted Christian is ADOPTED INTO THE FAMILY OF GOD. So yeah, a baby cow becomes a cow and a baby wolf, a wolf; but the orphaned puppy that feeds on the cat who adopts it does not become a cat, it is still a dog. We are all sinners and so becoming saved, we are not transformed into gods, we remain sinners, but sinners who are saved by grace. We are not of His seed, read your Bible, we were created from the dust of the earth and into us God breathed the breath of life, according to your own statements, we will grow to become dirt!
@Fatcat44 (1141)
• United States
20 Feb 12
Sorry, forgive me for Bible bashing. I do not like to do this.
The one scripture that sums this all up is in 1 Corinthians, where it talks about the resurrection.
You said God does not share his Glory, but in 1 Corinthians 19 we learn that some will be resurrected to the Glory of the Sun, other with the Glory of the Moon, and other with only the Glory of the stars. God will resurrect us and give us Glory according to our faith and obedience.
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
20 Feb 12
Fat, I agree that Romney isn't going to get the catholic vote, but is has nothing to do with abortion or birth control. The only thing it has to do with is his religion, although they won't admit it, we all know it. I agree that it is ironic that the church stands up strong for certain issues, but ignores others.
@AidaLily (1450)
• United States
19 Feb 12
Hi! Thanks for the support again. I haven't given up yet. I am amused but I haven't given up.
Now to answer the question. This is a bit disturbing based on the number of people who were backing him from the extremist evangelical group. This also shows that he will flip on issues depending on whether he wants votes. Why state that you are going to govern based on your religious beliefs and then not do it? I don't agree with his stance but flip-flopping is worse. What else will he say he wont do and then end up doing?
The fact that he is mostly like just trying to get more votes with this is sad because really its the voters who support him who lose in the end. As far as his abortion stance... his wife has had one. It was medically necessary but if his religious beliefs don't condone it at all, didn't he just violate them but letting her get one?
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
20 Feb 12
A republican hypocrite? Say it ain't so!!! The one thing I think this shows people more than anything else is his lack of regard he has for women. He has said many times that his wife wrote a section of his book, but he won't put her name on the book. Personally I support abortion because it isn't my body, and I shouldn't make that choice for someone else. I agree that the people that support him will continue, but I think this seriously hurts his chance of getting the nomination because moderates, and independents won't vote for someone like him.
@AidaLily (1450)
• United States
20 Feb 12
Lol. Now that you mention it, he doesn't seem to have much in regard to women at all. I mean I know some religions don't really value women, but I have never heard him really even mention women or women issues unless someone brings up birth control or abortion and then he says something about how bad it is, etc. I mean an abortion saved his wife's life but its against his beliefs which as I said previously made no sense for him to get one if he is against it or believes it should be illegal. If he says his wife wrote part of the book but wont put her name on the cover, will he at least list her on the inside of the cover or on the title page?
I don't agree with abortion, BUT its not my body and not my choice. Last I checked no one really has a right to tell someone what to do with their body in regards to that. I mean its not their choice. They can not support it, but who cares if some stranger down the street supports it or not. They are not living that person's life.
@sierras236 (2739)
• United States
19 Feb 12
Nope, won't hurt him. It will be some other issue next month. It is a President Obama issue because the chances of this particular mandate being struck down by the Supreme Court are fairly high based on their previous rulings about the First Amendment.
But then President Obama is doing exactly the same thing. He is a Christian (no, not a Muslim) and yet, he issued this mandate. Isn't it going against his beliefs as well?
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
20 Feb 12
Charlie, why don't you contact your senator, and representative with all of the FACTS of how Obama has violated the constitution. Good luck with that!!!
@Fundamental_Charlie (106)
• United States
19 Feb 12
Obama, (Emporer Hussein), CLAIMS to be a Christian. The Bible says that we can recognize a Christian by their fruit and this guys whole fruit wagon stinks! He swore an oath to defend the constitution of the United States and then turned around repeatedly and violated it himself, he should be impeached, not nominated for a second term, (and yes, technically he must be renominated).