The Birth Control Debate

@bobmnu (8157)
United States
March 4, 2012 8:31pm CST
It seems from the reports and the comments from people that this debate is over access to Birth Control. The impression I got was that if the Government didn't force the Churches to pay for Birth Control women could not get Birth Control. It seems that the MSM and the Liberals say this is all about a woman's access to Birth Control, yet no woman has come forth and said they are not allowed to get their choice of Birth Control. I feel this debate is over the Governments right to tell Churches that they have to do what is against their core values. Speaker Gingrich tried to correct David Greggory on Meet the Press. David Gregory asked the following questions "That this is an attack on women’s rights? That’s their view. Reproductive rights? Access to contraception? And in the extreme, that it’s some sort of war on women?" http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Gingrich-Limbaugh-contraception-Fluke/2012/03/04/id/431320?s=al&promo_code=E530-1 The Speaker hit right back with who is denying women Birth Control. Is this debate over Government being able to tell a church what to do or is it about women's access to Birth Control and who is trying to prevent Women from getting Birth Control?
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@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
6 Mar 12
It is simply the newest addition to the Dictionary of Liberal Hyperbole. Access: n. the right to have something (particularly something normally considered a personal choice and not listed as a right under the Constitution) freely distributed with the costs of such distribution being paid by someone else, preferably the taxpayer through government redistribution of personal income.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
6 Mar 12
I guess it's all about definition and perception; in other words, apparently it's in the "eye of the beholder". To my way of thinking, if someone can't afford to buy something then it's not exactly "accessible" no matter how widely AVAILABLE it might be. I realize that to those on the right who have insisted on fighting this fight against women's health care $50-100 a month or however much birth control pills or shots currently cost isn't even pocket change. Rick Santorum recently claimed birth control only costs "a few bucks" and we all know Mitt is able to toss out 100 times that much on a frivolous bet so clearly they can't identify with the average young woman who takes the pill. Of course, I'm sure they agree with Ron Paul that while the pills aren't immoral it's "immorality" that causes the desire for the pills! I sincerely don't see this as a religious rights issue. Nobody is being forced or even advised to use birth control although I believe it's over 90% of all Catholics do so. By providing insurance the organizations aren't "paying" for the birth control, the insurance company is. I just think this is much ado about nothing that wouldn't be happening if it were a men's health issue. Annie
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
6 Mar 12
Who is paying the Insurance Company? Many of the Religious Hospitals are self insured so then yes they are being forced to provide something goes against their moral standards. If they can force the Churches to provide birth control what next force them to marry Gay Couples, require that priests and ministers counsel terminal ill people on how to end their life with dignity, Where will it end? As to the cost almost ever county has one or more free clinics that will give them out for free. That is one of the things that Planned Parenthood does. If the Secretary of Health can order that Churches must provide birth control. Can they also require Jewish Hospitals to serve healthier pork to the patients. What is to stop the Secretary of the Treasury from saying that all retirement accounts public and private (already regulated buy the IRS) must include 20% in government bonds paying below market interest. What would happen if the Catholic Church decides to close all their Hospitals, schools and Colleges? The government is telling a private institution what they must do.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
6 Mar 12
Planned Parenthood and the Public Health Department BOTH hand out free birth control to those in need. So, what is the problem?
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
6 Mar 12
REALLY, what is the problem? This is a manufactured dilemma used only to divert attention from the real issue of Obama's abyssamal record during a campaign year. NO ONE has to do with out birth control in the USA if they need it. AND it can be had WITHOUT forcing the Catholic Church to pay for it by Planned Parenthood or the Health Dept!. It doesn't matter if 100% of Catholic women use birth control, if the Catholic Church teaches and believes what it teaches as being WRONG, under the First Amendment they CANNOT be forced to pay for it. If they can force a church body, they can force an individual against their conscience. You ready for that? Maybe they will force you to renounce progressive ideals and take on Conservative ones, like donate to the Republican party or something.
@peavey (16936)
• United States
5 Mar 12
Any woman in the USA who wants birth control can get it. Apparently any president who wants church control can get it - or thinks he can. This infuriates me. It's a direct slam at part of the basic rights our nation was founded upon: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." No law respecting an establishment of religion.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
9 Mar 12
Well said. Any president who wants church control can get it....!!! prohibiting the free exercise there of. We've stood silent while they have taken away the public displays of our faith, they are NOT going any futher!
@anne25penn (3305)
• Philippines
5 Mar 12
Here in my country we have similar touchy subject in terms of access to birth control. We call it the Reproductive Health bill and it will never pass into law. Why? Because I live in the Philippines where the Catholic church and their priests have started an all-out war campaign against the bill. They have even tagged the bill as "Satanic" because it is a form of abortion. This being said, the poor in our community will never have access to birth control pills because the church says so. It doesn't matter if we are over populated with 95% of those living below the poverty line. For them this bill interferes with "God's way" of natural creation. In my opinion, just access to birth control is not enough especially in my country. There has to be a program on educating people on the pros and cons of taking such pills.
@irishidid (8687)
• United States
5 Mar 12
After seeing several ridiculous posts on facebook about republicans, tea party, etc. keeping women from their reproductive rights I finally posted and asked them to name one of these that ever stopped them from getting birth control. So far, no one has come up with a name.
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
5 Mar 12
That is because no one is talking about denying Birth Control as the left would like you to believe.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
5 Mar 12
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2012/01/08/debate-abcs-stephanopoulos-presses-romney-contraception-ruling Remember back in January during a GOP Presidential debate, when Stephanopolous asked Romeny whether he believed the U.S. Supreme Court should overturn a 1965 ruling that a constitutional right to privacy bars states from banning contraception? Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2012/01/08/debate-abcs-stephanopoulos-presses-romney-contraception-ruling#ixzz1oHBdfnVy Now we know why. None of this is by accident. Obama is slick as goose doo doo.
@aerous (13434)
• Philippines
6 Mar 12
I think birth control should not pass into law because it is the right of every citizens to chose what is right or what is wrong with them. It is not undeniably that to control the population is also a commandment of God and under the provision of the constitution to protect the family as the basic foundation of the state...but I think it is better to have a free will of every couple to choose what is right with their family. The government stand should enforce a campaign about the implication of growing population so that people will be aware of the future...
@otoman (42)
• Philippines
5 Mar 12
for me, birth control is necessary for every woman, but still they have the right to refuse since that is their life. I mean we own our life, you know what is best for you. Why is it that the church is involved in birth control? here in the Philippines the catholic church is actively campaigning about reproductive health bill they said it's against the teaching of the church, they don't mind the up growing rate of teen pregnancy..
• Canada
5 Mar 12
I think if people want or need birth control and you don't have benefits you need to pay for it, sure if you can prove you cannot afford it then to control the unwanted baby population then by all means the government can kick in for the pills. Giving the pills to people who want them is much better than the money and time that is involved in having an abortion. As well it's less harm on the womans health.