Violating the First Amendment--AGAIN!

I wonder if the supreme court would even consent to hear a challenge to this new law.

Well said. Obama could have signed it with a statement of some sort, though. This and the NDAA are what truly upset his supporters. If this does not highlight the control the 1% has over the government, I don't know what it will take to wake people up. I think doing something as simple as a 'mike check' with forty people in unison saying they oppose something is not a reason for an arrest. I think taking a semi automatic assault rifle and gunning down people at a convention would deserve an arrest.

I think it would be very telling if they don't.

Laura there are many of us that know the president is just a figurehead taking orders (and people call us crazy), we're just not sure who is giving them. Could be the bankers, could be other countries, could be a secret world organization...I haven't figured it out yet but I definitely believe there are people behind the scenes orchestrating everything. That doesn't mean we have to give up and not fight to retain our rights, though. Yes, it will get worse. Unfortunately.

I've posted a discussion on the Federal Reserve if you care to respond. It is interesting to note that it is said in I Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. I find it very interesting that the only time Jesus became angry (that I can discern) is when He threw the money changers out of the Temple. Why did He do this? I'd have to dig deeper to find this out.

i believe that the bankers are part of the illuminati. theres so much that oints to that and some things seem too detailed and obvious to be a coincidence. like the illuminati pyramid with "new world order" written in latin on you dollar bills. it always makes me happy to find someonw who knows what is going on in the world. its so frustrating when people refuse to believe it.

Nobody but an evil person wants anything bad to happen to our president and I agree he needs protection. But to restrict our freedom of speech, guaranteed by the constitution, is a violation of our rights and it's a very short journey to restricting freedom of the press and freedom of movement. If you don't see the danger in this I'm disappointed. There are other ways to protect our president and those under the protection of the Secret Service than trampling on the rights of the people.

I was going to add this to mine after Dragon replied, but it fits your much better. Okay. If someone's there to take a shot, then prison time! Life in prison! We don't assassinate! But if someone's there just to shout out, "I think you're a phucktard liar who shouldn't be in office!" then that should be protected by our First Amendment. Now, if they want to remove the person from the forum, I understand that completely. They said what they had to say, and since they were rude about it, they were escorted away. But putting someone in jail is intimidation in order to silence free speech.

There are noisy demonstrations all over this country every day. How many times have you heard about crazies blending in with these crowds and taking shots at politicians?

When Obama signs a bill he is just as responsible, if not more so, as everyone who voted for it. Saying a veto would be overruled is irrelevant. He should have vetoed it anyway. The mayor of San Francisco vetoed the anti-happy meal bill even though he knew he'd be overruled. It's not like a veto takes any special effort.

I would like to know their excuse, too. I can't think of any good reason for a law like this. Our politicians are evil people that don't give a damn about the country as long as they can increase their own wealth and power. Why do people keep voting for them?! Are they so blind they can't see how they're selling us out every day? God, I just don't know how we've gotten this far with a population so stupid and gullible.

Dragon, the problem is that the majority of Americans don't care, and the politicians know it. They know they can take advantage of us with no fear. If they lose an election, they can just move over to consulting, or lobbying. Either way, they use all of their power to make as much money for themselves as possible. This is just another way to stop people from questioning their power.

I don't think us "right wingers" want to deny anyone the right to protest, it's the way they protest that is objected to. They disrupt businesses, retaliate when they can't get free stuff, leave trash all over the place and absolutely ruined the park they occupied in New York. I haven't seen any reports of OWS being denied the right to protest. Can you provide some links to some valid news stories that covers this? I think everyone should have the right to protest whatever they wish but they should not destroy property or deny the privilege of doing business to anyone. I'm close to Dayton, Ohio, and the OWS people there are civil, accommodating to businesses and don't interfere with commerce or peoples' access to the area. They even broke camp last year so that the city could put on a traditional annual event. If all OWS groups were like this I don't think they'd have any trouble. Oh yeah, our OWS also obtained all the legal permits they needed to get to conduct their protests.

I think that you have an unhealthy hatred of the "right wing" and I wish you would look at people instead of parties. I wasn't aware that there have been so many arrests. I do know that coverage is biased, depending on which news source one accesses and it's like that with everything--journalism is no longer objective as it is supposed to be, they all have agendas now so we can't trust what we read in the news. Thank goodness for the internet! I am aware that there have been "plants" in the OWS movement to smear them. The same thing happens to TEA Party gatherings. I read about it, watched and sure enough there were people who were deliberately disrupting OWS gatherings so I'm educated on that. If this law is allowed to stand we will soon see the end of all free speech. I hope you'll contact your representative and voice your displeasure over this insult to our constitution.

The majority of the OWS groups are like the one you have in Dayton. But, a right wing media will not show that. Check out huffingtonpost, and the ows websites, and see their live footage, articles, forums, and links, etc. It is actually that simple to see how peaceful these groups are. If I had more time, I would provide several links, but think its time people do their own research. There were some provokers and undercovers trying to taint the appearance of the OWS groups (who caused the destruction), and that is well documented with their forums. Naturally, though, not on the news. Not only that, something like 44 governmental agencies met to discuss how to take down the 99%, who finally found a voice and some recognition for the most obvious problems we are facing today. I would say the 4,000 and counting arrests indicate that their freedom of speech and assembly has been severely trampled on. In some cases, they voice opposition to the speaker at an event with the SS present. Is opposition reason enough for an extended stay in prison? Not for the left wing, and not for the right wing. But right wingers never extend the same rights to the left wingers.

It violates the first amendment, plain and simple. Whether it is used to control free speech from protesters or not, it violates our rights. This is how it starts, something proclaiming to protect but with language that permits the government to stifle the voices of the people. "There has to be a reason that someone wrote this bill and all but three lawmakers voted in its favor." Sure there is. They don't care about our rights and are scared for their own sorry skins. That, or they were promised favors or support that would further their personal wealth or re-election efforts. There's no other reason I can think of why an elected person supposedly representing his district or state would vote to violate our sacred constitution.

Oh hey, I just saw your post under Gerty's and had to say something--our government is OUR employees, not the other way around. No, they don't represent us any longer but only themselves and their party's agendas. You CAN tell them what to do but in order to do that we have to cooperate together and give no rep more than 1 term in office. WE are the employers and we have to figuratively smack them upside the head and make them toe the line. The more people who vote for incumbents, the less chance we have of ever again having a voice in our own government. Right now it tells us what to do and pushes us around and it's supposed to be exactly the opposite. Write your reps and read them the riot act, so to speak, get involved and don't let them get away with riding herd on we the people any longer!

dragon54u-Nicely put!it genuinly made me smile when i read this.lol. i have to say though that who you vote for doesnt matter. knowone will be president if they dont want them to. it makes me so angry when people think that what THEY do is for our own good. people need to find that fight and passion for their freedom and rights. until then, we are on our own in seperate parts of the world, fighting a losing battle. us people at the bottom should be standing together for the sake of all our futures. but it wont happen. because too many people just cant believe whats right in front of their own eyes!

Yes, it is going way too far. With the law recently passed that lets the gov't retain without bail or counsel any American that they deem a terrorist for as long as they wish, it's pretty scary. Be very afraid.

I find it almost unbelievable that there were only 3 votes against this monstrosity. Our "representatives" are selling us down the river and stripping us of our rights as casually and thoughtlessly as we would swat a gnat away. We do need to boot them out and in a survey about 85% of people said everyone should be voted out. But when asked if their own rep deserved a second term, over 50% said yes. That's the problem--bring enough money and "free" stuff to your state and the idiots will keep you in office till you die or quit running.

I think that Obama is probably going to get re-elected as things stand now. The economy seems to be improving. The Republicans do not seem to have any strong candidates for President. I like Romney but he does not seem to be in touch with the common guy. Santorum is too conservative for me. As of today, whether I agree with Obama or not, I am leaning towards voting for him. As for The Congress. it always seems to be the same old, same old, whether they are Democrats or Republicans. They do not seem to be working for me. I live in Texas and the small person does not have to many rights here. We have some of the worst social services in the nation. I think that we need an Independent Party. I do not mean an occasional independent candidate. I mean a strong Independent Party. We need more choices. We need a third party.

I deliberated abbreviated the Secret Service so that someone might make that connection to the SS, you caught it! And you're right about the facists every few generations only this time they are here and we're not used to fighting them on our own soil. So many people don't recognize it for what it is and when you tell them their rights are being trampled on they rationalize it by saying if it wasn't good for us the government wouldn't do it. SHEEP!!! Those types are dangerous because they are comfortable in their little nests and it's so scary to them to actually use their brains/ This election this year is crucial and if it goes the wrong way you'll soon see America become a third world nation. It's already started. We have an unemployment rate of around 19% if you take the true figures into account and are nearly $16 trillion in debt with no hope of paying it off unless something drastic is done. So this new law is a big, big deal to people who enjoy thinking. I would love to see some politicians get what they deserve--we'd have a lot of members of Congress in the stocks, tarred and feathered (which is awful to think about!) and publicly flogged.

I was actually waiting for you to make a discussion on it but figured it got past you, as it did the majority of Americans. If I hadn't been listening to talk radio yesterday I would have missed it, too. So I brought it up because I think it's very important the people know what's going on. The hell of it is that there will be people saying we have to protect heads of state and others protected by the SS and the law is needed. First it was mandating that we buy a product whether we want it or not--insurance, camouflaged by the innocent term "health care". Then it was violate your religious beliefs by providing contraception and abortion. Now it's banning protests. What next?!

Protecting our leaders is what the Secret service are suppose to do. What is the deal? This is aimed at shutting up the voice of the people. It goes hand in hand with 'prolonged detention'. No phone call, no lawyer, no one knows where you are being held...all in the name of FEAR. Make the people afraid enough and they will give up ALL their rights to feel secure. Now we see that we are not to be allowed to gather as a group and tell our leaders what we want, what we don't like, and why we don't like it. In other words, shut up and sit down. I foresee this being used in the campaign in a big way. Not that the GOP will speak out against it, but that Obama will stage something to show his version of why we need this.

I refuse to re-elect anyone, I don't care how good a job they are doing! I've been doing that for years but it seems I'm the only one because the politicians can make a career of it. I didn't see this on any news show. I've been checking Fox News and haven't seen it there, either. I heard it on a local talk radio show, of all things. I wonder if the popular talk shows will have it on Monday.. Keep voting them out--way to go!

I have yet to see anyone re-elected who accomplished anything except for their cronies. I don't see truth up on the hill or in the white house. Mostly both places are made up of of people who want everything for themselves and the people can take a flying leap!

Oh my God, it's starting already...I've mentioned several times over this past year that I think the Occupy movement is a tool to create civil unrest that would give the prez an excuse to declare martial law but now they are preparing to suspend the elections another way. I listen to my dreams. I believe that's one way that God speaks to us, you can read instances of it all through the Bible and see it in your own life if you only look and connect the dots. We may have four more years--or more--of Mr. Obama whether we want to or not. We will be ruined. It's already to a point where we almost can't recover as a country.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/15/can-the-secret-service-tell-you-to-shut-up/ Very interesting article by Judge Napalitano on this subject.

I agree. The only way we can stop it is for people to wake up and realize all they've given up for their 900 channels of crap and housefuls of useless toys. I'm not very optimistic.

Codymac, it started at the turn of the 20th century with the con game that gave us the Federal Reserve, a corporation with NO government oversite, yet they can manipulate the economy and the government in one fell swoop.

Hey, welcome to myLot! As you can see, we have some very lively discussions and lots of different opinions. I don't think it's this administration that's doing all the harm, it started decades ago slow eroding our national integrity and lulling us to complacency. This particular president can do these things because the country has become divided into parties that can no longer communicate with each other, something people have worked very hard on for years. Mr. Obama is just the one that happens to be in office when the time is right that they can do these things without the public making a fuss. I hope we prove them wrong.

oh yea, a group of them even chased little children going to school down the street. But they're a great crowd, truly great.

Everyone needs to call/write/email their representatives and take them to task for voting for this monstrosity--except, of course, the 3 who voted nay and they should get letters of praise and encouragement. This type of thing will continue unless we communicate with our reps and let them know we will vote them out if they continue tearing this country down and robbing us of our rights.

And so we start down the slippery slope and eventually lose our freedom of speech.

Well, even assuming we want to tweak what "free speech" means, we'd also have to tweak "cruel and unusual punishment" if we're talking about prison time for disrupting someone else's political speech. It's just too stifling for me to personally be on board with. Penalties in the way of fines for public disorderly is about as far as I feel it should go. And that would be for extreme cases, like a moron who got up there, jumped around and refused to shut up. Acting a fool doesn't warrant time in prison. We have enough people in prison already who shouldn't be there.

dragon54u Kind of like saying the ability to impound a car illegally parked in your driveway, is a slippery slope to eventually losing our freedom to park in our own driveway. Again, if you have the right to peaceably assemble, and the right to freedom of speech, then so does the president. You can not logically use your rights, to violated the rights of someone else. That means that just like I can't come to your peaceable assembly, and disrupt it, and I can't come to your speech and start screaming out my speech. The reverse is also true. You can't go to Obama's speech and start making your own. Nor go to his assembly, and disrupt it. The idea that simply enforcing the rights of the people, is somehow equal to revoking the rights of the people, or could somehow "lead" to revoking those rights, is ridiculous. The number one reason people lose their rights, is because they abuse those rights. Going to someone else's meeting and abusing your rights by disrupting other people's rights, is a greater reason you'll lose them. You may approve of someone harassing Obama and his supporters, because you don't like him. But when it's your turn, what goes around comes around, and you'll be the one harassed. Don't think the Obama-bots don't pay attention. matersfish Again, it's kind of like saying I'm all for people being escorted off my property if they set fire to my house. That's it? Is just escorting them out going to stop them from disrupting every event? Better question: Has it? The answer is of course, no. So is simply escorting them out is not solving the problem. The next solution is to increase the penalty high enough that it's not worth violating the law. This is the next step, and it needs done. You can speak back all you want. You just can't do it in a way to violate other people's rights.