love: the tighter you hold it, the more it will fly away?

@Hatley (163776)
Garden Grove, California
March 12, 2012 3:51pm CST
Hi mylotters was reading a discussion about a problem a mylotter had with her boy friend.This triggered my own discussion. Somewhere in my youth I had read a little poem about how if you hold on too tightly to your loved one, the more he will wish to fly off. This young woman was all upset because he did not answer all her many calls she had made to him. To me she sounded like she felt that he had to call her every few hours every day to tell her just what he was doing. I found that too controlling. If my husband had done that to me before we were married I might have never married him. I really think no adult wants to be controlled all the time by another no matter how much he or she loves the other person. your take mylotters. or am I just too trusting a person?Is love really that frantic?
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• Philippines
12 Mar 12
I agree with how you put it. The more we are after love, the more it runs faster away from us. Of course, we as humans are created free and by nature, we want freedom and not somebody controlling us. In my advance study of things, I found out that the more you push something on somebody, the more they are running away. If you pursue love, it flies. When you pursue money, it flies. Understanding the principle behind it would be a wonderful thing which helps us to get what we desire. I learned that if we want love, we give love and naturally, love will come back to us. If we want money, we give and it comes back multiplied. No wonder the Bible principle is "Give and it shall be given unto you..." It can be anything. Give a smile and people will smile back to you. Give time to listen and people will listen to you. Give your life to God and you will have life...Oh that I've learned this principle at an early age.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
12 Mar 12
hi fod is good yes indeed we hold lightly but with love. giving love always returns it to us. those old creeds are still as true as when 'they were first made. I could understand her wanting to hear from her boyfriend but it seemed to me she was asking way to much of him. Most men do not like that , and I think most women really do not like that either.It is just part of human nature.
@ajithlal (14716)
• India
4 Aug 12
I also think that we should love as much as possible to the people we love. I also think it is true that is said in Bible about Give and it shall be given to you and most times we get what we give to othres in life.
• United States
12 Mar 12
Hi Aunt Hatley, I believe that saying is true. If you hold onto kids too tight you will lose them. If you hold onto a spouse too tight you might lose him or her too. I believe in letting love go and if it comes back to you, you were meant to have it.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
12 Mar 12
hi pointlessquestions Yes I really think it is too. I tried not to suffocate my hubby but I did object when he started doing as he had as a single man,. going to the nearest bar and just hanging out for hours. he did this twice and i suggested that he spend the evenings with me more so we sort of made some compromises.On the evening he wanted to go to the bar I and our kids would go see my mom. we had a lot of fun in our marriage. he started t taking me for drives to the most interesting places like a flower farm once and a koi fish hatchery another time.love like we had is not so usual anymore,if they stay together for 7 years they feel its an accomplishment lol I was married for33 years.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
13 Mar 12
h p;q my parents were married for 40 some years and were also fighting for 40 some years.this soured me on marriage until I met my husband to be and he changed my mind about marriage. we seldom fought as we just discussed and then figured out how to solve our problems and sometimes he compromised and sometimes I did.People used to believe in marriage and the vows and they tried really hard to make their marriages work.but in my parents marriage they should never have married each mother. he was almost forty years mymom's senior. Her own father was only five years older than my dad.lol.He abused her verbally all the time and she would not fight back.She always said "Oh thats just his way." the hell it was, he insulted her and treated like a daughter instead of his intelligent sweet wife.My husband and I were best friends too,my parents really did not act like they liked each other at all.I still miss my husband lol
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
15 Mar 12
I dont know why but my father was alway a v ery bitter man convinced most people were crooks and out to get him. I gre w up sweareing I would not be like that, but still life opened me up to the realities that there are people who smile while they are stealing your billfold. but unlike my dad, I though most people were good, honest and decent.but I think he picked my mom because she was always a very cheerful happy person and at times she did make him laugh too.
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@celticeagle (166718)
• Boise, Idaho
12 Mar 12
It depends on the person. If they are jealous and lack self-esteem then there could be a problems. A saying I enjoy is: If you love somebody, let them go, for if they return, they were always yours. And if they don't, they never were. by Kahlil Gibran I pretty much think that explains it.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
13 Mar 12
oh thanks celticeagle I was tryingto think of who wrote that. I had a book stuck in storage I guess with his poems in it. Yes it worked for me in our marriage as I made him know I trusted him. the only one time he got jealous. so funny I was working tin the t.b. ward at St lukes and became friends with this elderly male patient. He was the author of an old Song After the Ball is Over. He called me on my day off to wish me happy birthday and sent me a beautiful Christmas card. the card upset my hujbbySo as we both still worked at St. Lukes so I grabbed my husband's hand,got him masked and suited up and took him to meet the 86 year old man. He was red faced when he met the man and the man told him to trust me as Iwas always a woman to be trusted. I cannot remember his name now. Just for f fun I will lookit up in our ratty search engine. lol
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@celticeagle (166718)
• Boise, Idaho
13 Mar 12
That is a sweet story. Men are so weird sometimes. Only took me three times to post this. Grrrr!!!!
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@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
12 Mar 12
sounds like a trust problem. and most often then not one is like this in todays relationships. little do they know it only makes matters worse.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
12 Mar 12
hi bunnybon yes it sure sounded like a trust issue with her. I did not know if they were living together or not. bu t I felt she was controlling him and he was evading her. If she trusted him she would relax and not get all upset like that.If I had been married to a man who felt he had to check up on me or I would be unfaithful well it sure would not have lasted long.
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@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
12 Mar 12
i know what ricki means. reading her response. i was married to a guy like that. we worked together all day and of course went home together. yet if i was working on the other side of the complex, he'd come over and hang with me and complain about if i talked to one of the guys i cleaned their office. thats why i got away. it was sickening after a while and i couldnt stand him another minute. soon divorced that one.
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@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
13 Mar 12
mine lasted 2 yrs. i really tried.
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@bhanusb (5709)
• India
14 Mar 12
Hi Hatley, Your husband is fortunate enough that he did not irritated you before marriage. Love sometimes cross the limit. It is natural.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
14 Mar 12
hi bhanusb lol oh indeed but hes been gone now since 1991 of a fatal heart attack. We were more mature than most as I was 32 and he was 37 when we married. but we had trust in each other and that saved us all the jealous checking up on mates that modern people in relationships do.we just knew we both were faithful to each other, hence no flurry of phone calls to check up on a mate.
@ajithlal (14716)
• India
23 Jul 12
I also think that the love that cross limits are not control. I think it is good to have unconditional love in life.
@bhanusb (5709)
• India
15 Mar 12
But he is in your heart and will remain....
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• China
13 Mar 12
What you said may well be right.I doubt if her boy friend has finished with her. The young woman gave her boy friend so many calls a day so as to make sure what he was doing,she has never thought her boy friend was likely to get tired of that.In the eyes of him,the young woman treated him this way before getting married,if they got married,it would surely be that "the grey mare is the better horse."
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
13 Mar 12
hi chang to me she does not realize she does not trust him at all so she has to check on him constantly.this would drive me crazy had my husband done that to me before we were married.you must trust and respect the person you love ,if you cannot do this, then the relationship is all wrong. I think she needs to rethink her relationships and why she feels she has to check on him constantly.
• China
14 Mar 12
It is so right.Nobody can tolerate the way the woman treated her boy friend.She should see how that had an effect on him.Now that her boy friend didn't set her mind at rest ,as you have said, why didn't she rethink their relationships?
• China
14 Mar 12
It is so right.Nobody can tolerate the way the woman treated her boy friend.She should see how that had an effect on him.Now that her boy friend didn't set her mind at rest ,as you have said, why didn't she rethink their relationships?
@Sreekala (34312)
• India
13 Mar 12
Hi Hatley, I agree, real love mean giving freedom but the young generation is become possessive and like to make a circle on their loved ones which creates troubles. Nobody likes to get controlled by somebody even if it is a person who loves the most. Anything too much is dangerous for sure. Not sure about the situation of this young woman you mentioned, may be they are living far away and the she may be over concerned.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
13 Mar 12
hi sreekala real love does mean giving freedom and trust and respect. I think the young woman is in the sam place as her boyfriend but her many calls seem to be working against her. if she truly loves him she will trust and respect him.You cannot own another person and control him like a puppet love is free and needs to know its free. I think she feels she had to check on him and that mneans she has no trust at all in him. I would also not respond if I was being hounded like that.
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
13 Mar 12
"This young woman was all upset because he did not answer all her many calls she had made to him." This is a very sick person. She is looking for someone to give her the attention she craves and she craves attention because she has a mental illness. In fact, I believe that love like this IS a mental illness. I pray that I never fall in love again, have my chemicals all upset and my world turned upside down over my obsession with another person. Love is an illness, it ruins lives, it is a curse that I believe Satan himself has saddled us with. God would never have subjected us to something like that.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
13 Mar 12
oh my goodness dragon54u who hurt you so badly? real love is not an illness bu t is sent by God. when you and your mate feel unconditional love , respect and trust towards one other all is well, all will be happy in spite of the ups and downs of life your marriage would be happy. Ihope one day you meet a person who will give you the unconditional love you deserve. hugs from hatley
@jdyrj777 (6530)
• United States
13 Mar 12
Iam in agreement with you on this. Its the insecure ones that do that. Its also the insecure ones that are cheaters. They fear being dumped so start looking around before they are dumped.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
13 Mar 12
hi jdyrj777 yes its the insevue people who try to\ control their partners and also they often become unfaithful \thinking they are going to be dumped anyway. I had not thought about it before but thats also true.
• Philippines
13 Mar 12
yes, that true even young or older adult s not happy being controlled. so i think a relationship like that is like having a bodyguard 24/7 and very strict with there partner. t mean they have no trust with each other, being close does not mean reporting every minutes so the other partner get jealous thinking the other partner have no time with them. so in every relationship there s a need to cool down or let them have their space.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
13 Mar 12
yes fantasticbabe we need trust and respect with our love to maintain a happy relationship always. Controlling a person will'only lead to unhappiness and finally to breaking up the living together or the marriage.
@thanks1961 (7035)
• India
13 Mar 12
Hi Hatley, Thoug it is hard to beleive, it is a real fact and I am sure that your experience is really worthy. Thank-s
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
13 Mar 12
hi thanks 1961 its hard to believ but its true we must trust as well as respect each other then unconditional love will be complete and we will not feel we need to check n the person until we drive him or her away from us.
@yspmyl (3435)
• Malaysia
13 Mar 12
Hi Hatley, You are correct, a guy do not like someone to follow, checking, controlling and keep asking him all the time. Most of the time, a guy will like to be free rather than being control, they will be scared and that will make them run away. . Instead to keep calling him, she should pretend no too care about him and let him worried about her, and in that ways, the relationship will be longer and stronger. As the physiology of a man, if the girl keep tagging to him and make him feel controlled and lost his freedom, he will definitely fly away as quicker as you can't even think of.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
13 Mar 12
hi yspmyl although I am an elderly female I do feel like you do as I think the guy feels suffocated like she wants to control everything about him. I do not like to be treated that way either and some men do the s ame thing to the woman they claim to love. I think it all boils down to trust. If you trust and love and also respect your man or boyfriend you will be loved and trusted and respected back. Adults do not want to have to anser to someone else every second of the day,its like the other person is saying I do not trust y ou. thats no fair at all.
@louievill (28851)
• Philippines
13 Mar 12
I think this happens because it's natural for every individual to have some sort of breathing space in any relationship.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
13 Mar 12
hi louievill we all need that breathing space and that feeling that our loved one also trusts and respects us. we need all three, love, trust and respect to make a happy and fulfilling relationship ]or marriage.
13 Mar 12
There could be various reasons why some girls act that way sometimes or let me say oftentimes. It could be a sign of mistrust, jelousy, caring or just addictive to call her boyfriend. All these because of love. But if we really love the person we need not monitor every move each one make. That could be a suffocating for a person who doesnt want to controlled of anybody even if they have a relationship. The point here is, we should give each one a space of time.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
13 Mar 12
hi jobfindonline if we trulyt love someone we need to t r ust and resxpect that person. so if we t rust we will not need to c all evedry little while to see if the person is cheating or not' we will know he or she is faithful.
@GardenGerty (160615)
• United States
13 Mar 12
There is a big difference between love and desperation. I think of the saying from the 70's, and that may be the one you are thinking of as well. If you love something, set it free, if it comes back to you it is yours, if it does not, it never was. Anyway, it went something like that.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
13 Mar 12
hi garden gerty that is the saying and I have found its pretty true too. The thing I loved about my husband and now my adult son is when they were out and came back, when they saw me they lit up like the sun had come out. I loved my mom but she never lit up like that. My son does the same thing when he comes to see me, he seems to be lighted up I cannot exactly describe it but its as though they had been searching for me fro a long time then suddenly they found me. I paid attention to the saying,and its truth he always came back to me.Even dogs will do that and some cats. I had a cat that would follow me all over the farm like my dog, odd little thing but she did keep track of me. I am thinking desperation when I remember what the young lady said about her boy friend., I felt like if you do not trust him you must know something we don't knoe so if he has not been faithful why are you hanging onto him?
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
13 Mar 12
Hi Hatley! What you say is true not only for lovers but for any kind of love /--even children would find it stifling. Regarding your last sentence, I find this is the trend of many modern young women.They have far too many expectations and behave this way. People, by and large would always be the same and and their respective partners protest or run away. Then they will realise it and either come to terms with it or as is the current trend, go their merry ways.They will resist it at first. The older generations were more tolerant and had fewer expectations.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
13 Mar 12
hi kalav56 Yes it also wo rks the same with children, we must have trust and respect for children too as well as mates. Love and trust 'and respect go together to make a happy relationship always' and with the tr ust and respect we c an lose their love for us.
@AmbiePam (92410)
• United States
12 Mar 12
That sounds like a very needy, insecure person. They'll be lucky to hang on to anyone with that behavior.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
13 Mar 12
Hi AmbiePam Yes I thought so too as if she just did not think she could trust him out of her sight. I doubt if they will last long so hope they are not married. she never said but I assume moderns do not take to marriage as they claim people are always divorcing .well boy howdy whats withe the four kids fromn four different fathers in 13 years, sounds just like being divorced over an over, same difference to me.
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@airasheila (5454)
• Philippines
13 Mar 12
A pleasant day Hatley, What you have posted is indeed right. The more you hold the relationship, the more it tends to burst. Hence, this type of relationship is irritating. Thus, a healthy relationship should be balance in all aspect.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
13 Mar 12
hi airsheila yes we have to trust eachother and have respect for each other to have real love. controlling a person can onoly lead to disrespect of the other person, and from that to breaking up completely..love unconditionally with respect and trust will make us happy and not wanting to control the other'person at all.
@jujunme (2501)
• United States
13 Mar 12
Hi Friend: This girl sounds very insecure and needing to call her boyfriend several times a day shows a lack of trust in him as well. Instead of bringing him closer to her,she is actually pushing him away. since no one wants to be controlled or made to feel as if they aren't trusted.and the fact that she becomes upset when he doesn't answer, shows how little she does trust him. I fear if she continues doing what she is doing, sooner or later she just may lose him altogether.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
13 Mar 12
hi jujunme Yes that is what I thought too and the more incessant the phoning the more he will evade her.She is going to drive him away with all that. Nobody likes to be checked on like a little kid so he will resent it greatly. I wonder how she would feel if he checked on her ten times a day. you have to trust to have a relationship in the first place.
@jjzone44 (917)
• United States
12 Mar 12
Love is many things to many people, as it is not easily or specifically defined. Love is basically different between mates, parents and children, even children have a different love for their parents as their parents do for them. Love is not controlling, either actively or passively, and the more someone tries to hold onto something, the more it wants to be free, that is true. A person can smother another with love, and that is not good. A person deprived of air will desire it, even to the point of fighting to get it. Fighting does not need to be physical, pulling away and making a conscious effort to stay away can be representative of a fight. If you watch people in love, you will no doubt see people who seem to be always together when they can be, and you will see people that seem quite far apart. They never seem to do things together unless it's necessary, or a family vacation. Then there will be couples that are somewhere in between the two extremes. As long as both partners agree with the arrangement and call it love, who can say differently? You are absolutely correct, no one wants to be controlled all the time, people need space to "fall" in love, not be roped and hog-tied into it.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
15 Mar 12
jjzone that is amazing that the computers we literally worship at their shrine were to be for benefit of faster data storage and retrievable.b ut I am so glad mylot extended itself to allow 'people from all over to reach out and talk to e ch other.'make friends and share good and bad times too.You are right we do not know whats going to happen next so we should treat unconditional love with gentleness and nourish it do not smother it or it will die. I have to say I learn many new things here eaqch day on mylot. Thinking back I do not think I ever regrette marrying the man I love even if my father really disapproved. I did not re gret having two children but of course I wished we could have been allowed to keep our daugher til she grew up but God felt otherwi
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@jjzone44 (917)
• United States
15 Mar 12
Hi Hatley, You are right not to have any regrets about anything that has happened in your life, especially marrying your husband. And I think most of us have a tale to tell about one parent or another questioning our choice of mates. I learn much here on mylot as well, and it's fun to share and learn even more, and of course meet new people. Some share your ideas, others not so much, but that is what makes life fun. If we all agreed on everything, life would be very predictable, and very boring. I am sorry to hear of the passing of your daughter, but in reality you still have her. Every time you think of her or mention her, she is still here. Parents are not supposed to bury their children, so that of course makes it harder.
@jjzone44 (917)
• United States
13 Mar 12
Thank you Hatley. That's the fun of people watching, guessing like that, because if you think about the reality of life, we don't know what will happen to us next, anymore than a guess. Sure we make plans and have goals and the like, but life is all about goals realized, goals not met, and the goals we never knew we set, until we achieve them. For example, the computer was originally designed to make life easier for data storage and retrieval. It surely met that goal, but who would have thought that a collection of electronic components could allow people to meet and talk with others around the world? A monumental achievement for something that was not originally intended to do that.
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