Is History Relavent to Todays Issues?
By debrakcarey
@debrakcarey (19887)
United States
March 13, 2012 1:58pm CST
'There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.” Daniel Webster
“If you don’t read the newspaper, you are uninformed. If you do read the newspaper, you are misinformed.” Mark Twain
“I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.” Thomas Jefferson
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You'd think these guys were alive and writing today, but they are all part of history.
And yet our liberal friends like to think that they are doing a NEW thing, an original thing.
What do you think about history, do we need to study it or is it irrelavent?
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9 responses
@mgzg11 (139)
• Croatia (Hrvatska)
13 Mar 12
Ever since the wheel and fire were invented, nothing new had happened on Earth.
History was and will repeat itself, with some slight changes, just to fit in present times.
Since you like quotes from wise people, I'll add something from George Orwell. Not really a quote, but general idea of societies through the history. He wrote in "1984" that in every society in human history, there were two classes of people. Those who rule, and those whose been ruled upon. Ruling class tend to be conservative, and trying to keep things as they are. This causing gradual decay of moral and often physical state of ruling elite. On the opposite side, in majority that is ruled upon, periodically, a new class of people start to forming. As ruling class is getting weaker, this new group is getting proportionally stronger. They present themselves as progressive and promise to the masses that if they support them and help them to overturn ruling class, they will be better masters (to use the words from your first quote). And of course, since change is natural tendency, change of ruling elite will happened sooner or later, with more or less bloodshed. And that's what is happening now.
Being conservative is your personal choice, but from my point of view is just futile. Never in history conservatives actually succeed in keeping the things unchanged, so I don't think that now will be any different.
It's not that I'm very liberal, but I think that is more opportune to side with those who might win at the end. And trying to avoid unnecessary conflicts if it's possible.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
14 Mar 12
http://www.lewrockwell.com/dieteman/dieteman33.html
Or maybe this is the reason they are so calm and easily led?
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
14 Mar 12
Or maybe we need to consider this when speaking of Sweden's socialism success:
http://www.forbes.com/global/2001/0319/034.html
Seems like cradle to grave welfare is no fun. They'd rather have careers and earn their own money.
@mgzg11 (139)
• Croatia (Hrvatska)
14 Mar 12
About socialism, it never really existed. I know few things about it since I'm living in "ex socialist" country.
About socialism in Sweden, fact is that they had socialist governments for 50 or so years after WW2. Now they are in liberal capitalism as well, and going down with the rest of the world. And fact is that government that take care of benefits of it's people is better than one that takes care of certain small part of it. That's what the socialist governments of Sweden did in past, and have a success with it.
Only real socialist or communist organizations are kibbutz communities in Israel. Originally, they didn't have private property, everybody were participate in work and results were shared equally. Using a past tense here, because I read that is changing now, and more people demand to have private houses and vehicles.
@factorial (977)
• Philippines
14 Mar 12
Yes, it is relevant so that we will not commit the same mistakes so that we can enjoy the future.
@factorial (977)
• Philippines
14 Mar 12
By the way debrakcarey, do you know who is the father of Adolf Hitler?
@rogue13xmen13 (14402)
• United States
13 Mar 12
Yes, always, but the problem is that many of us are misinformed or we easily believe what the politicians and people in the media tell us. I think that Mark Twain is right, then again, he was a smart man, and saw the hypocrisy. Our fore fathers were much more intelligent than many of us give them credit for. They knew what could happen if they did structure our government in a way where no one individual got too much power.
There is a reason that we have Checks and Balances, but some people forget that we have this. No one group, or no one individual should ever get or have too much power.
History is always relevant to today, and history can always repeat itself. Most people have no idea how close we are, or how close we have come, to having another Great Depression. People have no idea how close this country has come to going to war with countries that could have destroyed us (China, 'nuff said).
We need to learn history so that we don't repeat it.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
13 Mar 12
I love history studies. Even as a kid I did. Read everything I could get my hands on. And that was in the day when you had to actually learn it. Constitutional tests to graduate 8th grade.
It is funny, my mom was a die hard democrat, she didn't talk or act or believe like they do today. The agenda has changed.
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@stealthy (8181)
• United States
13 Mar 12
History should be considered and is very relevant today. What I worry about is that I see and hear a lot of very politically liberal view points being taught in public school and in most colleges. So I worry that a very biased history is being taught. When you add this to what appears to be a long standing liberal bias by most of national media, the fear is that a lot of young people are in effect brainwashed by the time they are old enough to participate in society. This makes them very susceptible to believing promises and lies that politician spew out to get elected when all these politicians are seeking is power.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
13 Mar 12
Have you got that right! The textbooks written today contain outright lies, distortions and half truths when it comes to history and the social studies.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
14 Mar 12
It is why I homeschooled. I'd read and studied history and was determinded that my kids would learn what I had learned.
Kids in some school districts ARE being subtly told that teacher knows better than mom and dad.
@bagarad (14283)
• Paso Robles, California
14 Mar 12
That's why many people are home schooling and teaching their children the unrevised version of history and the Constitution. The liberals took over the universities and teacher's colleges first, so the teachers have been brainwashed. It's no wonder that today's public school students are being taught propaganda. If this gang continues to walk over the Constitution without having Congress raise cain about it, they will probably ban home schooling and make private schools adhere to the same propaganda to stay in business. Parents will have to teach their children the truth at home even if their children are in school. But that, of course, will probably be found out, since the next phase is for students to spy on their parents and report politically incorrect speech or behavior.
That's where we are headed, and if Obama isn't stopped by this election, we may not get another chance.
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
13 Mar 12
Well, you know the old saying about those who don't pay attention to history are doomed to repeat it. We are in a scenario right now that's been repeated dozens of times throughout the ages as nations fell due to corruption and laziness.
I love Mark Twain, he was so witty.
What are people doing now that they think is original?
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
13 Mar 12
All the things we discuss on here, all the things that need to be stopped. Like you say; history repeating itself. The liberals of today do not realize that the progressive programs and ideology they're so fond of have all been used before. I'm hoping Americans will wake up and see that they've been tried and what the outcome was, before it's to late.
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@camomile07 (1420)
• Germany
21 Aug 12
During the history, many persons did several mistakes, but also goog things has been done. We should learn history and from the mistakes others committed to try not to repeat the same ones and we also can learn from the good things to try to do similar. History is very important to me and, as I think,for everyone. Apart from this, it's also interesting to see how people lived in the passed without the inventions we have nowadays.
@kenzie45230 (3560)
• United States
14 Mar 12
The Bible tells us there is nothing new under the sun. We are bound to repeat history if we don't know history and learn from it. But, liberals claim they can "do socialism better." Right. What works is capitalism. That is what made America great.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
14 Mar 12
Beware of ANYBODY who tells you they can do better than what has worked for over 200 years. Beware anybody who tells you that what has failed over and over, will somehow suddenly work.
I agree Kenzie. Good to see you once again. I missed my friends here while I was offline.
@yzb523 (8)
• China
14 Mar 12
Apparently , we need to show concern about history in this international world now .If you are a American , you need to know something about Civil War ,which always cause problems between black people and the white people. It is easy to meet the racial discrimination in America,right ? Not only the black-white relation, but also white -yellow relation face vast problems . I think there are many reason ,but one of them must be history ,such as World War Two and War to Resist U.S.Aggression and aid Korea. They always make two or more contries on the horn of a delemma. Moverover , surely yellow -yellow relation faces many challeges now ,especially sovereign rights and historical deletion . Most of you may know Massacre in Nanjing, it's so horrible . You can imagine how difficult for a contry has 13 billion people to change their attitude toward an island contry. Time will see how these happen in the future .
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
15 Mar 12
Racial relations were getting so much better, Martin Luther King's dream of only judging a man by his character was coming to pass. There are people in America who do not want the blacks and whites to get along. But for the most part, we do get along. And agree on many things. There is no hatred for Japan or Chinese. Many Americans from these countries are well respected. My children's pediatrician, their doctor is Chinese, Dr. Kang. He is a great man.
Those who are prejudice are not welcomed or well thought of here in America.
Each of our country's have a lot to be proud of. Ancient Chinese culture outdates most European countries. You should be very proud of your land and people.