Creation Science. Where is the Science?
@Chiang_Mai_boy (3882)
Thailand
March 14, 2012 8:54pm CST
Many people think that creation should be taught alongside evolution as an alternate explanation of the way life has developed on this planet. There are even some that feel that is should be taught in stede of evolutionary science. Do you think that there is any good reason that "Creation Science" should be considered a science along with its ugly step child ID or are the courts in the U.S. correct in considering it religion?
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@matersfish (6306)
• United States
15 Mar 12
I was teasing my friend the other day about his belief in religion, but only because he called me "a foolish sheep in the herd of the damned."
I poured out an entire bag of M&Ms on the table. I left them all in a pile except for one lone M&M. I told him, "Hey, as an agnostic, I don't think my lack of belief is that crazy. You see this pile? I believe the truth to our existence can be any one of those many, many things, plus many more. You, on the other hand, believe that all answers lie in that one thing. Anything you can't explain - it's the one thing. All of existence, all life, all of everything - the one thing."
And that's on topic with this, I believe. This is why creation should not be taught as legitimate science. It all goes back to one thing and one thing only - a god. There's a god and then there's everything else. The people who don't believe in a god will examine and entertain everything else. The people who do believe craft everything so it comes back to that one thing.
There's Sunday school for creation science. There's home school or private school for those who want their children to learn that Jesus makes the rainbows.
Doesn't creation science have to be religion? How can it not be? It comes back to that one thing. Creationists I know aren't saying that it could be anyone's god or any divine being; they insist it is the one they believe in. It's rigged science from the start. The conclusion is set; there's no search for truth.
I have my own beliefs on these matters, and I don't necessarily believe that removing religion from schools completely is the way to go. But let's not pretend that creationism is anything but organized religion's attempt to hijack work that they would never do, as they're content to believe it all comes back to the one thing.
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@iuliuxd (4453)
• Romania
15 Mar 12
I think Creationism is not a science and Evolutionism is not a science.They are both religions and they should be removed from schools.God did it or Big Bang did it have the same scientific value both are beliefs.Just because a large part of the academic world chooses to follow the second religion it doesn`t make it a science.
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@Chiang_Mai_boy (3882)
• Thailand
15 Mar 12
How do you define a science as opposed to a religion and what differentiates a science from a religion.
@Chiang_Mai_boy (3882)
• Thailand
15 Mar 12
Not bad! Now show how evolutionary science is a religion and not a science.
@urbandekay (18278)
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15 Mar 12
Creation 'science' is just not a science.
What makes something a science.
1. Falsifiability; science makes statements that are open to refutation. So, we must ask what statement of creation 'science' is open to refutation, none thinks I
2. Repeatability; knowledge that is derived from experimentation must be repeatable. Creation 'science' is, as far as I know, not based on experimentation and therefore not repeatable
3. Experimental evidence must be conducted with certain criteria, double blind study, peer review, etc. for instance. Creation 'science' again ruled out for reasons above
Now, does evolution by natural selection meet these criteria?
1. Falsifiability; well a single case of spontaneous generation would refute the theory
2. Repeatability: evolution on a microbial scale is open to such but on a larger scale falls down a bit, perhaps only due to time scale
3. No problem here
In conclusion, creation 'science' is not a science at all, evolution by natural selection may well be
But does that mean creation 'science' should not be taught? No, though it should be taught honestly not as a science. Neither is it religion, it is ridiculous to think all knowledge is either science or religion.
all the best urban
@Chiang_Mai_boy (3882)
• Thailand
16 Mar 12
I am in agreement in all but your statement that creation science is not based on a religious principle. While all knowledge can not be separated into science and religion I do not see how you can remove religion from creation science.
@urbandekay (18278)
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16 Mar 12
I did not deny that creation 'science' is BASED on religious principles only that, strictly speaking, it is not religion
all the best urban
@Pose123 (21635)
• Canada
16 Mar 12
Hi Chiang, There is no science to creationism and the courts are right in calling it religion. The churches are already doing enough harm to children by indoctrinating them at a young age. There is no proof whatsoever for creationism, nothing but myths found in some old books. Blessings.
@Chiang_Mai_boy (3882)
• Thailand
17 Mar 12
While I agree that creation science is based on religion I do not see the harm that churches are doing. Religion has always played an important part in society and I do not see religious education as being indoctrination.
@Chiang_Mai_boy (3882)
• Thailand
19 Mar 12
Runite no one here is advocating religious instruction in the public school system.
@Runite (307)
• United States
19 Mar 12
It's in our constitution that Church and State must be separated. Society isn't education and that Religion is another part of society. I do not want to waste my school hours on something I have a disbelief of, not even mentioning the other deities that exists.
@bird123 (10643)
• United States
15 Mar 12
How about just teach the school kids the evidence and allow them to make their own conclusions. Of course, there must be evidence rather than mere beliefs written in a holy book. Still, I don't think it would be bad to tell the children some think God created it all. This can be done without holding religion classes.
@Chiang_Mai_boy (3882)
• Thailand
15 Mar 12
I have no problem with teaching students the evidence but this leaves creation science out in the cold since it has no physical evidence to present.
@Chiang_Mai_boy (3882)
• Thailand
15 Mar 12
I don't teach my students that anything caused it. I teach them, using the best evidence we have, how it happened.
@ecaron (678)
• Canada
15 Mar 12
I think religion and science are two separate things. Some schools like Catholic schools have religious subjects and science subjects separated. Evolution and science should be taught separately from religion because science can often be proven and religion is beliefs that people may choose to believe or not, anyway, that's what I think.
@samar54 (2454)
• Egypt
15 Mar 12
Do you think this would be if what science is evidenced by a consistent manner and not as a theory, really exists in religion?
@god_is_good (683)
• Philippines
15 Mar 12
Creation is not a subject I guess. Creation viewed in view of scientific terms is the science of studying how the created beings and things come into the world. However, with our eyes, we can see a wonderful creation. With our ears, we can hear, with our mind, we can reason, with our nose, we can smell, with our heart, we can feel. Evolution of creation is good to study but saying that everything just happens in a big-bang is never scientific. It's not about religion but it's about reason and logic.