Do we really need religion?
By Pose123
@Pose123 (21635)
Canada
March 17, 2012 7:24am CST
Recently I read something that got me thinking about religion and whether or not we would be better off with it. The exact quote was:"without religion we would still have good people doing good things and bad people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, we need religion". Do you agree with this or do you think that religion has done more good than harm in the world? I was raised a Christian and have spent a lot of time studying and meditating upon the teachings of Christ as found in the four gospels, and it's my opinion that Jesus Christ had no intention of starting a religion. His teachings were all about a way of life, in fact he was very critical of what religion had done to the Jewish people. All religions are man made and seem to be more about worldly power than anything else. Although many won't admit it, it has been religion that has been the biggest opponent of the fight for human rights, everything from slavery to women's rights to gay rights. More and more people seem to agree that religion often makes good people do bad things, so would we be better off without it? Your thoughts please.
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@starsailover (7829)
• Mexico
18 Mar 12
Hi Pose: That's actually a pretty good question. I like my religion but I think at the same time that we should be smart enough to respect other points of views and make our differences. Religions are good if they are a guide to us but if we use them as a weapon to create divisions and to hate people, I think they could be bad. I think that more important than the institutions, religion should be viewed as a style of life. And that's the way it could be considered as a good thing.
ALVARO
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@Pose123 (21635)
• Canada
25 Mar 12
Hi starsailover, Thank you for commenting and we think much alike on this. I have nothing against people who are content and have found peace in their way, as long as they understand that there can be many ways. Christians should follow Christ's injunction to neither judge nor condemn. Blessings.
@Chiang_Mai_boy (3882)
• Thailand
18 Mar 12
I don't really think we can discard religion. If you distill religion down to its essence and remove all of its different sects you are left with a set of behaviors that are universal to the human species. This universality would imply that there is something at the base of religion that is genetic and an evolved trait. Evolved traits are hard to shed.
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@Chiang_Mai_boy (3882)
• Thailand
18 Mar 12
crossbones27 possibly we need a definition. When I am speaking about a religion I am talking about a group of behaviors and what a religion does. For a religion to be an evolved trait it must confer an advantage. I can see religion doing this but I have a harder time seeing how spirituality can. Don't think about religion in its current form. Think about the essence of religion and what it does for a society.
@crossbones27 (49703)
• Mojave, California
18 Mar 12
juuukem, every one has their different beliefs. Chaing, I can see what you are saying, but give it a couple hundred years and it will go from religion to spirituality once we learn more things. Society needs religion to set an example of good, well at least for the people who do not use religion for the wrong reasons. My philosophy is more of the Native American way, were they believed in the Earth, Moon, Sun and the rest of the stars. So spirituality has been around for just as long if not longer it just gets over shadowed by civilized religion. Obviously not as many people believe in that. So yes religion would impact society more, whether one sees it positive is up to each individual. Is that some where in the ballpark or did I totally miss the boat.
@crossbones27 (49703)
• Mojave, California
18 Mar 12
I disagree with you on one point. I do not think religion is "genetic" and an evolved trait." I will say spirituality might be a "genetic and an evolved trait." Religion is just a man made creation that has gotten out of control, and has been out of control for a longtime now.
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@taheraa (1545)
• Giza, Egypt
18 Mar 12
Religion is something fundamental in our lives, it is platform and the right path in life to the slaves of God. God revealed the Quran to mankind for their happiness,and guide them to do good things and stay away from bad things during dealing with God, others as will as the dealing with themselves.
Religion is the foundation of all other sciences, we must strive in our study of our religion, in order to succeed in all our lives at home and work.
@taheraa (1545)
• Giza, Egypt
22 Mar 12
Mind the greatest thing God has given us.
Read and understand before you speak or write anything to be answered by:
No comment!!!
@Graptopetalum (1807)
• Canada
23 Mar 12
taheraa, yes people should use their minds. Unfortunately a lot of people are stupid enough to believe that Mohammad was a prophet when the Koran is clearly a pathetic rip-off of the Bible. Have you tried to understand the Bible?
@Graptopetalum (1807)
• Canada
21 Mar 12
Funny, the Quran seems to bring far more misery than happiness.
@angemac23 (2003)
• Canada
26 Mar 12
No, we do not need religion. What we need are more people getting out there and helping to solve the problems of the world instead of getting down on their knees praying for "god" to do it.
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@Graptopetalum (1807)
• Canada
29 Mar 12
Often if you get down on your knees and pray for God to do it, God tells you to do something about it.
@aerous (13434)
• Philippines
19 Mar 12
If you believe that religion is useless I appreciate it even do I don't agree with it. If there is no religion at all what will be happen to us. Do you think people know their boundaries in doing bad things and so on...?
If no religion, at all do you think we accept that doing wrong is our sin? There are many questions to ask if there is no religion being exist in our world, my friend.
Accept the fact that there is no religion the day we know how to used the internet? But how ignorant will be if you and me don't accept what is right and what is wrong because as what I did is all correct...did you agree with me.
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@Chiang_Mai_boy (3882)
• Thailand
19 Mar 12
Why do we need a religion to know what is right and what is wrong? Do I need religion to know that it is wrong to kill or steal from my neighbor?
@Chiang_Mai_boy (3882)
• Thailand
22 Mar 12
No, I am not an atheist but your statement about atheists is biased and prejudiced by your religious point of view. Atheists are just as constrained by ethics as you are. They just do not feel that morality needs a supernatural enforcer to figure ot what is right and wrong.
@aerous (13434)
• Philippines
21 Mar 12
Yup! Because if your an atheist there is no rule for them to follow. Just do things that something you can do even if wrong or it is right. There is no exception for something else being an atheist...Just go anywhere you want and do what you want because there is no boundary in that belief. Do good or bad it's up to you, because doing anything will not bother you if that actions you do is good or right?
Are you an atheist, my friend?
@lifes97 (884)
• United Arab Emirates
17 Mar 12
without religion means without believes, without rules witout ethics, can you live without these things, no body can live without these things, life will be messy and meanning less, how you think makes who you are and make you either good person or bad the religion do not force you to do anything, its the human mind decided to do things so do not blame it on any thing or subject
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@grandpa_lash (5225)
• Australia
18 Mar 12
lifes, do you truly believe that one can only have ethics and rules if they believe in God? Because if so, you're wrong. And be damned to your right to an opinion.
Lash
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@iuliuxd (4453)
• Romania
18 Mar 12
Lifes don`t listen to these people i think you are right.If there is no God then Hitler was right and we should start to abuse the weak.We should abolish the laws and start the only reasonable law and that is the law of the jungle or as their preacher Darwin said the preservation of favoured races in the struggle for life.
There is no morality outside religion, the oldest Code of laws known to man was written because the gods commanded that and every time the society got rid of religion that society ended up on a blood bath.I lived 20 years in an atheist regime and i know how the world they preach looks like.
@tonyllenium (6252)
• Italy
29 Mar 12
it is a difficult question such as it is difficult understand if without a religious beleif people would be bette or not!!In general religion gives you positive view of life and about others and so trying to achiev positive goal in your life naturally there are also people that misaunderstand reglion and its beloef and so it wouldn't be so positive...i think religion isn't bad for society also because the real choice is made by you and religion beliefs!!
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@bellis716 (4799)
• United States
19 Mar 12
That quote that you read does not make good sense to me.
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@matersfish (6306)
• United States
19 Mar 12
Does we need religion?
No. Religion needs us. Religion is like Tinkerbell - a fairy that'll die once people decide they don't believe.
People tend to naturally follow. We're all guilty of this in one way or another. But there is no purpose religion serves that it is "needed" by anyone.
I'm not saying the world would be any better or worse without it. We'd be indifferent.
The way I view things, religion was the natural evolution of thought. Replay our evolution a million times and we'd come out the same in terms of projecting the best of ourselves onto mythical things to seek understanding. But without religion, we would have still done just fine.
I say this because I already do not believe that it was a god who shouted down and lit a bush and etched 10 commandments and all that. I believe it was men. (I would be PC and say women too, but judging how women are viewed and treated in most religions, it's obvious that only men had the say lmao)
Man created the laws and the standards back then. We still create them today. When people lean on religion, they're leaning on the words of their predecessors on this planet, so it's obvious that religion isn't needed.
As far as all the evil that has happened over religion, again, that's just naturally how we would--and still will--progress. Wars were fought for salt and nutmeg and women and everything else. Killing in the name of religion is another foot of snow in a huge blizzard.
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@Pose123 (21635)
• Canada
27 Mar 12
Hi materfish, Thank you for your interesting response, it's clear that you have thought a lot about this. Early man created God to explain what they could not understand and religion grew out of that idea. Whether we need religion or not, it is obvious that many people think that they do. I think that eventually religion well change and become something completely different. Blessings.
@bing28 (3795)
• Philippines
19 Mar 12
I think we need a religion that would remind us of God's existence. That would remind us of doing good things not bad. We need a religion for us to have a direction that would guide us towards an eternal life. We need a religion for us to have self discipline, self confidence, courage and hope. Self discipline as in religion we became God fearing. We gain self confidence as we believe God is with us. There's courage and hope as we believe God will not forsake us. Religion teaches us to love ourselves, our neighbors and love God. If we don't have religion maybe we'll just do what we want to. There are religions that maybe not perfect but people know what to follow or not. That's why others maybe change their religion if they observe something not doing them good. I believe though religions are doing more good to people than bad.
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@Pose123 (21635)
• Canada
27 Mar 12
Hi bing, Thank you for sharing your thoughts here and I'm sure that like everything, religion has both good and bad points. I don't think that we need religion to be good people however,and you seem to suggest that we may. We are spiritual beings and will always be seeking for some meaning to life, we also need hope but we can have these things without the religions that we have created. Too much power and influence have made religion more material than spiritual. Blessings.
@edxcast (1168)
• Ecuador
1 Apr 12
Hi Pose123
I found interesting you say that was not Jesus intent, when in the gospels He clearly says: "I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church" (Mathew 16:18). Not all religions are man made. I know that in jewish-christian begins, it was God who look up for Abraham (read that story). Jesus was the one who funded His religion, and He was God Himself, so no it wasn´t man made.Christ funded the Catholic religion.
I don´t agree with the last statements you say. For example the Catholic Church is one of the institutions who has more hospitals, asylum, orphanage houses, in the world (specially in Africa).
I´m guessing what you might say here so I´m responding already. Yes, catholics has made some things that weren´t accord to what they preach. But that doesn´t mean anything. People do good things and people do bad things. Our essence is not one or another (good or evil). People do bad things not because of religion, but because they don´t follow their religion.
Finally I want to say that we can be good without religion. It´s true (read ethics writings in greek times for example). But for our lifes to have some real meaning, to understand our purpose, it is only through religion, and hence through God, that one can be not just good, but perfect as God is perfect (Mathew 5:48)
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@Pose123 (21635)
• Canada
1 Apr 12
Hi edxcast, Thank you for sharing and I agree that there are good things done by religious organizations and churches. I know the quote you refer to quite well but Jesus taught us how to live. I feel that the only religion we need is the golden rule. Blessings.
@averygirl72 (37845)
• Philippines
17 Mar 12
Your topic is same with mine but I like your own thoughts here. Really, there is danger in religion and being too religious. Most of the time the most popular religions are nothing but Cults. We don't need religion, we need Jesus only- as He said, No one comes to the Father except through Me. When you accept a religion sometimes weird teachings, weird practices will be instilled on you. There are negative sides to religions too.
I guess non-religious organizations that do social works, feeding the poor, teaching poor children on the streets, visiting the sick, giving help and doing lots of good things to other people, being environment friendly-can be better than religions. Teaching livelihood, teaching good manners and right conduct is far better than doing stuffs just to make you feel holy-or have the false holiness.
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@Graptopetalum (1807)
• Canada
29 Mar 12
averygirl, you sound rather bigoted saying that "most popular religions are nothing but Cults." How many religions have you studied? "Cult" is one of these words that people use to demean things they don't like. Technically a cult uses a combination of low protein diet (I know, you can have a vegetarian diet that's perfectly healthy - but this isn't what these groups do), deprivation of privacy and lack of sleep to brainwash people. ("Brainwash" is a word people often use to mean instilling some belief they don't like but here I'm defining it independently from the belief.) Most religions are not cults (you can sometimes get cults within a generally non-cult religion, e.g. the Hare Krishnas in Hinduism). Sometimes non religious organizations are cults (Amway used to be notorious but you don't hear much about it now).
@samar54 (2454)
• Egypt
17 Mar 12
Certainly needs to religion in human life,with evidence that it does not know God creates for himself a god to worship, man needs to worship God and go to him when calamities to ask him to help, thanks also go to him when there's a good thing for him.May have good people doing good and bad people doing bad things, but the presence of religion in their lives makes them think of times before doing bad, too bad they may one day stop on the work of evil deeds,because they feared punishment from God for them.
Not all the religions of man-made religions of this applies to land only.If you mean what happened in the change of religion, it is true that man-made .
I see that we are not better off if we were without religion, but the opposite is true.
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@samar54 (2454)
• Egypt
23 Mar 12
Pose123
"some religions are like big business."
This is not the fault of religion but of human error, God come down the religion, by the right way,
but people over the years , they change the religion and the result is to distort the true religion . thanks Pose123 , Blessings you too.
@gjabaigar (2200)
• Philippines
18 Mar 12
With or without religion there will always be good and evil people.
What makes a religion bad as of today modern society are because of liberalizations, democratization and secularization. The internet and other form of social medias globally we are all having a universal information libraries of knowledge and wisdom emerging in a fast paced.
But, no of course we can not leave-off from religions these are the roots of all every civilizations from ancient or to modern society. And, maybe beyond.
Just live with it or be like a long bearded lonely untidy hermit. All of these as just matter of choices. And, life are just full of choices.
Always be grateful and be thankful of what we have now. Everything and everyone are blessings.
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@derek_a (10873)
•
18 Mar 12
It is my opinion that we would do well to follow the teachings of the great masters who the orthodox religion has been built around as they all teach the same thing.. Mostly is about forgiving. To have world peace if everybody followed that on teaching of being willing to forgive then there would be no need for anything else. As I see it, most orthodox religion thinks it is the only religion that has the truth or is the only true religion. How can this be so, if forgiveness is at the root of the teaching? What religions really do forgive? Tolerance and non-interference is the way of Zen and as a Zen practitioner myself, I would say that Zen is not a religion, but a way of life. _Derek
@Graptopetalum (1807)
• Canada
21 Mar 12
derek, Islam is very forgiving or perhaps Mohammad doesn't count as a great master.
@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
17 Mar 12
A truer word was never spoken! Religion has been the World's Greatest sin! But all is not lost, as the consciousness of the world continues to rise, people become better educated, and leave the church. There is a dearth of priests and pastors training for the ministry,and the empty churches are falling into disrepair. After 2000 years, Christianity, and all its evils, is on the way out! Thank God for that!
@Chiang_Mai_boy (3882)
• Thailand
17 Mar 12
Religion does not necessarily equate to Christianity. There are a lot of different religions in the world.
@PointlessQuestions (15397)
• United States
18 Mar 12
@ Chiang Mai Boy
I agree. There are many religions out there. I don't believe one religion is superior over another. I believe that all religions must be equal, even if they have different belief systems.
@ Barehugs,
A look back at history will prove out many people have been killed in the name OF Christ or FOR the name of CHRIST. Look at the Christians who were fed to the lions for entertainment of the Romans. There has been evil done by PEOPLE whether they were of PAGAN or CHRISTIAN beliefs, but the people were not killed by GOD.
The problem is that PEOPLE don't just LIVE and LET LIVE. We should be more accepting of people rather than grouping people as evil or good. Not every Christian is good, and not every Buddhist is bad.
@savypat (20216)
• United States
18 Mar 12
I have thought a lot about this discussion. So here is what I think. Mankind has a
hugh need to answer the questions how and why, we are not comfortable until we have come up with these answers. The answers maybe right or wrong that doesn't seem to be as important as having some answer. Religion is a great comfort to us, and seems to have been with us since the begining. So I think yes we need religion. However, on the negative side of religion is the creation of power over
others, we can't seem to help this, we abuse this, instead of using that power to give saftey and comfort we use it to gain wealth and status. We must also need this in some twisted way, or we would have done away with it a long time ago. Religion being a creation of power and knowledge has done much to develope mankind into wht we see now. I include Science as a religion in this need. Churches being an offshoot of this as are Universities seem to still be needed or again we would have done away with these. I think in the future, with our wonderful increase in communication and spread of knowledge the churches and universities may be gone, maybe within the next generaion or so. However religion evolves I think it will still be a need of mankind. Even for people like me who have no religion, I became that way by study of existing religions.
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@Pose123 (21635)
• Canada
27 Mar 12
Hi savypat, As always I have great respect for your opinion and especially when you say that you have given it a lot of thought. There is certainly no doubt but that most people need something and some religions do put a great emphasis on practicing compassion and peace. Having said that, it must also be clear to anyone who has studied the history of religion, that a great deal of evil has been done in it's name. Some of my problems with it include the fact that it often leads good people to do bad things, just because the Bible or another Holy book says that they should - or they are convinced that it does. Religion tries to indoctrinate children long before they are old enough to make rational decisions for themselves, and many believe that they alone are right and it's their duty to convert others, thus causing more problems, dissensions, and even wars. I don't think we need religions that operate like a big business but we do need love, compassion and a respect for others and their rights. Thank you for sharing. Blessings.
@apples99 (6556)
• United States
18 Mar 12
True Spirituality is not a matter of need it's a natural thing that most people have within themselves weather they acknowledge it or not faith and spirituality is part of humanity in some form no matter if we think it's necessary or not
As for structured religion such as faith taught by books and through preacher's I respect those who choose to preach what the feel is the word of god but I've learned through my short adult life that people don't like to be preached at or made to feel that who they are and what they like, and think is wrong
That said I still think for some people structured faith can be a great blessing for certain people because good preachers and ministers can offer comfort to those who feel lost they offer advice, and counsel much like a doctor or psychiatrist, your question is do we need religion my answer is Yes, but not the kind that looks down on humanity and makes people want to rebel against it but the kind that offers love and understanding as I believe true faith and spritulity does.
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@Pose123 (21635)
• Canada
25 Mar 12
Hi apples, Thank you for an excellent response. It' very clear that you have given some thought to this. We are spiritual beings and as such have a need to for more than what this life offers. I'm happy for anyone who have found peace and contentment, no matter where, but religion has become big business and often urges their followers to use all means to bring others to their way of thinking. We need to find a way to practice what we believe without condemning others for being themselves and thinking differently. Blessings.
@iuliuxd (4453)
• Romania
25 Mar 12
We can be good people without belonging to any religion, even without believing that there is anything beyond this life.
But that is already religion, one is a weak person so the only way he can live is to borrow some ideas from religion and to think everyone should be good.If there isn`t anything beyond this life then anything should be allowed.Get used to it.
I can understand someone who is an atheist, i can even agree that someone can be a very good person without believing in a god but that works on a personal level, it can`t work for large masses because it is illogical.
I don`t think there are such people who are not judging others.Or maybe there are 2-3 living saints.But people are not asked not to judge.People are asked to change their beliefs and accept some lies.In the name of "loving the neighbour " people are asked to accept what is contrary to their belief and contrary to the truth.I can live pretty well knowing there is a majority of people who don`t agree with me and my beliefs.Why can`t the others do the same thing ?