I found one problem about the colors of people

@sabado_dc (1001)
Philippines
March 21, 2012 4:18pm CST
--I've read from the Bible that Noah cursed Canaan and made him a slave for his brother because of the mistake of his father Ham, which implies that the descendants of ham (black people) are cursed people and are slaves. Passages here: "Noah, a man of the soil, proceeded to plant a vineyard. When he drank some of his wine, he became drunk and lay uncovered inside his tent. Ham the father of Canaan, saw his father's nakedness and told his two brothers outside... When Noah awoke from his wine and found out what his youngest son had done to him, he said, cursed be Canaan! the lowest of slaves will he be to his brothers." Genesis 9: 20-25) You may want to share on this topic?
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@lilaclady (28207)
• Australia
21 Mar 12
This is why I don't believe in the bible, for one we don't know who wrote it, and the bible is just one of the books that is supposed to be THE book, who knows plus it has been interpreted in so many ways, no-boddy know....better to listen to your inner voice.
@iuliuxd (4453)
• Romania
21 Mar 12
What if his inner voice is telling him to read the bible ?
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@lilaclady (28207)
• Australia
21 Mar 12
I don't think it would....
@iuliuxd (4453)
• Romania
21 Mar 12
You don`t know that.What do you think a big dictator`s inner voice is telling him to do ? What if my inner voice is telling me something different from what your inner voice tells you ? Who`s inner voice is right ?
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@peavey (16936)
• United States
22 Mar 12
You said it yourself, Ham was not cursed. Whether he was the beginning of black people or not doesn't matter because it was Canaan, his son, who was cursed and this Canaan was the father of the Canaanites, the people who lived in the land that God gave to Israel.
@peavey (16936)
• United States
27 Mar 12
I thought of that, 1hopefulman, but decided not to jump in with both feet. Ham is considered to be "the father" of the black race because some of his sons inhabited Africa. Maybe they were, but it had nothing to do with Canaan, who stayed in the land area where Israel partly put them out much later. They were subjected to the "Hamites" in Egypt, then to the "Shemites" (Israel) and then to the "Japhethites" or the Greeks. This is a good example of why we shouldn't take one verse or portion of scripture and try to build something on it.
@1hopefulman (45120)
• Canada
27 Mar 12
The problem with this discussion is that no evidence was presented to show that either Ham or Canaan were black?
@sabado_dc (1001)
• Philippines
22 Mar 12
Because it is better than describing them like an animal check Matthew15v25and26
@1hopefulman (45120)
• Canada
27 Mar 12
Just curious! How do you know Ham was black?
@sabado_dc (1001)
• Philippines
28 Mar 12
1hopefulman, Would you mind if I ask you? In this new generation, talking about slaves, before the intertribal slavery, what race do you think they were? And, at that time, what race do you think were the slaveholders? I am so sorry if my topic created a fundamental problem as you termed it but I would be more than happy if you could answer my questions. Don't worry about the impact because people knew it even before that I was not yet born. It became a chapter if not a partial part of our lessons in our history / religion books / textbooks! You desire for a passage coming from the bible, I 'll try....
@marie2052 (3691)
• United States
22 Mar 12
Sometimes I think there are many mysteries of the Bible that not even a minister or Priest can fathom correctly. I like to think our God is a gentle God and that he loves all regardless of color, race, looks, etc. There are many twists and turns within a bible and everyone can give a version of their own. I had to do the old testament homeschooling my son in his Junior year of High school. All I can say is WHEW. When I remember all the stories such as Noah's Ark, the birth of Jesus, the story of Ruth, Adam and Eve, all that I remember from Sunday school and Bible School, well let me tell you, teaching the whole testament for one year, there were stories even I had not ever remembered being told. Now when my son and I pull his report card out and I forget what he got on a grade I recently looked at his Geometry and he had an A in it. I said Nick Look Good Job! He in turn will look up the Bible on the Old Testament and see A- and say MOM Look GOOD JOB. naturally we both laugh. But I have to admit, we spent many hours researching and learning on the Old Testament. What is even harder while you may think one way, or think you do, taking the course was amazing because it allowed you to think openly. I have to say my son and I both enjoyed taking the credit that was required of him to graduate! Listen to your heart when you are reading the religious book of choice. Open and allow to let your heart see as you read. Not always an easy task. But I learned this even more while teaching this to my son.
@sabado_dc (1001)
• Philippines
22 Mar 12
Hi marie thanks for dropping by. well, I will tell you.. One thing that I've come with is that no color is better than the other except in piety
@Lhenni (1242)
• Philippines
22 Mar 12
Biblical theology is for those "real" professional well-learned person sponsored by HIS Infinite goodness, but it tends to be overdone by some who's I think is not capable in doing so. Some were just to annoy the topic and make negative issues out of it. I don't believe in the negatives some where interpreting from the bible. Does it make sense? Some will say yes for sure! If I don't understand the hidden story or purpose in some bible context... I live it hanging. No big deal! I believe, knowing the true meaning lying words-by-words in the bible needs HIS divine grace to really understand it. One thing I'm sure of, dark-skinned people were not cursed and not a slave!
@Lhenni (1242)
• Philippines
22 Mar 12
Theologically speaking, I'm not the right person, as in, I'm not the "real" pro *wink! As a Christian, I do read Bible. I heard some words too from the liturgy of the mass. In some movies, Books of Revelations were interpreted but of course, it's just their interpretations. Many were still on their good mind if they should believe what they watched or not. For me, If I find it hard to believe what other's were implying, well, it's their opinion/interpretation, no big deal to me. Then, I left the thinking hanging and not bother for it will give headache to me *LOL. I can read it all, positive or negative and I don't believe in those too if I can't accept their interpretations. That's it sabado!
@sabado_dc (1001)
• Philippines
22 Mar 12
LOL I hope that I am not giving you headaches here
@sabado_dc (1001)
• Philippines
22 Mar 12
Why do you leave the writing on pages hanging if first and foremost, as you said, studying are for those real professionals only?
@koopharper (7601)
• Canada
27 Mar 12
Interesting discussion. If you read the whole account, you will notice that "Noah was perfect in his generations". Some have interpreted this to mean that Noah was racially pure, in other words a white man. That creates a small problem. How did all three main races white, black and oriental survive the flood if Noah was a pure white man. To solve this the wives of the three sons must have included the races other than white. Many believe the mark of Cain for killing his brother Abel was dark skin. Ham's wife then would have been a descendant of Cain. This way we can biblically preserve the races through the flood. Personally I think it is an interpretation without merit. For starters we have no idea what the mark of Cain actually was. The bible doesn't say. If it was skin colour, everyone could have just as easily started out black and God just decided to bleach Cain to mark him. Secondly the sentence purportedly referring to Noah's racial purity could just is easily if not more appropriately be referring to the purity of his relationship with the creator. If racial purity isn't an issue at all then we don't have to invent ways to genetically get all three races through the flood. What exactly happened between Noah and Canaan is also something open to interpretation. The curse was on Canaan for whatever reason. To say this has anything to do with black people being cursed and destined to slavery is reading a lot into this.
@sabado_dc (1001)
• Philippines
28 Mar 12
To say this has anything to do with black people being cursed and destined to slavery is reading a lot into this --Well actually you justified it. See the description you made about Noah
• Canada
29 Mar 12
I justified nothing. I outlined an interpretation which I clearly state I believe is incorrect. "Without merit" means I think it is wrong. Please read the entire paragraph and then the rest of my post.
@sabado_dc (1001)
• Philippines
29 Mar 12
Has oriental ever existed? In the bible, NO, right? Then, what is the use of outlining wrong interpretation and citing such word which you knew its bad connotation -- referring to the people of China and Japan, in which, most of its population never happened to be of Abrahamic religions? Do you think that the people of Noah fabricated the word oriental to arrogate to themselves superiority and to give themselves the right to discriminate? The rest of your post is okay.
@jazel_juan (15746)
• Philippines
22 Mar 12
Hmm that is one reason i do not read the bible, it is confusing. anyways, i believe that there are written stuff in the bible that are historical purposes.... but i do no believe that black people were cursed. They are even one of the most talented people i have seen.
@sabado_dc (1001)
• Philippines
22 Mar 12
Indeed, it is really confusing with unending story....
• India
5 Jul 12
Black people are not cursed people and slaves. Don’t judge people by its color. Colors are not defined who they are. I am not agreeing on what other people says that black people are bad people because there are white people who are sinners. All of us are equal whether white or black. It’s our attitude differs.