What would you offer me?
By GreenMoo
@GreenMoo (11834)
March 26, 2012 12:39pm CST
We´re hosting some permaculture courses at the farm this summer and I´m currently dealing with bookings. Several prospective participants have asked if we´re able to offer concessionary places. Obviously I need to cover our costs in terms of teaching costs and food and other incidentals, but I do have some wriggle room. So I´ve been asking people that we´ll accept a part of the course fee as barter. ´´
It´s been a really interesting exercise. People aren´t used to barter! We´ve had some fascinating offers, some we´ve accepted as they´d be useful to use and some we´ve refused as we don´t.
If someone offered you the opportunity to barter for something you wanted, what would you offer? Do you have a skill that you think others may find useful? Something sitting around at home that someone else may be looking for?
How would you feel about bartering? Would you prefer just to pay money and be done with it, or would it be an interesting opportunity?
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@writersedge (22563)
• United States
26 Mar 12
My Dad bartered constantly. Drove my Mom crazy, "We can't pay our bills with barter, you old fool." I remember it well.
That's why your way is better. Partial barter.
My religious teachers used to take wood for their woodstove or jewelry. They were happy to see the wood, that meant they didn't have to chop it for winter. During rough economies when gold and silver are up (like now), the jewelry comes in handy to sell and pay bills.
I've paid for T'ai Chi with material (clothe)that I haven't used and with a weaving I did of a tree.
Mostly we trade whatever grows here for something someone else grew. Like our apples for sour apples. Our grapes for cantelope. Stuff like that. Sometimes we help a neighbor fix something who helps us fix something.
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@writersedge (22563)
• United States
26 Mar 12
Oh yeah, what would I offer you.
I can type at 50 words per minute so if you needed something long typed. My husband can make wooden chairs and custom-sized rolling pins. No crops up yet, but if there were probably chives, garlic, oregano, and marjarum. Hopefully we will have raspberries, blackberries, apples, or grapes as time goes on. My husband used to know how to keep an old tractor going. Probably still does.
@writersedge (22563)
• United States
26 Mar 12
If weeds are up where you are and are similar to here, maybe get a wild food lunch for you and your partner.
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@GreenMoo (11834)
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27 Mar 12
Those are some fabulous ideas. You're obviously not new or scared of the idea of barter.
When I've mentioned the idea to some people in real life they've been embarrassed to suggest anything, and have ended up offering cash instead! Everyone has something to offer, whether it be skills or goods.
If you were local and we were really going to trade I would enjoy sharing the picking of a wild food lunch in order to expand my own knowledge. We'd share it afterwards of course, because I'm convinced that part of bartering is the greater possibilities for personal interaction it presents.
And if your husband can keep an old tractor going, he might be able to take a look at my truck. It certainly sounds like a tractor
@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
26 Mar 12
I see it this way , either the item is for sale or it is not. Either I can afford the price or I can't. If I Had to argue over an item to buy it , afterward I wouldn't want it anymore . when I saw it , all I would feel is the pressure I Had to go through to get it. I probably just throw it out , after I torn it to bits. So noif a seller says " for you this is ..." I would say no thanks and walk away. Why should he Have to lower the price for me and no one else?
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@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
26 Mar 12
no, that is worse. If I had to argue over the price of food , I would fast. If I had to argue over meds, I would rather die. Over here in the States the prices are set , if it is too high at one place , you walk out and buy it somewhere else. Once the seller sees he/she is losing customers, Then the prices get down. As for food, my supermarket has sales each week. Plus with my card , I even get cents off regualr priced items automatically, no need to argue or cheat a seller by buying something that has a price that is too low!
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@GreenMoo (11834)
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27 Mar 12
I see your point about negotiating a lower price, which is common in some cultures but not in ours.
But that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about paying the seller a fair price, but in something other than money. In some cases, what you are able to offer me may be worth more to me than money. If you were a seamstress for instance, then doing my minor clothes alterations would take you no time at all but would be worth a lot to me as I have no sewing skills at all. So I don't think of barter for goods as being any sort of cheat or argument. It's something that can benefit both parties.
Some of the things that we have been offered have been skills (building and translation work have been some of the offers we've been interested in), home grown veggies, home made jams and preserves, second hand clothes and toys for the kids and home made knives. I was thrilled with all those offers, and very happy to accept them instead of money.
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@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
27 Mar 12
Green then I would feel like a wh@re! If I can help you out , I'll do it. There is no need to pay me. Whatever task I do it isn't my profession. That is what friend do , help out Without thinking what is in it for me! And if it is a stranger, then I would pay cash. I don't want to steal away Any of their goods.
@peavey (16936)
• United States
26 Mar 12
I would love to barter more. I hardly ever get a chance to any more, but I could offer home grown vegetables, custom knitting and article or promotional writing and probably some other things that I can't think of right now.
Bartering makes sense and can save a lot of money if it's done right. Of course we need money to pay taxes and doctors, etc., but if some of the goods we would otherwise pay for can be obtained by barter, why not?
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@GreenMoo (11834)
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27 Mar 12
It's something I'd love to do more of, but many people are scared to start. Of course, it's not always easy to settle on something that I've got and you want or vice versa, which is why we have money.
With the home grown veggies, it makes such a lot of sense for neighbours to work together. I concentrate on potatoes, onions and cucumbers for instance, while you grow peppers, sweetcorn and carrots. Then we share out the goodies.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
26 Mar 12
hi greenmoo I was a depressions kid and mydad was the towh doctor so oftenh people who had no money gave him chickens, eggs, homemade bread, a pig, a cow or whatever they had they could barter with .but since i have nothing to trade and my only skill is mylotting and writing fiction I would rather resort to paying money if I had to and if I had any money that is. lol lol,.
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@grandpa_lash (5225)
• Australia
30 Mar 12
I am hopeless at bartering. I have so little interest in money apart from needing it to live that I never know aht the relative worth of things are. I did consider joining LETS, a local currency trading scheme, but my skills, however versatile, tend to be pretty well impractical or too common to be of use, and I couldn't imagine how I would cover the debit side of the equation.
Lash
@GreenMoo (11834)
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30 Mar 12
I also considered LETS where I used to live, but the local group was very full of natural therapists and not very much else. Any barter scheme is only worthwhile if you can find someone who wants what you've got, and has what you want.
What working people have told me over and over again is that they would appreciate someone who would walk the dogs, babysit or even just wait in to accept a delivery. Basic stuff, but helpful and pretty much anyone could do it.
@GreenMoo (11834)
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30 Mar 12
Using barter, a lack of interest in money would be of little importance. You want something? Then what's it worth to you? That might change from day to day, and from person to person. Using examples that I've used earlier in the discussion, I would put little value on the skills of a typist as I can type myself but a non typist with a thesis deadline looming would value them highly. Today I don't need a mechanic so that skill is worthless to me, but if my truck breaks down later I'd be willing to pay (and boy do I pay for this particular skill!).
@bagarad (14283)
• Paso Robles, California
26 Mar 12
My only experience I can remember with bartering was my books for dental work. My dentists were homeschoolers, and we received hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars in dental work in exchanged for my children's books. It was win-win for both of us. I know there are bartering organizations that give you their own kind of currency for work products you give someone in the group that you can "spend" with any other member of the group. So if the dentist hadn't wanted books, I could give the books to someone who did want them and spend the barter currency to pay the dentist. Of course, success in this kind of group depends upon having a variety of goods and services you want available within the group and having something the rest of the group wants. Also, the barter organization takes a cut of everything. The IRS also has an interest in all barters, group or private party arranged.
I think barter is great when individuals set it up themselves. I've been hesitant to join barter groups. About all I have to offer is writing skills, books, and a few quince in season.
@GreenMoo (11834)
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27 Mar 12
People often think that they have nothing to offer, but everyone has skills. Back when I was working full time, just having someone to be at my house to accept a delivery so that I didn't have to take time out would have been astonishingly helpful.
The difficulty with any barter situation is of course finding someone who wants what you have and also has something that you want. That, of course, is why communities created money!
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@bagarad (14283)
• Paso Robles, California
29 Mar 12
Casandrina, it only works if the dentist really likes to read or had kids who need the books. This dentist couple were doing well at the time and were homeschooling their children, so they did need children's books. But that only continued for the first two years. After that we had to pay cash.
@jillhill (37354)
• United States
27 Mar 12
In some sense of the word I have done that with many people...my neighbor gives me all the wood I need for camping but he gets to store things in my garage free....I did a wall paper job once though and expected to get paid....when I finished the lady handed me 2 music CD's and I was very upset.....had I know she wasn't going to pay me I wouldn't have done the wallpapering....
@Vvance (280)
• United States
27 Mar 12
Hmm.. interesting concept. That was how people used to get along, centuries ago, right? Before money came to the scene?
I'd probably offer to do some typing work, like writersedge said, because I can type at high speeds. I have some other skills, but their apparent usefulness might vary from person to person.
It seems to me that one of the disadvantages of this system is that materialistic people will shun it, because they cannot assess the value of the service or skill as accurately as money.
But I think it is a wonderful idea, and hope more people resort to it sooner or later thought it seems unlikely. It will definitely improve our relationships with others and help us get to know one another better.
@GreenMoo (11834)
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27 Mar 12
Of course what you can offer will be of use to some people, but not to others. Typing skills won't be particularly attractive to me for instance, as I can type pretty fast myself. But if you could fix my truck that would be worth a lot to me.
I'm not sure that barter is any less useful to materialistic people than those who are not. Because the value of a skill or given item would vary from person to person. Everyone wants the best exchange for themselves, but as the example above shows, typing would be of pretty value to me. Someone who does not type themselves and has a thesis and a deadline may well place a very high value on that skills so instead of being able to barter with me for something low value you'd be able to barter with them for something high value. Of course, what constitutes low or high value depends on what you want or need at that moment!
The difficulty with any barter scheme is finding someone who wants what you have, and has what you want to offer. That's why we created money of course!
But there are many barter schemes and alternative currency schemes already in existence, both for individuals and for businesses. Their success depends on them having a range of skills and services available to users.