Private information is not really private? Really?!
By mommyboo
@mommyboo (13174)
United States
March 27, 2012 5:35pm CST
How do you feel about the rumors of employers ASKING for your facebook login information? Yes, I say rumors because I don't think it's legal to expect someone to give their LOG IN information for something PRIVATE as a condition of EMPLOYMENT. Where do you get the balls to do that? In my humble opinion, anybody who has social network sites or who contributes regularly in open forums should protect their information so that potential employers, current employers, or anybody who might be detrimental to them in the future doesn't have access to any information they post that can be traced back arbitrarily to them. I don't need someone 'deciding' they don't like that I contribute at a site like this, or that I post a blog detailing my training runs, or I post up pics of my kids. None of that has anything to do with any job I do now, did in the past, or might decide to do in the future. It is entirely irrelevant. People have PERSONAL lives. People have PROFESSIONAL lives. There is no reason to mix the two. We need a 'don't ask, don't tell' policy in place to protect people from malicious nosy employers and people who claim to be friends.
People are told from the time they are small - do not give out passwords, don't share personal information with STRANGERS like addresses and phone numbers! What should we do, just hand out things like our credit card numbers, pin numbers, bank account info, our house keys, our car alarm buttons?!
Since when did it become okay to threaten people and coerce them into sharing PRIVATE information which is NONE of their business?
I understand not using company time to browse personal sites, but that's as far as I'll go. I bet that's as far as most people will go.
10 responses
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
5 Apr 12
I think that businesses requesting personal info like that is way too much. Your right about the personal/private lives thing. There is a line. I have also known that there is the expectation by companies to keep the two separate and then now they want to mesh them? Doesn't make much sense to me and I think it does violate people's privacy.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
6 Apr 12
Those things need to remain separate. My private and personal life is no concern or business of my employer no matter what it is that I do.... unless I slack on the job and it's determined to be my personal life that causes my poor performance. Sometimes that does happen, but a good employer would not be nosy and judge, they would try to help somebody out first.
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
1 Apr 12
My personal life is just that, my personal life. That is the reason that I keep everything on my facebook account private unless people are friends with me. I don't have many enemies in this world, but I do have a few and I really don't want those people to know too much about me. You see, on facebook, I do post some pictures of my children and I do post about things that are bothering me in my life.
I don't think that I've ever posted anything that is incriminating, but then again, I really don't know what a potential employer might be looking for.
However, there are no circumstances under which I would ever give an employer, either current or potential my facebook login information because that is a complete and total breach of my privacy. In fact, my husband doesn't even know all of my facebook login information.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
6 Apr 12
Excellent response! Sorry it took me so long to get back to this discussion . My pages are private too unless you're my friend, and I don't friend people unless they add something in some way to my life or experience, they are a mutual friend, or I actually KNOW you in some way. I probably would never friend coworkers or employers or anybody in that capacity unless I trusted them because they were actually a friend FIRST. Again, lots of factors to weigh. I posted a discussion about facebook recently too, wondering why people friend people they don't really like or family members who cause them grief. I don't think they should, all it does is cause THEM problems they have to deal with because people don't like what they say lol.
The only time I feel it's ever appropriate to have log in information for someone else is if you're the parent of a minor and that is one of the stipulations you have for them having a website, page, or social connections online in the first place. Otherwise, it's like opening mail addressed to someone else - isn't that a felony?
@Lindalinda (4111)
• Canada
29 Mar 12
I have followed this discussion and I must say I am totally astonished. I would not have thought that in America an employer would have the right to ask for such information and I certainly think the prospective employee should refuse to give out details of their activity on social networks. Where I live in Canada the laws are quite clear.In an interview an employer may not ask your age, race, religion, marital status or number of children, the grades of your diploma or other credentials only the proof that you actually have a High School Diploma,BA, MA, etc. etc. Of course once you are hired certain details such as your birthdate and exemptions for tax purposes must be supplied to the human resources dept. There is usually a question on social or volunteer activities in the interview but if you don't want to divulge such activities as being on facebook, myspace or forums that is up to you and a smart person would not mention such private matters.
One of my nieces works in Germany and I was quite shocked to observe the application process there. Not only did she have to supply her resume and cover letter but also her age, a photo of herself and the last transcripts of her grades from University. Unreal! This was not a girlie girlie job either.
I guess we must be ever vigilant and protect our privacy.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
6 Apr 12
Yes, I rather think it's insane that people actually believe they can request private information that has nothing to do with the ability to do a job. This is how people begin to be discriminated against, so the less info you give anybody who might be able to hurt you, the better. I know that I would never share non relevant information but a lot of other people seem to think it's okay, and they DO, so they are actually part of the problem, bullies and folks who do illegal or questionable things will continue to do so if they don't hit opposition at first. When they do, they will claim 'oh but so and so 500 people didn't care, why do YOU care?' which leads to how much of a problem it is when many people just 'don't care'. They hurt those of us who prize our privacy and are not willing to give it up for any reason.
@burrito88 (2774)
• United States
28 Mar 12
It's not rumors. It's real. Why else would senators start preparing a law to make it illegal.
@burrito88 (2774)
• United States
5 Apr 12
Don'tyell at me. I'm just the messenger. If ou are that mad, write your congressman and senators.
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
6 Apr 12
I'm not yelling at YOU. I'm explaining to you that it's not REAL unless you cave to pressure or allow someone to ask you for something they cannot legally ask for. The problem is average people accepting this kind of crap by being all calm and quiet about it.
@kingparker (9673)
• United States
28 Mar 12
You have your own reason, and I 100% agree with your discussion above. I would not mix my personal life with my professional life, and I hope people would respect me the same. Also, those employers also should do the same to their employees. People like to have their own privacy, and not like intruder to break it.
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
28 Mar 12
People should treat others the way they want to be treated, this includes employers not expecting something from their employees that would cause them an issue were the situation to be reversed. If an employer thinks they have the right to dig for MY information, then I have every right to do a background check on them and have them investigated to ensure they'd be a good boss, right? Anybody who says no believes in double standards. Double standards are not an example of a good character trait.
@blaqwynter (218)
• Canada
28 Mar 12
I think this is insane... Whats next the employers are going to ask you for your bank card PIN number too, just to see whats in your bank account?!? ''Oh here ya go sir, have my bank card. Oh, but don't take my cash please...'' LMAO. Giving your facebook name and password is a HUGE violation of privacy. Some people have their entire life on there... I honestly think this is utter bullsh**... There's no need for an employer to gain your info. Its stupid!
@Uziflee (17)
• United States
28 Mar 12
I thought the Day that Employers were allowed to check Credit Ratings and use them to decide an Applicants Employablity, Rights of Privacy to me became a Joke.
However, there has to be an Understanding that anything you do online is subject to Invasion and is a PERMANENT Record and perhaps it should be used more carefully and if you don't post Things that can be used against you it is less likely to trouble you.
My Solution to the Problem is to not use Facebook.
@andy77e (5156)
• United States
28 Mar 12
Well unfortunately, people make their private information the business of their employers.
Say for example you run a delivery service. And a customer asks you for a dedicated run. However, you have other customers in the same area.
So you tell your employee to run the dedicated run, but also deliver these other packages to the same area.
You are still providing the dedicated run, but also making more money for you and the employee by also delivering other packages.
The employee posts his facebook that he has a very profitable run, delivering to one location, multiple packages.
The customer sees this on facebook, and cancels the contract, demands a refund, and opens a lawsuit.
You didn't do anything wrong. The employee really didn't do anything wrong. But loose lips sink ships. The information got out and caused you a problem.
Here's another example. Say you have a vendor that you buy stuff from. The vendor and you, cut a deal to get goods at 15% off.
An employee posts this on facebook, and other customers see it. They go to the vendor and demand the same 15% off.
The vendor cancels your deal, and perhaps even refuses to sell to you.
Again, you did nothing wrong, the vendor did nothing wrong, nor did the employee. But loose lips sink ships, and suddenly his remarks of facebook caused you a problem.
Finally, sometimes the employee is just bad. They go on facebook and spout how horrible a person you are, and drag the name of your company through the mud.
Or the employee is just a jerk, and is a jerk on facebook, while having you listed as his employer. That jerk of an employee now reflects on you.
The conclusion is, you are right. What people say and do in their private lives *should not be* a concern of the employer.
But the reality is, people *MAKE IT* a concern of the employer by what they post and say, and how they act in their private lives.
Should facebook information be a requirement for employment?
Well it's their company. THEIR COMPANY. Not my company, or yours. They have the right (in my opinion) to require anything they want. They can demand your credit history. They can demand your criminal background. They can demand many things. Why not this?
Look, none of us has a *right* to a job. We have the right to *pursue* a job. If pursuing a job means letting them look at your facebook account, then that is what it is. You have the right to decline, and pursue something else.
That's how it works. You want to be hired and get a check, then you have to follow the rules of the one you want to be hired by.
If your son or daughter wants to get their allowance, then they have to follow the rules you impose for getting that allowance. Clean your room. Wash the dishes. Or whatever. Same difference.
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
28 Mar 12
First of all, I would never get involved with any company that asked me for MY private information. Second of all, I am entirely familiar with policies such as not sharing private company information with other companies, competitors, or sharing salary information with coworkers. THOSE are policies which are completely acceptable and protect the company and its interests. I think this also means that you don't go on a forum or a social site and badmouth your boss, your coworker, etc. Of course, people have only gotten busted for THAT BECAUSE someone they work with somehow was either given access to that person's social site, or they HACKED INTO IT.
Now... I disagree with anybody ASSUMING something is about them though. If you use no names, like no PERSON'S name, no company name, no location, and no identifying details, I think it's wrong for someone else to go and say 'oh, so and so was badmouthing you on facebook and sharing info about x company' when there's NOTHING to actually back that up.
And that, in a nutshell - is why people should be very careful to only allow actual FRIENDS access to the majority of what they post on a social site. Someone who doesn't know me can SEE that I have a facebook... but that's about all. They cannot see my friend list, my photos, my wall, or anything that would have updated information updated regularly from hour to hour. All of you would be wise to do the same.
@Kojigirl (188)
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29 Mar 12
What I'm wondering about is all the millions of us who don't belong to Sheep sites and don't go around airing our laundry in public in the first place? I wouldn't join Farcebook if you paid me, and I'm hard up for dosh, but never in a gazillion years would I give that lot all my information to sell to whomever they want to sell it to. Did you know they pay people a dollar an hour to go through the site and look for anything that should be deleted? Do you know they don't vet the people they hire?
Farcebook is more dangerous than any employer who has your information, because at least you know an employer isn't going to sell all of your information to the highest bidder, whenever they want to.
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
6 Apr 12
Heh. The fact that you believe facebook is dangerous is yet another example of paranoia spread far and wide. Believe me, people say all sorts of things and believing it is the problem lol. Did you know that companies you legitimately do business with also sell your personal information? That's why people get telemarketing calls and spam email. Of course I report all of this crap immediately to the national do not call registry and usually I stop getting the calls and the spam. I am vigilant about it and I report everything. Some companies and 'false' businesses get slapped with fines and threats from contacting people illegally after they purchased their information illegally.
I find it laughable everything you said here because MYLOT is a public site and you posted 'I don't go around to sheep sites and air my laundry in public'. I don't want facebook to pay me, I want to ENJOY it and use it as a TOOL for ME. If facebook gets away from someone and they experience drama, it's because they aren't using it as a tool for THEM, they are letting OTHERS use it against them, which is ridiculous.
By the way, it's not like facebook REQUIRES information, you willingly give it or you don't. They also can't fire you, make your life miserable without your consent, etc. PEOPLE can.
@honest_efforts100 (1607)
• India
16 Jul 12
When it comes to social media, people forget one thing. Its SOCIAL MEDIA, meaning it’s public for everyone to see unless you set the limits. I believe that everyone should be held responsible and be accountable for their actions when posting sensitive or detrimental information online for the public (i.e.: your current or future boss) to see. Social media is something taking for granted. I do agree wholeheartedly that your personal doesn’t belong on the lips of your professional boss, Furthermore, there is absolutely no need for your employer to demand with reprimand your personal information to the site.