Do You Have Any Tangible Evidence of God?

Well, I should have changed the headline. It should read "Religion" and not only "God." For example, I was thinking more along the lines of someone possibly finding evidence to corroborate some of scripture's stories like the Jews in the desert for so long, the actual Commandments, etc. It's something very puzzling to a nonbeliever to have everyone give you what is essentially an excuse as to why a god doesn't take over the airways and say "Hey, I'm God!" Or why a million other things don't line up. It's odd that a god needs people to explain a god. But the purpose of this discussion wasn't to debate religion. I was just curious as to what type of evidence people were bringing to the table in 2012. Thanks for the response.

"The others need even less proofs while they are sure there is no god then why looking for evidences?" You only have to answer that question because you assert that everyone who doesn't believe in a god decides that there is no god to believe in. Perhaps you're viewing it the wrong way and that's why you have to ask that question. People can be on the fence about something and want to know the truth one way or the other before they decide to put their faith in it and change their lives for it. Take "god" out of it completely and use something else. Take Bigfoot for example. You couldn't break people down into two groups here. Sure, plenty believe he exists, while plenty believe he doesn't. But there's a huge group in the middle that's on the fence about it. They won't believe without proof, but they're also not ruling out the possibility. So if they see that so many people are saying Bigfoot is real, they might ask "Do you have any new evidence I can see?" Some would view the evidence--any evidence at all--and still never believe it. But that's not everyone. Some who didn't believe prior to seeing the evidence would be swayed. That's how we work as people. That's how most people's brains operate. Hence crafting a justice system on evidence and not on faith. Human beings are plenty capable of being on the fence until we know one way or the other. In fact, that's our default position.

I was just curious as to what type of evidence people were bringing to the table in 2012. And that's what I also consider it as the most probable real subject of your discussion and I answered in first line: You ain't gonna find any evidence, ever. There are 2 basic type of humans: those who are sure there is a god and those who are sure there is none. First one need not evidences because they know there is god and need not more proofs. The others need even less proofs while they are sure there is no god then why looking for evidences?

If God came down and took over the entire sky and TV, guys like you would say "So He is real" but there are a lot of people who would just accuse him of being a show-off. There's a difference between people who just aren't so sure they believe and those who say they are atheists but in reality, are just holding a grudge against God. A scientist is suing NASA because he says he was fired for his belief in "intelligent design". His qualifications were as good as anyone else, he'd worked there for decades. But his science didn't outweigh his beliefs and so they sacked him. The thing is, if science is only looking for one acceptable answer, then you could never hope to get any tangible proof from that quarter. I don't mind if people say they don't know and have no evidence of God, that's at least honest. People who say they know for absolutely sure that God isn't possible, well, in a universe that is estimated to be 15 billion years old, I just don't think they've been around long enough to prove that. Signs and wonders are for the unbeliever, maybe you'll get one, someday.

I don't think science is looking for "one acceptable answer." I think most of mainstream science is looking for anything but that one answer. But not always necessarily begrudgingly. Most individuals that I know and that I know of on their personal quest to find out the answers for life are incredibly open to every conceivable possibility. Infinity. But some have been looked at so long that's time to put them well aside. Pending further evidence. And while you will find some just refusing to even entertain the notion of a god, most have simply ruled that possibility out because it doesn't make any sense whatsoever to them. When seeking evidence of creation, they can't trace the idea of "god" back any further than someone saying they can personally feel god. They have weighed scripture and came to what they perceive a logical conclusion that it's a primitive product of the times. They have put on their detective hats and have looked at all the so-called prophecies and miracles. And what they've found is that most of it is either on par with the countless other myths of the day or it's easily explained through natural events. So they're obviously ruling out what they believe to be false. They're also not looking at possibilities like a continuous, timeless paradoxical loop wherein people created people. Or that we're inside of someone's marble like Men in Black. It's not just the idea of a "god" that they've ruled out. There's no reason a scientist would come back to divine creation if they couldn't make the case that matter formed when two universes collided. And even if they did come back to a divine creator, assuming they had the evidence to do so, the hunt for which one of the thousands it could possibly be is even more fruitless. As I've been saying all throughout this discussion, it's 2012 now. The biggest pieces of evidence that any god--pick one--exists is the god's particular description through scripture and someone saying "I feel it." In the context of science, there is not one good reason that any scientist should be looking in the direction of a divine creator. No roads lead to Rome in this, the biggest of world scenarios. So many look anywhere but. Can a scientist honestly be expected to do otherwise? In terms of NASA firing someone for their beliefs, I don't believe he should have been fired. That's wrong. They should have just not hired him in the first place if that's the attitude they held.

That was definitely my hangup with ancient alien theorists for the longest time. Such technology to travel such great distances, yet primitive construction with a very logical path for a primitive people. But when someone presents something as truth, I personally need to know why I should believe in it. So when the ancient alien theorists want to be taken seriously by the world at large, they get busy looking for their evidence. With religion, it's been around so long as is just so ingrained that it's supposedly a given. Passed down to children, part of the culture, part of the law. But no strides in bringing humanity closer to understanding religion. "Evidence" always seems to be something on a personal level to a believer. It's just something I find rather odd. I think the biggest difference between a believer and a nonbeliever is that if God came down and took over the entire sky and TV and announced himself, guys like me would be "Damn! So he is real." But if one of the universe creation theories were proven, like the big bang or something, most religious people would just contend that God still isn't disproven and that's how he created everything. It's possible to prove a god exists. It's impossible to disprove. Thanks for the response.

Hi again matersfish, There may will be other texts discovered yet, but that won't prove the existence of God. I cannot imagine a separate identity that is God. If there is anything,and I think there is, we are all a part of it, not just humans but animals and plants as well, also all that may be contained in the our universe and beyond. The mystery is far too big for us, but I'm sure I'll always keep searching for more. Blessings.

Well, see, that's just the thing. I don't believe that we hold the answer to anything within. If I wanted to solve 9.8 m/s^2 and had no idea what it suggested or how to proceed, it's not like I could close my eyes, search my soul and pull up the answer. Sure, I could tell myself that it meant something. But would I come to the conclusion that it was the approximate value of the Earth's gravitational force unless I had the frame of reference and the evidence? As I said in the original post, if someone can feel a presence within and be happy with that, I'm happy for them! Truly. But that's on a personal level. It's 2012 and we understand a lot more about the world now. We also have the technology to uncover a lot of our lost secrets. So I will always be interested in finding evidence to verify certain beliefs. I think if any community were to move forward on the quest for knowledge, it's the religious community. (And from what I've seen of creation science, things are quite thin.) I guess I was hoping maybe someone was sitting on an undiscovered text or something! Thanks for the response.

There is more than logic in your thinking. Is obviously God is alien. It HAVE to be. Isn't said "before all ages God created Earth and Sky"? That mean he is from omeahere far away - off this planet, of course. Which mean alien entity. Most probably living in some kinda energetic form of life which is not visible to our senses. I rest my case.

The alien stuff is pretty cool. According to some of theorists, they use models and drawings and texts of the time as tangible evidence that physical lifeforms were once on the Earth. That's kinda what I was thinking here - like, for example, if anyone had ever found some real artifacts mentioned for the religion. I know that some people claim to have the Ark and the Spear of Destiny and argue about what the Holy Grail actually is. But with so many competing tales on it all, it's hard to decipher any of it as evidence. Thanks for the response.

Well, as I said in response to a few others so far, that's my bad for using the wrong headline. I wasn't looking for evidence of a god per se; I was more looking for evidence that religion is accurate. I just figured in 2012 with such scientific breakthroughs that people can excavate grounds and travel and find things so much easier. I was hopeful maybe there was some new evidence for this age-old debate. Congrats on your son. Thanks for the response.

I've seen those experiments done before. It's quite amazing how the human mind works. I also remember a long time ago watching documentaries about experiments done with people of different cultures who found religion later in life. They spoke of personal experiences, like being beckoned by god, etc. In every instance, it was always the god of their culture. It was already the branch of religion they were more familiar with. The "result," I guess, is that they were the religion all along -- a product of the environment in which they lived. Per my personal beliefs and my supreme confidence in mankind to choose its own fate, I find it saddening that instead of more people attempting to understand the human brain and everything that consciousness is capable of, most are just content to insist it's one of god's creations and that we must leave it be. A more cynical person might believe that many are afraid of finding out that they're not right, or even that they already suspect it and want to protect it. Thanks for the response.

One wouldn't think that a divine being demanding to be worshiped, jealous in its insistence that you must love it, would cover up its tracks so incredibly well! I see people are making the case using things like air and gravity and the like. Ironically enough, those things are provable beyond the shadow of any doubt. There is countless evidence. Everything that exists has such evidence. But a god is somehow above being traced. To me, the debate shouldn't be about whether god is a man or a woman. With such lengths gone to in order to keep hidden, I think god is a conspiracy theorist! Thanks for the response.

It seems like with every new discovery that scientist Are trying to prove G-d does not exist. What if G-d Does show Himself but we don't see Him. What if G-d Is love. So whenever you say I love you And mean it, G-d is there. Whenever a child is born to a loving parent , G-d Is present. Or even the small miracles like when a shot that Shouldn't go in Does G-d is there. Many of us look for Him to be in human form. What if He Doesn't show up that way? ps. Forgive me if I implied you were wasting you time. I didn't mean it that way.

I definitely wouldn't argue with that. Perhaps it is a waste of time. But it's my time. As I said to Rollo above: God's existence can easily be proven. There are ways in which God and religion can prove itself. But if you wanted to prove a god didn't exist, you could never do it. There is no way possible to disprove the existence of divinity with a 100% degree of certainty (in the eye of the beholder obviously). So after years and years and years of people being so utterly insistent that a God exists, I just want to see something to that effect. Not proof; just something intriguing. Being all things and all places -- popping in while we're watching American Idol to remind us to treat each other good is something God should carve out time for. Thanks for the response.

I don't know nor can I know who or what God is beyond what I've heard. I've heard he's the all-powerful, all-knowing creator who has always just been there by himself with the company of angels. After existing forever (which, without time, "forever" is not a concept) out of nowhere, just always there, God decided that he wanted to create everything. So he did. I also understand that we're created in his likeness. This is what I know from what I was taught and what I was told. So he's the creator who looks like us. He can do anything and be everywhere. He also wants us to love him and do the right thing. But when a guy like me asks why he doesn't say it himself. it always takes a turn from the imaginative to the even more imaginative. My only point is that God could quash it all instantly. He could show himself in a variety of ways. He would have to send fewer people to hell. He would preside over a more loving universe. So I wonder why he doesn't. You ask "What if He Doesn't show up that way?" He's fully capable of it, is he not? I've attempted to approach this discussion with the full respect of religious beliefs, even though I do not believe. But from what everyone is telling me, I'm getting a hodgepodge of different theories of why God stays up there and keeps to himself yet simultaneously demands worship. Earthquakes, tsunamis, senseless deaths, disease, starvation, war -- all supposedly his plan and beyond our understanding. I don't know. It just seems to me that it's time God accounted for being God. There's a contradiction in people being God's children. In all Earthly, unknowing context, we're more like rats in a maze. So without the evidence to go on, I'm not sure if I have any reason whatsoever to believe. I wouldn't teach my children. I hope they wouldn't teach theirs. But if there is a God and he demands worship and he would send my children and their children to hell for that, well, it just seems all of that could be avoided with a little assurance from God that he's making the rounds up there. Faith is a tough thing to keep for anyone examining what it means to have it.

Thanks for the response.

Hello Runite, I want to ask you back with that question. If there is no God, that create everything. Who was the creature of this world... There are many books in the world that printed in many centuries but not say that any person or any name of person being call creature of this world. Only the bible teach us about the creature and all the articles in it is evidence that there is creature that create everything...

How would you even know that the surroundings were created by a creator?

No one ever suggested you can't believe whatever you want. But for the purposes of this particular discussion, I am interested to see if anyone has ever found anything tangible to lend credence to any religion out there. We've made so many discoveries as a species. We're learning so much. But religion is where it's always been at. "That's why we believe in something because we have no proofs" sounds more like one is looking to create a different set of standards by which to rationalize maintaining faith. But to each their own. Thanks for the response.

I don't know. If we're able to recreate one thing that God supposedly created, doesn't that prove that God doesn't exist? If we're not God the creator, how can we emulate creation? If God could be human, then is there a God? As for physical proof of God killing free will, that's a vast overstatement. The implication is that believing in God removes your free will, locking you into a box wherein you only do what God demands. Well, we know this not to be true. People who supremely believe in God still sin. They still do what they want to do. To them, God is already proven. So if God was proven to all 7 billion people on Earth, the odds are great that billions would still do what they wanted.

But we can imagine that one day we will build a very smart computer simulation to find out who we are.If we create enough universes let`s say 1 million or so, there is a chance that we will find out more about ourselves.Or at least we will be able to bring a lot of culture from these universes, imagine how it is to have 1 million painters like Michelangelo or 1 million writers like Shakespeare. That raises a lot of questions.If we interfere too much with these people we may turn them into zombies.If we don`t suggest them what we want from them then we may never get a result.I don`t understand why is so hard to imagine that in order for this experiment to have some results is to suggest those people what you want from them and then to interfere in their life as less as you can.As someone in the 8th century said there is no virtue outside free will.And a physical proof of God will kill our free will.

Evidence and proof are different things. I don't expect anyone to be able to prove to me that what they believe in is true. But thousands of years since religion has been around now, with human beings discovering so much about the universe and life in general, religion is still where it's always been. So I'm just wondering if there's any new evidence to suggest that a divine creator is real. Why wouldn't there be tangible evidence of a divine creator who is responsible for every single thing in our lives? But my purpose was not to debate the same old things. Thanks for the response.

"The Bible never attempts to prove God's existence as it declares God's existence is so obvious that we are without excuse for not believing in him." Yes. Exactly. But if that's what so many people choose to believe, then good for them. My only wish is that we are long past the days of people brutally forcing their religion upon others. If people want to believe in something that's supposedly "obvious," I say more power to them. The rest of what you're talking about is a bit nonsensical, like arguing to disprove a god proves a god. Replace "god" with anything and see how it works out. If I argue that there's not a purple rabbit living in my sink drain, that must mean there is. Multiple responses, not one piece of evidence that doesn't say "look into your heart" or "look at your organs" or "it's obvious." The way it's always been. We're all supposed to take on faith, to view brutality and senseless deaths as some sort of plan, to throw up hands up in the air in worship and in fear. Good luck with all that.

The bible teaches us that there are 2 types of people, those who profess the truth of God's existence and those who suppress the truth of God's existence. The option of "seeking" God or not believe in God are not available. The Bible never attempts to prove God's existence as it declares God's existence is so obvious that we are without excuse for not believing in him. Sorry if I will include this but according to book of Romans 1:18-21: "The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities - his eternal power and divine nature - have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. God although they new God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking become futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. " The proof that God exists is that without Him you couldn't prove anything. You have to assume God in order to argue against Him. Many times people who do not believe in God have claimed that a faith in God is only a matter of faith and that it cannot be proven scientifically. People claim to reject God's existence because it is "not scientific" or because there is no proof. The true reason is that once they admit that there is God, they also must realize that they are responsible to God and in need of forgiveness from him. If God does not exist, we are free to do whatever we want to do without having to worry of God judging us. There are many things as well that science cannot explain but does exist. Things have occurred in our lives that have no possible explanation other than our creator. Look around you. Try to observe the wonders of nature, seeing the beauty of sunrise and sunset. Staring at the stars and understanding the vastness of the universe, everything you see came from God and that is an evidence. Life is an evidence of God's existence. The very fact that some attempt so aggressively to disprove His existence is in fact an argument for His existence. If God so desired, he could simply appear and prove to the world that He exist but if He did that, there would be no need of faith. But that does not mean, however, that there is no evidence of God's existence. Deep within us is the recognition that there is something beyond this life and someone beyond this world. We can deny this knowledge intellectually but Gods presence in us and all around us is still obvious. Since the vast majority of the people throughout history, in all cultures, in all civilization, and in all continents believe in the existence of some kind of God, there must be something or someone causing this belief. If this is not enough, again will go back into your heart.

I have a bad feeling that you're going to cheat some sort of "God did it" into this whole thing, but I'll bite. No, neither people, nor birds, can breathe in the upper atmosphere. Oxygen and Nitrogen, the main gases in our atmosphere have mass, and are therefore, pulled towards the earth through gravity. Because of this, if you go high up into the atmosphere, there will be less and less air, the higher you go.

Birds can ...

I mean persons not birds

Minomarimat: It's odd that out of everything I've wrote thus far, you take it to believe that I am close-minded to the idea. I believe that you probably believe every nonbeliever is simply close-minded - a corrupt fool, no doubt. Did you even read everything I wrote? What would give you the impression that I'm not open to viewing evidence? Frankly, with your attitude, I really hope we have nothing more to talk about. The fact that you're another in a long line of believers who just the pull the same old "look around you" stuff as if that constitutes evidence suggests that you have no nothing but your belief. That's on you, not me. And that's fine. Believe what you want. I'm not here to challenge it. But that obviously was not the point of this discussion.

Well, to address what you ended with first, as I explained to someone up above, our organs are anything but perfect. They're entirely susceptible to disease and harm from a variety of things of this world and beyond. Not for nothing, but that hardly seems like the work of a perfect being that created us in his likeness. But that's not why I wrote the post. It's 2012. We have iPads. We have HDTV. We have the Internet. We are reaching and seeing further into space than ever before. We understand so much more about the human body and medicine than before. Every single thing out there is evolving. Then there's religion. It's still just there. No advancements in religion ever. So I'm wondering, in terms of tangible evidence to the existence of a god or religion in general, is there anything new to bring to the table in 2012? Thanks for the response.

There you have it. You have said it already; that you are looking for a tangible evidence of a god, which you are trying to find out whether or not its existence is true. Well then, why bother asking if you are so closed to the idea that there is none? The mere thought of you asking whether or not there is a god is an evidence that there is indeed, a supreme being. The only confusion here is that you are trying to deny the fact that there is a god. And, to answer your question, yes, there is always new evidence that brings up the existence of god, and if we may, then these can be put in as tangible ones. Think about the discoveries in Jerusalem, in Rome, and even the bible. The markings on walls. The written documents. And I guess no matter how much more we try to argue about this, with you having this closed mind (yes, you are closing your mind to more ideas), then there's nothing else to talk about.

When I read this, I wasn't going to debate it. But then I got to thinking about my father. He just got out of the hospital two days ago dealing with emphysema - a degenerative lung disease that will eventually take his life. Lungs are organs in the body. The organs and the body were created by a perfect, infallible creator. And in his image, the organs should be just as perfect as he. Why disease then? Thanks for the response.

One day You will Find God& Continue(-:

I don't believe our organs to be created by anything but happenstance, so obviously they, like everything else, exist in accordance with all other fragile, susceptible life and matter in general.

Okay. Delicious fruits and cool breeze. Thanks for the response.

Thanks for the response.

On a quest to prove that anything's true, the natural course is to look for evidence of it. If you can find evidence, it's more likely to be true. If you cannot find evidence, it's usually perceived as either false or pending further evidence. It's very odd that the most important thing in the history of the world, religion, doesn't play by the same rules, when that's really the primary thing that should play by those rules. Those ancient alien theorists are not content in the slightest to say things like "I feel it in my heart" or "it's in the air I breathe" or "existence is proof" and everything else that religious people say. Ancient alien theorists are inherently scientific about their search and in piecing the puzzle together. With this discussion, I was hoping that maybe some religious people were as methodical in their approach to believing and that they may have found some tangible evidence. I was wrong. But that's okay with me. I still hold all possibilities open. Thanks for the response.

That is what same people say is "proof" of a god also. So that's why I was interested to know opinions of others. Thanks for the response.

Yes. That’s all good and well, but gravity itself isn’t a “thing” per se. It can be likened more to a byproduct of mass -- a side-effect. Things like gravitons are theory, but the pencil actually hitting the floor is proof positive of gravity’s existence. The debate isn’t whether or not gravity even exists. It’s clear that it does. The debate is how and at what point did gravity begin to exist and why. And I should have been clearer in my headline. I was looking for evidence of religion being truthful in general. Like if there's any real evidence from a flood and not just misunderstood layers of Earth. Or if anyone's ever found evidence of the slaves who were supposedly in the desert for all those years. Things like that. All the "metaphysical" stuff makes my head hurt. I understand that everyone rationalizes what they believe in, none more so than believers in a supreme creator. I just imagine how much easier it would be on religious people if the god in charge would just appear in the sky and give us a shout-out: "What's up, ya'll? Miss me?" That can't be asking too much from a being that created every single thing to ever exist. But for the purposes of this discussion, I'm not interested in proof. I was just wondering if we had any new evidence making the rounds in 2012. Thanks for the response.

the slaves who were supposedly in the desert for all those years. you mean Jews ? there are Eyes of Moses to now in Sinai, is this a good evidence to you ?

Thanks for the response.