Why didn't God make anything right?
By Christoph56
@Christoph56 (1504)
Canada
March 29, 2012 1:10pm CST
The best system for anything, is an exact system. If you want cars to get from one point to another in the city, then its smartest to have exact roads, marked stopping points, lights to illuminate the night. That way, you will have the shortest driving time for everyone involved, and the least number of accidents.
In nature, all plants and animals are constantly trying to beat eachother out. Trees are a great example, trees grow up higher, so that they'll do better. They put shade on other plants, so that they're not so short, that they'll be in shade. They want more sun, so they push ahead, killing others. If they had an exact system, where they were all the exact same height, and an exact distance apart, then it would allow for far more plants to grow, much better. It's exactly why we work this way in farming. We know how to make plants produce the most, so we set them up in an exact fashion, not all over the place.
So, thinking that God is perfect, why wouldn't God have done that, too? Why would god just throw everything on here, and let it take care of itself, killing itself and others off, constantly? This actually shows that humans are more intelligent then God, or, perhaps, it's another piece of evidence, that God does not exist.
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@free_man (7330)
• United States
31 Mar 12
In the first place what God made is prefect. And no human is near as smart as God. God wants the stronger of all HIS creations to live longer becasue they won't fall for any bull stuff from anyone or anything. It is man that has messed up this world. Man invented cars and they are the ones that made the roads we travel on. Man could have put up lights along the road so we could be safe but man don't want to spend the money to do that. And if man did put up the lights it would be the tax payers that would pay the bills. Only the strong survive in the wilderness. That is like the animals that are wild they eat the weaker of animals. This is a filtration system. If you think God don't exist then how can you take a breath every time you take a breath? I know God exist! Beware of what you blame God for if you want a lot more to come on your head then keep blaming God for this or that. God can bring down the roof on your head! Nothing is too hard for God to do!
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@Christoph56 (1504)
• Canada
1 Apr 12
You are really bypassing my main point on here... Yes, of course, our breathing is harmed more by smoking and pollution in the air, etc, but I'm saying, why would God give us lungs? Why did God make it that we even need to breathe, constantly? If God was perfect, then what is the point of needing us to breathe in and out every few seconds? Why do we have to eat? How come, if we don't consume what's around us, we die? Same with drinking water, and on that, why isn't it the same with all kinds of water? How come we can only drink around 5% of the water on earth, and even that should go through a system to clean it, because it's still toxic from the natural elements around, that people had nothing to do with...
And, my main point, is on plants. Plants would work better, if they had an exact system. Plants have to constantly beat eachother out, so that they'll do better... but why? Why don't they just live in harmony, never outdoing the others? If they did that, it would be a much more efficient system, with far better results.
This was obviously not made by any perfect being, but rather a result of natural selection.
@free_man (7330)
• United States
12 Apr 12
Why? You must not know Gods word very well. Once we all lived in Heaven. And then satan tried to become god, which caused the destruction of the first earth and Heaven age, which we were all in spiritual bodies, we didn't eat meat we didn't grow old we didn't have any aches and pains. Then from the first earth and Heaven age we all have to go through this life to prove we really do Love God, God gave us all free will we can decide to do what is right in Gods eyes or who ever chooses can follow satan. This is the second earth and Heaven age, we were in Heaven with God and are sent through this life to make up our minds who will do good or who will do evil. And as far as blaming God I would watch my step if I was you God don't like being blamed for what we humans did to our selves. After this earth age we that follow God and do what is right in Gods eyes will return to our spiritual bodies and will not suffer any longer.
2nd Peter 3: this chapter will help you learn there are 3 earth and Heaven ages.
Jeremiah 23: 33-
And when this people , or the prophet, or a priest, shall
ask thee, saying, What is the burden of the LORD?
thou shalt say unto them, What burden? I will even
forsake you, saith the LORD.
And as for the prophet, and the priest, and the people
that shall say, The burden of the LORD, I will even punish
that man and his house.
But read on in this same book and chapter who knows it might help you understand.
@6precious102 (4043)
• United States
30 Mar 12
Since a curse was put on the ground after the fall of mankind, how do you know things weren't perfect before that?
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
1 Apr 12
I find it very fascinating to see people essentially explain why they believe what they believe as they project their reasoning onto the contradictions of religion.
As a previous discussion of mine illustrated, any "evidence" of a god is:
Possibly metaphysical
In everything in life
Cannot be found because it must be taken on faith
Something God will show me in due time
Too far above our understanding
And on and on it goes
But according to what I learned from scripture when I was a child, God (speaking of the Christian God) always used to show up to man to prove his existence. He would always speak to people. Jesus is supposed to appear to you if you ask him. Prayers are supposed to be answered.
So that is, for lack of a better term, set in stone. Yet when asked why none of it seems to be true or provable, the interpretations and rationalizations pour out.
I don't want to bust the balls of religious people, but when asking deep questions of belief, it's more akin to asking kids to explain why the sky's blue. Four kids would have four different answers, and none of them would make much sense.
It seems to be the same for your question:
God is too smart.
God did make everything perfect.
God made the brain that's capable of asking such a question.
God is punishing man.
Now, here's my concern. If there's one God with one set way of doing things, one set of parameters for worship, life, acceptance into heaven, etc, then why so many different ways of explaining it?
Could it be that no one knows? I think that's exactly it. No one knows. But yet billions still believe.
And when you look at that logically, it makes perfect sense. In order for someone to put so much faith in something, they have to rationalize it. So everyone has their image of what God is and how God operates. And God has became so real to them through this projection that the actual question you posed isn't even broached.
Your headline is read and people have their answer ready before responding.
Out of every single person I've ever met in my life, I know three who grew up not believing and then found religion. (Two of them I met on myLot.) Every nonbeliever I know simply took the time to ponder the existence of a god in a rational way.
More answers to your question will undoubtedly be:
God works in mysterious ways.
God is testing mankind to make it perfect.
It seems imperfect because the end times are upon us.
All will be revealed to you in time.
I realize nonbelievers really get a bad name when attempting to discuss religious topics with religious people, because it takes a huge amount of effort to not come across as condescending. But one thing I can say for a nonbeliever compared to a believer: At least a nonbeliever is willing to make a right turn every once a while.
I agree with you. Humans are more intelligent than any god. Also a lot more compassionate. At least we're trying to perfect the system. God is fine with randomly destroying sht.
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
1 Apr 12
Sometimes it's very difficult to understand you. You know, I have a few friends from Romania. In my time working online, I have met Remus, Ovidiu, Nicu and Marin. If you ever need to type in Romanian, I can get them to translate for me so I can better understand what you're trying to say.
I don't know what you mean by "hide behind the word 'humans.'"
I do believe humans are more intelligent than a god, because I do not believe a god exists. I believe a god to be a creation of man, so obviously man would be more intelligent and more powerful, because man is god's creator.
And, yes, you are the king of pointless semantics. We ALL believe in something. Yes.
A cookie for iuliuxd.
What that has to do with anything, I have no earthly idea.
I believe my father is my father. I haven't seen any DNA results. But guess what -- I'm willing to take it on FAITH! I have enough evidence to make me believe as much, such as looking alike, picking up his habits, inheriting his traits, the fact he was always there, the fact he and my mother told me he is my father. Thus I believe.
Yes. We all believe in something.
Some of us, however, just want a little bit of evidence before we believe.
If you've found yours, more power to you.
I know you think you're droppin' wisdom bombs with your generic reasoning, but I just don't see how anything you cite has any equivalency to a belief in one creator. More specifically, the inference that I'm a "believer" in the same context as a religious person because there are also things I believe in.
If you wish to continue trolling me, I'll probably continue to answer.
Other than that, have a good one!
Yes. We all believe in something.
Some of us, however, just want a little bit of evidence before we believe.
If you've found yours, more power to you.
I know you think you're droppin' wisdom bombs with your generic reasoning, but I just don't see how anything you cite has any equivalency to a belief in one creator. More specifically, the inference that I'm a "believer" in the same context as a religious person because there are also things I believe in.
If you wish to continue trolling me, I'll probably continue to answer.
Other than that, have a good one!
@iuliuxd (4453)
• Romania
1 Apr 12
Oh but i wasn`t trying to troll you i was just trying to tell you not to use the word humans referring to the human specie because at least 1 of them doesn`t want to be a part of " us humans ".I don`t believe in "humanism " i think it is a very bad religion compared with any other religion and it works against the theory of evolution which states that in order for me to be happy i must do anything in my power in order to survive without carrying about the rest.
Now i`m sure you believe your daddy is your daddy, but i wasn`t talking about that.I was talking about the big bang stories and the evolution stories.Unless you have studied physics and biology for at least 20 years i can assume you believe some of these stories are true because you have faith in those people who are telling you those stories.There are other people with the same type of studies that are telling you the evolution story is BS but you don`t believe them.That`s what i wanted to say when i said we all are believers.We just believe in different types of stories.
@iuliuxd (4453)
• Romania
1 Apr 12
But one thing I can say for a nonbeliever compared to a believer: At least a nonbeliever is willing to make a right turn every once a while.
That`s not true we are all believers.We just believe in different things.And let`s not talk about humans being more intelligent than a god.Why do you hide behind the word "humans " ? Show the others how intelligent you are as a person.
@bird123 (10643)
• United States
31 Mar 12
This is an exact system. I can understand your confusion since you lack so much knowledge of why, what, and how things are really working. You must also understand the Goal to it all. When science discovers something, doesn't it just open more doors to a more complex lesson to learn?? It would be a mistake to make broad assumptions based on limited knowledge.
Look closer at this world. I see a Masterpiece!!
Oh yes, I must comment on the bragging on modern farming. They better stay on their toes and realize the importance of genetic diversification. In time,it could cause a great famine if they ignore such things.
@Chiang_Mai_boy (3882)
• Thailand
31 Mar 12
Christoph56 your argument only works if we assume that the only possible god is the god of the Abrahamic creation myths. There are many concepts of god that have no trouble fitting natural selection into the mix.
@Christoph56 (1504)
• Canada
31 Mar 12
Then tell me, what is the benefit of plants beating out other plants, or animals beating out other animals, or plants vs animals or vice versa? If they were perfectly made, there would be no reason for them to beat eachother out, or compete against eachother... that just leads to groups of them dying off, and destruction happening while the better ones take the upper hand. Makes perfect sense with natural selection, makes no sense with the idea that God made everything how he wanted it
@iuliuxd (4453)
• Romania
29 Mar 12
At least he made your brain right otherwise you wouldn`t think the living world is not a perfect system.Or he made everything right and your brain wrong.Or he made everything right, your brain right but then the entropy was added to the living world.Or he made everything right but then your brain went wrong at a certain moment.There can be many answers not just God exist or he does not exist.
I think you can find in the bible that after a certain moment the whole creation started to collapse : "For the creation was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who has subjected the same in hope,Because the creation itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.For we know that the whole creation groans and travails in pain together until now."
I think you can find in the bible that after a certain moment the whole creation started to collapse : "For the creation was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who has subjected the same in hope,Because the creation itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.For we know that the whole creation groans and travails in pain together until now."@Christoph56 (1504)
• Canada
29 Mar 12
But, our brains are not perfect, at all... we see things that aren't there, or don't see things that are right in front of us... we have to study like crazy to understand almost anything, and even at the point when we understand it, we realize it's impossible to understand it... and all it takes is a tiny problem, and our brains can just fall apart, which can lead to zillions of health problems, or just plain insanity.
This is not a perfect system... if our brains were perfect, we'd never have war, we'd never hurt eachother, we wouldn't steal, all we'd do, is help eachother out, and everything else around us, to such an enormous extent, that we'd be part of everything working perfectly...
Now, in the concept that God did that, until we started to think, then why didn't he just make us think in the way that would help everything else? Why didn't he set up the world to be perfect? We did not make nature work the way it does, with it's many imperfections... that happened long before us, and in the religious sense, that's how God did it... meaning, if God made this world, God made an extremely imperfect system, that simply falls into constant entropy.
@Christoph56 (1504)
• Canada
31 Mar 12
So, you're saying, that it is because of us, that plants want to try and do better then other plants? Lets just say, that the biblical story of Eve and the Apple was true... how does that make any sense in why there is no perfection in the plants and animals of the world? Why do plants and animals want to beat eachother out? Why do they kill off eachother to extinction? Why don't they just work perfectly together in a system?
This sounds much more like a natural world, then a God made world...
@iuliuxd (4453)
• Romania
30 Mar 12
Well if you read the damn book you will see he made everything perfect but then we trusted the snake more than we trusted him.He wanted us to have free will because as someone said there is no virtue in what is the result of mere force.So yes our brain is corrupt now but according with the book we have the possibility to fix it.
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@samar54 (2454)
• Egypt
29 Mar 12
"The best system for anything, is an exact system"
You do not find in the universe around you,or anything covered by the phrase? if there is Not exact system all over the universe it end after it created , hit the planets to each other, fell to heaven on earth .
Now and see for yourself how to live and how your body works members
@Christoph56 (1504)
• Canada
29 Mar 12
Yeah, the universe, the galaxies, the planet, our bodies, none of them are any kind of exact, perfect system... in fact, they have so many problems, that people can only even live on extremely remote areas. Even on earth, it's only safe for people to live on around 10% of the planet... let alone how the vast majority of planets out there, we could not live on, at all... and for us, we die so easily. Get bitten by many animals, or insects, and we could die... eat the wrong food, drink the wrong water, stay in the wrong area... so many things can kill us so easily. If it was a perfect world, we wouldn't have to deal with any of that.
@Christoph56 (1504)
• Canada
31 Mar 12
Oh, there are loads and loads of things that I love, but the vast majority of things I love, are ones that people put together, from thinking it through, and making it with very few problems.
There are also things I love that are just naturally there... I love a sunset, or seeing the clouds move across the sky, I love seeing animals in the wild, I love so many things in the world around us... but... I would not want to touch those clouds, because I'd freeze and couldn't breathe... and I would not go up to those animals in the wild, because there are all sorts of things that they could do it me. I do love so many things out there, but the world is dangerous too, and we all have to watch out for that. It is not, a perfect world.
@braveheart07 (2601)
• Philippines
16 Apr 12
Christoph56, if you are asking this question out of ignorance, I would be willing to give my best with the help of GOD to answer your question with proofs both biblically and scientifically.
If you are asking, why didn't God make anything right? My question is what is your gauge in saying or concluding that GOD did not make anything right? What is your basis in saying this? You see, you are giving examples out of ignorance. I am sorry to say this and I hope you will not get offended, but that is the truth. Why? Who are you to question GOD? Are you more knowledgeable than GOD? In the book of Isaiah 55:8, it reads:
"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD." (Isaiah 55:8 KJV)
In fact, everything that was made was created good, because God is the fountain and source of all goodness.
"And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good." (Genesis 1:31)
"For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving." (1 Timothy 4:4)
I will share to you a documentary about GOD of Wonders. Here, you will be able to see and realize that all living and nonliving creature that was created by GOD is good and wonderful. This is proven scientifically by scientists and other people who extensively studied life and science and also by bible scholars. If you believe in Science, you MUST also believe in GOD.
Please watch it entirely from part 1 to part 6. I recommend that you watch it up to the end since your question will be answered when watching this documentary with GOD's help.
Source: TheGospelTrain, youtube.
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BoPEdDeSvw
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaJjh1Zr_Bs&feature=related
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A4fp7Y8k7Y&feature=related
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Part 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SkWnrUZZ_Y&feature=related
Part 6: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw8ecR1HsNo&feature=related
To GOD Be The Glory!!
@Pose123 (21635)
• Canada
29 Mar 12
Hi Christoph, God is not a separate being but one with all that is. We have all heard the saying, "God helps those who help themselves",and it is true because we all make up God. What you say here would make sense if one thinks of God as an old man, living somewhere above the clouds who, one day, many years ago, decided to create the universe and make this tiny planet that we call earth, the center of that universe, the only place with life. I don't buy into that sort of thing but do believe that there is more to life than meets the eye. Blessings.
@Christoph56 (1504)
• Canada
29 Mar 12
I agree, there is way more to life then what we can just see in front of us or touch with out hands... this planet is a very very complex place, and nothing is just "simple".
@redhotpogo (4401)
• United States
28 May 12
Maybe he did make everything perfect and we just can't see it. Like a large painting. Up close we would be like "WTF is this mess? This is horrible." but if we backed up and looked we would be like "Oh wow this is an amazing picture of a cat playing poker while riding on a unicycle and playing the bongo with it's tail."
@edxcast (1168)
• Ecuador
1 Apr 12
It is not because of God that those things happens. It is because of the absence of God that happens. You might say, "hey why God doesn´t do something to change this stuff" It is because God has made us with free will to love Him. We wouldn´t be able to do so if we were "programmed" to love him and to be good, because it wouldn´t be of our choice.
@Christoph56 (1504)
• Canada
1 Apr 12
Yes, I agree, this situation shows the total absence of God. Obviously, God isn't playing any part on what's going on, here on earth.
So, by that, what's showing that there needs to be a god involved, whatsoever?
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
1 Apr 12
One thing I've always wanted to understand: Why is the chance creation of a universe absurd but a supreme, all-powerful God who has just always been there forever and ever before anything with no creator considered to be the enlightened answer?
@edxcast (1168)
• Ecuador
1 Apr 12
I didn´t say it was a complete absence of God. You seem to only see the bad things that happens in the world. But what about the good things that happens around here? Why don´t you say how much good there is in the world? How many people has change because they have found God in their life. How nature is a complex system, so that declaring that the creation of the universe was just by mere chance is as absurd than saying your computer/laptop has being made by "mere chance".... God can only do perfect things. I already explained why there is bad things in the world (people that leave God aside). A sin is the absence of God. That doesn´t mean the world is completely absent of God for you to say that you are denying all the good things that has happened in the world, specially the good deeds people do in God´s name.
@speedytypist (571)
• United States
3 Apr 12
In suffering we seek God for healing, deliverance, and salvation from what we see as an imperfect world.We are made perfect in Jesus Christ by the indwelling of God's Spirit. We are cleansed and made holy by our creator so that we can be in His presence eternally.
I believed and of course God made things right. Example, in our body as a human being God made it perfectly in His sight. He made the holes of our nose side down and its perfect. Imagine if the holes of our nose are on the top and every time its raining the water pours inside our nose. It is sounds silly but it is true. Just in our body or ourselves we can prove that God exist and He is real. Those plants on the grounds have their own purpose why they grow lower than the tree. God define perfection differently than people define it. Some animals eat other kind of animal because they created as predator and God created their prey to feed them. Everyone and everything has its own purpose in this earth. We might see it not right but somehow it is right according to each purposes. God gave man an intellect to create things but it doesn't mean that man is more intelligent than His creator. I believed that God exist and if we will only let Him in inside our heart we can feel His presence and its truly an amazing feeling and experience than a mankind is ever felt. :)
@AmericanNotes (82)
• United States
29 Mar 12
Why did GOD make anything Wrong!? it' just makes no sence #lilieth
@Christoph56 (1504)
• Canada
29 Mar 12
I agree! There are so many problematic things on this planet that could have been put together so much better, if some form of a God had actually done it.
