Why aren't there more Libertarians?
By speakeasy
@speakeasy (4171)
United States
March 29, 2012 5:18pm CST
We keep complaining that there are only 2 parties with any influence and the Independants that don't support any party.
But, actually, in addition to the Republicans and Democrats, we have the following recognized political parties in the US -
(listed alphabetically)
2 Communist Parties - PSL and CPUSA
Green Party
Libertarian Party
5 Socialist Parties - ISO, SEP, WSPUS, SA and SPUSA
(sorry, the Tea Party is NOT an officially recognized political party)
The thing is that the platform of the Libertarian Party addresses a lot of issues that a majority of Americans SAY they want in a political party -
The slogan is "Party of Principal - Minimum Government, Maximum Freedom" and a definition of what the party stands for is "The Libertarian party believes in personal freedom while maintaining personal responsibility, non-interference of government in personal, family, and business decisions, and the free pursuit of individual interests. The party currently advocates for smaller government, lower taxes, and additional freedom. Libertarians are neither classified as liberal or conservative, as they encourage both personal and economic liberty while attempting to lower taxes and removing bureaucratic regulation of business. As mentioned on their website, "Think of us as a group of people with a "live and let live" mentality and a balanced checkbook"."
So, small government, balanced budget, and personal freedom. Isn't that what so many people have been saying they want?
So, why are there so few Libertarians. They are the third largest party; but, seem to have very little political power at this time. Maybe it is time for those of us who are fed up with the Democrats and Republicans to switch over and become Libertarians. It is too late to change anything in the 2012 Presidential election; but, it could make a big difference in future elections.
If you want more information about this party - http://www.lp.org/
5 responses
@dark_joev (3034)
• United States
30 Mar 12
I am a Libertarian as in I am actually registered that way.
See the real issue is when the Libertarian Party came into being it had to face the challenge of getting on the Ballot across the nation which the Republicans and Democrats have made really hard to do for a new Political Party. The Libertarian Party in 1988 ran a guy by the name of Ron Paul and well he didn't do all that well because he had to spend most of his money on getting on the Ballot. See this led to many would be Libertarians to leave the party and go to the Democrats or the Republican parties to try and change one of the major parties into being more Libertarian so you have would be libertarians in both parties now they don't make up a large percentage of those parties even though right now the Republicans are having issues between their Liberty Caucus and the Conservative Christian side of their party. Ron Paul represents the former while someone like Rick Santorum is the latter.
To the what are Libertarians we are the counter to Authoritarians. You could also classify a Libertarian as a Classical Liberal. The issue though with Libertarianism is that there is quite a range on Libertarian thought.
To give you some of the range
Ayn Rand would make up the Right wing of Libertarian thought
Milton Friedman, Penn Jillette would make up the Center Libertarian thought.
Noam Chomsky would make up the left.
Now the above is just an example there are others that would make up the thinking parts of those three different areas of Libertarian thought. The issue is that Libertarians from each separate branch don't really recognize that the other two out side of theirs even exist. So if you got a person who represented each separate branch we wouldn't realize that each where Libertarian. So if the Libertarians ever did come to power for lets say replacing the Democrats we would have just as many problems getting a rank and follow sort of line going that the Republicans can get from their members.
If the Libertarians replaced the Democrats well some stuff would get done but once again we would be fractured among the role of government. Because the Ayn Rand followers believe their should be close to no government while the other two believe in their being a balance for the Milton Friedman sort of Libertarians and then Noam Chomsky calls himself a Socialist Libertarian. So he and his followers believe that we need to have far more Government that leaves people alone to a certain level.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
30 Mar 12
http://www.lp.org/platform
Thanks for the explanation. I have read both Ayn Rand and Milton Friedman. Noam Chomsky, not so much. I read his book on human language becasue I am very interested in the subject, and while I admire his scientific approach and knowledge, I sensed something underlying it all that made me uncomforable. Maybe your explanation is the reason why I did not feel comfortable with his book entirely.
@dark_joev (3034)
• United States
30 Mar 12
Yeah he is a representative of a very under represented section of Libertarian thought.
Oh and to those that want to find a Libertarian out there that maybe some of you will recognize he was the New Mexico Governor that vetoed more bills than all the rest in the Nation. His name is Gary Johnson and he is running as an Libertarian.
http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/front
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
30 Mar 12
I've heard of him. Is he still in the race? I remember you were thinking of backing Ron Paul back before I had to leave for awhile. Are you backing him or Gary Johnson? or either?
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
30 Mar 12
Because most people do not want to be held responsible and accountable, which is the hallmark of true libertarian thought. They'd rather have someone to blame, or someone to take the blame for their bad decsions in life.
@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
30 Mar 12
And, I would have to say that is the result of their elders (parents, teachers, church leaders) not instilling responsiblity and accountablility in them when they were growing up.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
31 Mar 12
I agree with your reasoning.
I like the libertarian platform, and I to wish there was a way to make it possible for a third party in our system to have a chance, one that had a fighting chance.
I've read up on how we got to the place we are with only being two parties but will post this link to wikipedia where it is explained;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-party_system
scroll down to 'causes'.
@GardenGerty (160626)
• United States
29 Mar 12
I think it is a self defeating mindset. People believe libertarians cannot win,so they stick with either the dems or republicans because they believe their vote has more clout. I think we need to look at this idea. More than once.
@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
30 Mar 12
I am so upset about what the Republican party has become that I was thinking about going independant; but, I did some investigating and found this part which is more along the lines that I support.
After all, independants have even less of a chance of winning; and, if even half of the people who are fed up with the Republicans and/or Democrats switch the Libertarians would stand a real chance.
@keasling (723)
• United States
29 Mar 12
I did not become aware of the libertarian party till my government class. That is when I realized that I believed more in what libertarians wanted than I did of republicans or democrats. I fully endorse Ron Paul this year. Even though he has drastic ideas, I believe that he is the only one that get this country going back into the right direction. I try to get the word out through twitter and Facebook and I think I have turned over some to the Libertarian party. The best thing we can do is inform our friends with correct knowledge and hopefully they will see the light.
@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
30 Mar 12
I had heard of them before; but, never knew what they were for or against. Now that I know more about them, I plan to become even more informed about them and will probably switch over to them.
I think that lack of publicity is the party's biggest problem. With so many people fed up with the Republicans and Democrats this is the perfect time to start putting themselves out there and grow before 2016.
@AidaLily (1450)
• United States
29 Mar 12
That sounds like a somewhat decent party. I'd honestly have to hear a candidate from the party speak, but it sounds alright.
The reason why most people aren't in that party? There are quite a few.
1. Most people probably don't know about it.
2. Most people would read that party name and assume that everyone in it is an extreme liberal.
3. Most people only believe the news and paid media from both sides. Which means they will never know about it if a media outlet refuses to show them without lining their own pockets.
4. Most people want to believe that either of the main parties are actually two different parties. They aren't. No matter what lies they tell people, democrats and republicans are the same party.. they only become 'separate' parties to get the ones they want into the government during election times. Its pretty easy. Its like the people who make name-brand and generic things. They still delude people into thinking the name-brands are better when they are the ones making the generics and getting money from both.
5. In accordance with the last statement, that one party needs everyone else shut out so they can keep their control on the government. This party will have no chance as long as Americans continue to delude themselves into believing Republicans and Democrats are two separate parties. Which means this party doesn't stand a chance unfortunately.
Those are the reasons people don't support it. If they did you could guarantee bad media to get people back to believing in those two main 'separate' parties.
I however will check it out. Thanks for the link.
@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
30 Mar 12
Well, when I heard "libertarian", I thought liberty not liberal. And, some of what they say is "liberal"; because, they believe in the government butting out and letting people make their own decisions and live their own lives.
When you stated the the Republicans and Democrats are very similar you are right. One of the things I did was take a quiz and at the end it compared my results on their "grid" with ALL of the presidential candidates. Obama and ALL of the Republican candidates were very close to each other in the same "sector".