Teachers are overpaid.....
By asyria51
@asyria51 (2861)
United States
April 15, 2012 8:16pm CST
I am really tired of hearing this. It is Sunday and I spent 6 hours in my classroom today. I returned emails, graded papers, changed bulletin boards, made copies, and created technology based lesson plans.
Then I go to another site and see this whole diatribe where teachers have it so easy what with just an 8 hour work day and summers off and all of those vacations.
I cannot remember the last day I had an 8 hour work day. I get to school by 7:30, lucky to leave by 4:30 and normally do not take a real lunch instead having kids in for extra help. I then go home do all of the stuff I have to do at home, like spend time with my own child, feed her, read with her, and get her to bed, and then it is a minimum of an hour and a half checking emails, updating the class webpage (required by my district), and reading an articles on the best practices of teaching reading and math.
I will spend full days over the summer in my classroom getting it ready for next year, not to mention 100's of my own dollars so that the kids have the supplies that then need to be successful in class. I will also have a minimum of 5 full days of training on our new data management system and the new Math text book program and all of the online resources.
Every time someone goes on about how teachers are overpaid, I want them to just be in my shoes for one morning. Every morning I run Guided Reading...that means not just one set of lesson plans and resources, but 3 sets for the three different reading levels. And differentiated Math which means not one set of plans but again three sets of plans and resources. If they can manage, successfully for one morning, I may let them rant at me, but if they throw up their hands in defeat, which i am sure most would they would not be allowed to say another word.
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12 responses
@bjc66bjc (6730)
• United States
16 Apr 12
Wow asyria, I truly praise teacher for their places in this
world of children...I honestly have never heard anyone say
that teacher were overpaid...but if I ever do I will certainly
have your back...I think this is one of the most difficult
jobs there is....
Iust think teacher have to teach children life....need..info.
stuff that a parent don't always know or have the time to explain
teach it to their children..
Kudos to all teachers....you are truly not overpaid....
keep up the good work.....
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@superbadx (484)
• Malaysia
16 Apr 12
Well, i don't know how much did they pay your teacher there. But here, i think teachers are not paid well enough. As a student, i know what you are talking about because i'm good with my teachers and i sometimes help them doing things for school or their class. A teach does not just teach 1 classroom or just 1 subject, but they teaches more than 1 subject in more than 1 classroom. Imagine each classroom has 30-40 students and the teachers have to handle 10 classroom in 2 subject from the age of 15-17 students. It means they have to handle about 90-120 students and make a profile of each and everyone for the subject they are teaching. And i surely know that some teachers actually use their own pocket money to actually teach us the students and make it easier for us. I also know the fact that teachers salary only increases after each year but not much, in fact too little and they may have a good income after working for like 15-25 years or get ranked for something. This is what i actually love about teachers, they actually honest in teaching and not just think of it as to feed their family, but to actually make the new generation of the next leader to be successful in life.
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@carolbee (16230)
• United States
16 Apr 12
I admire any and all teachers. After all, teachers are taking over where we, as parents, leave off. Meaning the kids go from home to school and it's a continuous learning process. Teachers aren't overpaid and I also resent parents who make any such statement. I'm not a teacher. Just a mom of three adult girls and six grandkids. I appreciate all that our kids have learned and will continue to learn. Thank you very much from St. Louis.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
16 Apr 12
hi asyria I feel for you as I have friends who are teachers and they all have about the same things as you do.they really earn what they 'are paid. Its a shame that good teachers do not get paid much but singers, and actor and such make millions and a lot of times what they sing or act does not help a young person to learn anything while good teachers lessons you will all really remember.I thank
several teachers for making me really love to read, and some for
helping me to write better.NO in no way do I think our teachers are
overpaid at all.
@savemoney4familyfun (162)
• United States
17 Apr 12
i think that some teachers are not paid enough , i help my sons school out by donating some supply to keep the kids healthy like cleaning supply because the teacher said thats all she needed so i gave a bunch to my son to take to school it made his day to be able to help . around here there are some teachers that are over paid or should not even be a teacher but thats beside the point people should be happy that their kids are in school learning
@rogue13xmen13 (14403)
• United States
16 Apr 12
This is an outright lie. Teachers don't get paid that much at all. Actors, actresses, and CEOs are overpaid, but not teachers.
Teachers make up to $54,000 starting, and about $70,000 a year if that, and this is, I think, if they have been there a while. Now, professors at universities and colleges make around $70,000 starting and up to $90,000 a year if they have been there a while, and that isn't always enough, especially if you are taking care of a family. I know some of my professors who shop at thrift stores and discount stores because they don't want to over spend in case they have to go a semester or a quarter without working. I know some of my professors who make their own clothes because they really are trying to save their money in case something happens. They also have to go to conferences, and they have to pay for most of those out of their own pockets.
Also, you have to account for the times that they don't paid, which is Summer and probably part of Winter, and maybe Spring Break. Also, yes, teachers and professors have to pay for most of their own teaching material and learning aids depending on what it is.
I am defending teachers because I am going to teach this Summer at my university as a TESL (Teaching English as a Second Language) Student Teacher (I finally have a job teaching International Students the English Language), and I know that I have to go to training sessions and I have to buy much of my own material, and I am going to be living off of Ramen Noodles by the end of the month. Also, I think that FedEx/Kinkos is going to become my new best friend.
@randylovesdar (4932)
• United States
16 Apr 12
I know I have heard this before. I am a graduate student who is studying early childhood education and I know that teachers are underpaid and at times under appreciated. I know when I had volunteered in a classroom I would hear parents complain that their child was not doing well in school and it was the teachers fault. I also heard parents say "my kid is in school for 6 hours a day, why do they have to spend more hours doing homework"? I have a friend who teaches special education and she paid on her own for sign language classes because she had a student who was deaf. She had asked the school to help her pay for the course and the school refused. My friend would also buy supplies so the parents did not have to spend money buying supplies. I would love to know what teacher is getting paid well so I can work for that school. I commend you for everything you do for your students.
@triplejazzm51 (1373)
• Philippines
16 Apr 12
Hi asyria, i cloud see that you are a really dedicated teacher, so lucky are your students. I don't know how much you earn as a teacher in your place, but here in the Philippines teachers have been given better compensation already compared to before. I know they are already happy with what they are receiving and they have lots of opportunities also for continuing education.
For your case, maybe your government should make a move to study your salary scale against your duties plus your dedication to your job. Teachers, to be able to ensure that their students really learn, goes beyond what is expected of them. So you must be paid attention to and be given just compensation and benefits. I know of schools here in our place that charges all learning supplies and materials to their students. Maybe you could do that too if that is allowed in your place?
@marie2052 (3691)
• United States
16 Apr 12
HI Asyria51. I can understand your feelings since you are a teacher.
I guess there is 2 sides to a coin.
And I have learned that WELL!!!
My oldest son had a reading disability which not a teacher ever had him tested for.
By the time he turned 16 he dropped out of school. He was literally going in the front door when I dropped him off and going straight through to the back door and out to play hookey.
I never knew he did not know how to read. He hid it well.
so teachers and us as parents let him down.
My baby son, he was having reading problems too. I knew the signs now and had him helped all through his childhood elementary years.
when he got to middle school, he had it made. since he had a reading disability all he had to do was be read to instead of being taught to read, and they would read tests to him and he picked the answer.
This son was smart as a whip in all areas.
However my husband and I split up and he stayed with dad til he got out of 6th grade. He was supposed to come to me after 6th grade.
Dad decided he had more custody than me and said he was not going to let him come live with me (arent the courts and lawyers just fun)
So after 2 1/2 years in courts, and thousands of dollars later, my ex finally made a serious mistake with my son and I got him.
by then he was entering 10th grade. But for all my working with him and his teachers, he was still at 6th to 8th grade reader. Because Dad took him out of his school to a different district a 100 miles away, and this school decided he would not be able to go to college and start training him for vocational life.
So when I got him, and read his papers, I was livid. I then took him to Sylvan and got him tested. He was 6th to 8th grade reader. Took him to the high school he was supposed to go to in the fall with me. Talked to the counselor and explained his reading disability, she replied, oh you will be surprised he will be fine. I am sorry to tell you that we do not have specialized help with reading. But he is sharp and I am sure he will do well in high school.
GULP...
After that interview, I went to a Protestant run school. Met with the Director. He tested him and agreed he was between a 6th and 8th grade reader.
with 3 different assessments on his reading I went back to the high school and talked to the principal. He not only was a principal, he was also a pastor at a local church. he read the reports, looked above his glasses and said genuinely I would not put him in High School. I am so afraid he is not ready for it (at last someone open and genuine with me)
So to make a long story shorter, My son begged me during this whole process to homeschool him.
Good Lord, I thought he had done lost his mind.
He kept saying to me Mom you know my problems you know how to break this down so I can learn it.
I said, Yes but son, algerbra, geometry, trigometry...chemistry, all these required classes were running around in my head and I had graduated high school in 1970!
My girlfriend online that I knew had a son who had learning disabilities. She had decided to homeschool her son.
I talked to her. they were not doing the full enrollment where all the classes on a daily basis were given but rather a set of 10 books on each subject he needed to graduate and then his tests at the end of each chapter.
She gave me the name of it.
when I went to the Protestant school to have my son tested, what do you think I found staring me in the face?
A pamphlet of this same school she had been talking about.
When my son's tests were finished, and I sat down with the director, I asked him about this homeschool brochure I had found in the waiting room.
Yes he said we are going to start working with this school in cojunction for the parents that want to homeschool their children.
Well that pretty much put me in full circle with this particular school in homeschooling.
here I was hearing it from a friend, and a director of a religious sector school.
I finally looked up on the internet and read on this school, and I did get courage to call.
When I spoke to a counselor she assured me I would not be doing this alone.
I could pay for all his required books, and admission to the school.
Once I talked to someone, I guess I got a little bravado in me and sat down with my son, and explained to him the difference between going to school and homeschooling.
What I did like about homeschooling was the fact that he would have 12 whole months for each school year instead of 9 months with all those days off that he desperately needed to pass.
So we talked, discussed, and I had to even pray about this. While I had been a teacher in the past, it was not any kind of elementary or junior high or high school. Even they had to test him to see where to place him and yes they even agreed he was between a 6th to 8th grade reader!
I finally hit the bull head on and paid for tuition, admission, books,etc.
Of course you know I am a taxpayer as is everyone and I am still paying to have my child to be learned by public schools yet I just paid EXTRA to give him a GOOD education.
Let me tell you nothing prepared me for 6 different classes a day.
Yes I understand your own crap you had to do because like you I had to do it every day 7 days a week for 6 classes. I was not a college learned teacher. So everything my son was going to learn, I had to learn cold turkey immediately.
the only reassurance I think I would have had teaching in a high school would have been teaching 1 class 6 hours a day. I think it would have been easier to have taught the class. Except you always get some butt heads that are not going to learn and interfere with the class room instruction and get everyone off key of what they were learning for the day UGH.
But I take my hat off to you for doing what you do, however there are some teachers and school districts that ARE overpaid.
I learned this in a serious way teaching my youngest child.
by this I mean there is a curriculem to follow and if a child is not getting it the main teacher does not have time to slow down to help those kids that do have disabilities (remember what the high school counselor told me).
But I can say for all my late nights, burning the candle at both ends, my son never made less than a B on any grade, and graduated in 2010 with a 3.42 GPA and was 158 out of over 600 students. so he graduated with his class in the upper 1/3rd.
While I am brain damaged from all of it LOL, seeing him grow, learn, have as much hands on as possible to make his learning easier, yes I had to buy a microscope, I had to buy beakers, and bunsen burners, I had to turn my isle in the kitchen into a biology lab, chemistry lab, and home ec lab, I would not trade it to see what my son accomplished.
When he disliked history we would pack up for a couple of days, and I would take him to different historic forts, sites, even towns so he could see first hand what the history was about.
While a classroom teacher does not have that much time or privilege to teach like this, I am greatful I could give the world so to speak to my son while learning the simple things as the Constitution, how the pilgrims felt landing in America, etc.
When we thought we had learned everything in biology, we would sneak off for the day and go to the beach, and find sea life to bring back and explore under the microscope.
While I think you are a A+ teacher for all you are doing, I can also say with my son and his personal experience that not all teachers and school districts are worth their pay! I deffinately feel some are overpaid. Someone like you and I that go out of our way and above the call of duty, we are the silent ones that never get recognized for teaching right or teaching at all.
bless you hon. and I do secretly hope you get a raise!
@Inderjeetkaur (944)
• India
16 Apr 12
Oh! You work really hard on your students. I am also quite sure that the complainants would not be able to handle all the burden and stress that you do even for a single day and would throw up their hands in defeat.
I have been taking tuition from past few years and work really hard on my students though its nothing compared to what you do. My student's parent's appreciate my teaching skills, but often keep complaining that I charge too much. They would keep saying that "Oh! You don't have too much work to do. You only have to guide them then why you charge so much". I simply tell them that if their children are intelligent enough then why do they send them for tuition.
Seriously the hard-work and the efforts that we teachers put in are not counted and we are considered to be overpaid. It is really
@WumpyPPancakes (117)
• United States
16 Apr 12
Hi, Asyria:
I understand where you are coming from concerning teachers working very hard and not getting an adequate reflection of pay for that work.
I've been in the education sector before doing professional tutoring and teaching. Even though it was a part time job, it felt like a full time job. We were basically secondary teachers helping the students who were very behind in their fundamentals (This was high school). I tell you...it is a lot of work in trying to help students build their fundamentals when the students and their parents want you to help them master the difficult concepts. One of the major issues we went into is that most of the students and their parents did not understand that the reason why they could not master the daily concepts in their subjects was because there were many holes missing from their fundamental educational background.
The teachers who are excellent (like you and many on here) can do so much for students who have holes in the educational background. In today's academic curriculum, they want students to test well at the majority of the public schools. What tends to happen is that teachers put actual teaching subject matter in the background for all purposes of learning...and have to focus on getting students ready to take these tests and make high scores on them.
A students can score highly on a test; however, the students still may not know how to do basic Algebra overall. What I am attempting to express is that...there is a lot of work even test prepping your students to pass these state standardized tests. All the work and dedication you put in to some school systems are overlooked. Instead of teaching getting paid around $30,000 to $50,000 on average--they need to get paid six digit incomes--of course, for the ones who are really making progress, working hard, and their students are actually making some type of progress in the classroom.
Teachers are not overpaid...they are unpaid. You are doing a lot of work OUTSIDE the classroom even though you are salaried. And you're working just as hard inside the classroom, too. Not all students are "general learners"... Actually, a lot of them need as much attention as possible. However, there is only one teacher per class with, on the average about 25-30 kids, in a classroom. It can be very overwhelming...and quite upsetting when some people make remarks such as.
I also think teachers should get paid more because we are educating the population. We are inspiring students or help guiding them to their abilities of becoming productive citizens. Nothing is more important than having role models, guides and/or teachers...
I also think what would make the teachers' jobs easier is if parents were involved in their children learning. Parents don't have to be super intelligent or smart...but they can be encouraging and maximize on their children to learn everything they can by just making sure that they are doing their homework...and encouraging other role models who are highly educated to supplement their education.