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Trayvon Martin Vs. Stand Your Ground Law
By Netsbridge
@Netsbridge (3253)
United States
April 22, 2012 11:36am CST
17-year-old Trayvon Martin is stalked and murdered by self-elected neighborhood watchman George Zimmerman. About a month later, friends of George Zimmerman and Zimmerman allege Trayvon Martin had assaulted Zimmerman, leaving Zimmerman bruised and bleeding, and Zimmerman had shot and killed Trayvon Martin in self-defense; citing Florida’s dubious Stand Your Ground Law. Video clips showing George Zimmerman in custody of law officers shortly after the murder of Trayvon Martin shows no bruises or blood on George Zimmerman. George Zimmerman was released after briefly held in custody. Recorded conversation between 911 agent and George Zimmerman reveal an amicable relationship between 911 agent and Zimmerman who is known to report to 911 frequently, but no report of allege assault by Trayvon Martin on George Zimmerman even up to moment of gunshot.
Florida’s Stand Your Ground Law gives a person the right to use deadly force, if attacked where a person has legal right to be. Interestingly, George Zimmerman is said to be a criminal justice scholar, and I am still trying to figure how it is that any average or sane criminal justice scholar would fail to understand that stalking is an offense.
The Stand Your Ground Law does not give a license to kill people unprovoked. On March 26, then attorney for George Zimmerman suddenly alleged 17-year-old Trayvon Martin had attacked gun-toting George Zimmerman, resulting in the stalking death of Trayvon Martin. One has to be a total imbecile to come up with the allegation that a young Black male in the US had in fact walked up to a White male with a gun and attacked the white male unprovoked.
If anyone in this case had legit claim to Stand Your Ground Law, then it was Trayvon Martin, who was stalked and unjustly harassed for being where he had legal right to be: On public easement.
I believe in defending myself, my family and my property, but have no right to harass and/or unjustly take the life of anyone merely using a public easement. Florida’s Stand Your Ground Law gives no license to kill people unprovoked. And while such self-defense laws are permissible, all actors invoking such laws bear the burden of proof. People need to know when to pick a fight: An instigator cannot so quickly invoke self-defense - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sccaTPPFCk
I am of the opinion that George Zimmer is either a simpleton, is very stupid, or is just plain hate-driven. In any case, I think George Zimmerman is more likely a simpleton and was directly or indirectly coached to harass people by those around him who knew of his mental state. Thus, the coaches of George Zimmerman - State of Florida, Sanford police department, Gun Licensing Department (who all deputized mentally disabled Zimmerman) and his parents who failed to restrain a mentally disabled child – should be held liable for the murder of Trayvon Martin. No one should be deserving of death for merely walking down the streets of the US, or streets of any nation in Planet Earth.
Several days after the Trayvon Martin case went viral, prominent TV host Geraldo Rivera said Trayvon Martin had caused his own death by wearing a hoodie: If you look like a gangster, then you asked for it, Geraldo Rivera said. I guess by Geraldo Rivera’s reasoning, a woman wearing a miniskirt deserves to be rape, and non-conformists with minds of their own should all be annihilated.
Let me seize this opportunity to here inject that I am also aware that there exists a very tense relationship between Blacks and Hispanics, especially in the South, and some people intentionally take advantage of this situation and pitch these groups against each other.
While all good humans are enraged at the murder of anyone just walking down a US street, I here again plead with the Black Panthers to refrain from inciting more atrocity: If there ought to be a bounty for the Trayvon Martin case, then the bounty should be on the State of Florida, AG of Florida, Sanford, the DA’s office and Gun Licensing department.
And I wish Ms. Martin, mother of Trayvon Martin, would stop running her mouth, go home and mourn her son. Whatever Trayvon Martin was, he did not deserve death for merely taking a walk on a public easement. Woman, this is a crime against society and you, Ms. Martin, should zip up and go home to lament your son, or at least his pleasant memories.
The State of Florida and Sanford do not need public outrage to act on a matter so clearly challenging an issue of law. Unless, of course, wannabe cop George Zimmerman had in fact been deputized and coached to harass and murder people his society deems a nuisance.
“You can fool some people sometimes, but you can’t fool all the people all of the time.”
Brief History of George Zimmerman - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/12/george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin_n_1340358.html
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@matersfish (6306)
• United States
22 Apr 12
A lot of assumptions are made as to the timeline of this case. For instance, I don't know that George Zimmerman didn't say he was attacked the night of the shooting. Perhaps that was his "defense" from the start and the reason why no charges were filed initially.
I heard about another Florida case last week. A black guy shot a white guy and got off due to stand your ground.
First I'd heard about it. No outcry, of course. But whatever...
As to Geraldo, I have personally heard him qualify what he was saying well, well beyond that snippet you just provided without the slightest shred of context.
For the rest of it, well, we'll find out more about this confusing case as it drags out.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
23 Apr 12
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/29/tagblogsfindlawcom2012-blotter-idUS416295476820120329
What is self defense? Does it stop being defense if you run after your attacker?This black man did just that, same as they're saying Zimmerman did. He got off too. So where is the 'racism'? If a black man can do it and not be prosecuted, why are they prosecuting Zimmerman?
@crossbones27 (49432)
• Mojave, California
23 Apr 12
Sounds to me like there is just something wrong with the law. Think about it people if you give people a loophole to kill. Then guess what people are just going to find away to use that law to their advantage. Just like taxes. Nicely done lawmakers.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
23 Apr 12
http://dallasmorningviewsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2012/04/prosecutors-cas.html
Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara, pressed State Attorney's investigator Dale Gilbreath on details from the probable cause affidavit. Gilbreath, interestingly, said he did not expect to testify today, which indicates some lack of preparation among prosecutors. What did they expect?
"'Zimmerman confronted Martin.' Those words, where'd you get them from," O'Mara asked.
"According to one of the witnesses that we talked with, there were arguing words going on before this incident occured," Gilbreath said. He said "confronted," the word O'Mara took issue with, was one of probably 30 he could have used.
Interesting enough, but here's the money passage, which you will hear again at trial:
During further questioning by O'Mara, Gilbreath admitted that the state has no evidence who started the fight. There is also no evidence that Zimmerman didn't walk back to his car after chasing Martin on foot, as the defendant has claimed.
However, he said that Zimmerman's statements, as well as his description of the injuries he suffered, are contradicted by other evidence in the case.
In other words, there was words exchanged but no evidence Zimmerman chased Martin. In fact, I heard the 911 tape of the neighbor's call to police about the fight between the two, and you could hear a car door dinging in the background.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
23 Apr 12
And OJ didn't really kill his ex wife just because the gloves didn't fit or a cop said a bad word years ago.
I'm sick of all this conjecture and amature sluething. Watch MSNBC or Nancy Grace and you're an expert in forensics and law.
INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.
I only hope one day YOU do not have to be guilty until proven innocent for something.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
23 Apr 12
Well, I'm all for making it a reality (innocent until...), and all this cr@p is not getting at the truth.
We cannot just give in a accept things that are wrong Lamb. If we want ever to live in a world that is sane, we need to speak up and insist it matter.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
24 Apr 12
You and I have to quit agreeing so much, people will think you've gone bonkers. lol
I do agree. And here's just one more reason why; the axe is about to drop I do believe
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47138446/ns/politics-the_new_york_times/#.T5WXHvXYHu9
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
23 Apr 12
I am a white lady, and when I watch Maury or any show that shows black teenagers and Maury says that this girl is fourteen, I say no way, she looks to be in her twenties. No w if you are black, you could watch the same show and know that the girl is really fourteen. That is the same with Zimmerman. He honestly thought that Trayvon Martin was the same or close to the same age as he was because Zimmerman is not black. I also think one should not assume that Zimmerman is guilty and that Martin is completely innocent. It could be that the truth is somewhat in-between and that Zimmerman was reacting to experiences and that Traynon was in the wrong place at the wrong time because perhaps several blacks with hoodies had committed crimes in that neighbourhood.
This is a simple case of involuntary manslaughter it should not be turned into a race thing .
@Netsbridge (3253)
• United States
25 Apr 12
I wish you could hear yourself: You are advocating racial profiling. And by the way, while children are known to impersonate an older self, light-skinned people are known, naturally and scientifically, to look aged than they actually are.
I would buy involuntary manslaughter if Trayvon Martin had accidentally walked into George Zimmerman's house or property. Stalking and harassing a person for going through your neighborhood (even after advised by 911 not to) and then killing the person later appears premeditated.
Because some Black folks wearing hoodies committed some crime in your neighborhood does not give you the right to criminalize every Black person wearing hoodie as a criminal. To analyze or judge a group of people based on acts of its few is a disservice to that group of people:
This will be equivalent to judging, say, White American men based on statistics from Jim Jones, or Charles Manson, or Jeffrey Dahmer, or Gerald Eugene Stano, or John Wayne Gacy;
or to concluding that because some Catholic priests are pedophilias, that all Catholic priests are pedophilias;
or to judging the mental health of all Americans based on statistics from Andrea P. Yates, or Columbine High School shooters, or Virginia Tech shooter (especially since findings by both the Harvard School of Public Health and the US National Institute of Mental Health show that, although Blacks are more likely to suffer severe and disabling depression, it is Whites that are more likely to become mass murderers of innocent people);
or to assuming that because slavery was justified and fueled by Christians, that every Christian is for slavery, etc.
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@Netsbridge (3253)
• United States
29 Apr 12
If there were some of the likes of Charles Manson or Jeffrey Dahmer or John Wayne Gacy living or roaming in my neighborhood, I would be concerned and perhaps keep a secret tap on them, but not openly stalk or harass them: It is not anyone's business to stalk and harass people on public easement.
We know why what George Zimmerman told 911 and what 911 operator told George Zimmerman: Unedited version of tape was disclosed and George Zimmerman has made statements directly and via relatives - http://ph.news.yahoo.com/george-zimmerman-prelude-shooting-035415189.html
And if some Black person in the US killed a White person unprovoked and got away with the crime, then you should make some noise about that crime. No one has the right to unjustly take the life of another person and walk. Meanwhile, because injustice was done a some situation is no defense for continuing such injustice in society.
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
25 Apr 12
It seems that you are advocating racial profiling in reverse. If there were black criminals were hoodies stalking your neighbourhood, would you not be concerned? It also depends how frequently it occurs. If just one or two bad guys wearing hoodies wind were black, one would know that it was two tall guys wearing hoodies that happened to be grey, but if a whole bunch of them were committing the crimes, they you would be assuming that anyone with a hoodie would be a crook. The idea of the Catholic priests all being pedophiles would be wrong but the idea of pedophiles using Roman Catholicism and joining the priesthood as an opportunity to fool around with young altar boys would be feasible - opportunity.
Also no one knows what the state of mind of Zimmerman was.
As for the whites becoming mass murderers, I do not know what is worse a whole lot of blacks attacking a white guy or one white guy killing a whole lot of people. Seems to cancel each other out.
Also we do not know what the 911 person told or whether some parts of the conversation were left out. I just do not want to see this Zimmerman get committed for a crime when it was done by a black person against a white guy, that the latter would get off scott free. I believe in equal justice for all. I also ask why is it so bad when a white or part white guy kills a black man that people get all up in arms, and yet if the same thing was done in reverse - a black guy stalks a white guy and the white guy is killed, nary a whisper.