Obama Vs Ron Paul
By dark_joev
@dark_joev (3034)
United States
April 23, 2012 11:09pm CST
So because we don't actually know who is winning in the Republican side of things as many of the Delegates are non-binding so the official numbers reported by the media are guesses based off the performance of the candidate in the primary and not on actually how many delegates they actually gained.
So I am putting a slightly different showdown out there. If it comes down to it being Obama vs Ron Paul. Who do you think has the overall advantage?
Also do you think that Obama's campaign would be ready for Ron Paul to be the challenger as they seem to be spending quite a lot of energy on Romney right now?
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5 responses
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
24 Apr 12
The problem for Obama with facing Paul would be that Paul actually walks the alot of the talk Obama ran on in his first election. Issues of civil liberties and fiscal responsibility are just not areas Obama can claim he has lived up to his talk on.
The racism and homophobe nonsense claims can be pretty easily destroyed with demonstrable history of Paul's work, both as a physician and a congressman.
His consistency is also easily displayed. I have converted more people than I can count with a simple 8 minute video of him in his own words over the last 30 years. Try that with Obama. You can't even get 3 years of consistency with Obama, let alone 3 decades.
I have been following the delegate process over the last few days and I have to say that although I was skeptical at first, Doug Weed is a freaking genius.
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@dark_joev (3034)
• United States
25 Apr 12
It will be interesting to see and I agree he is really consistent it is actually almost scary with just how consistent he is on the issues that he takes a position on. I mean I don't agree with everything he has an position on but I understand where his position comes from and it is founded in reason so I accept it.
He would get my vote in an heart beat as he would be far better than Obama.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
24 Apr 12
I think they would really have to scramble to deal with Ron Paul. Their basic strategy would be the same as the Republican party. Call him extreme, crazy, isolationist, anarchist, etc. They would use the SuperPACs to frame him as a racist homophobe.
In my opinion the incumbent always has the advantage. Obama has a horrible record, and he's been a dishonest and crappy president, but he's still the president. He gets to fly around the country campaigning on the taxpayer's dime. He doesn't have to spend money getting people to know who he is, because they already know. He didn't have to worry about spending money during the primaries because, as an incumbent, he pretty much automatically won all the primaries with only Oklahoma showing any real opposition.
Ron Paul would be at a disadvantage because he still doesn't have as much name recognition as presidential candidates generally do. He also talks about abolishing things like the Department of Education. Since many voters think the DOE has been around forever, it's easy to make that sound like he wants to end public schools. With the level of ignorance in this country, it would be hard for him to get voters to understand all the things wrong with this country and why his plans are the right way to fix those problems.
@crossbones27 (49432)
• Mojave, California
24 Apr 12
I am all for listening to Ron Paul's Ideas. I do however think many of his ideas are a little to far fetched and in my opinion would not work. If that makes me ignorant in some peoples eyes then so be it. I however like to keep an open mind and not jump to conclusions on peoples ideas even if they sound a bit crazy. Many of the best ideas this country has ever come up with are the ones that most people thought would never work. So in my own opinion of my self that does not make me ignorant. To me ignorant is people that are closed minded to people because they think a different way and they are a Republican. So because of this they will never hear that person out
That being said, I would like to know how Ron Paul plans to keep this country stable while he eliminates are downsize many of these programs. What's his plan to keep our kids educated if their is no department of education. Whats his plan for creating new energy if he gets rid of the department of energy. Gas prices are through the roof. Does he really think now is the time to get rid of the department of energy? I have heard him say that he wants to cut these things to reduce spending and cut down on the deficit, but how is going to make sure crucial issues like these get improved upon. States can barely afford to pay for the school system in place now. Does he plan to privatize everything? We see how loyal corporations are to our country now. Does he really think the private sector has this countries best interest at heart. If they did why would we even need a government for any thing other than the military?
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@crossbones27 (49432)
• Mojave, California
24 Apr 12
One more thing, I do like Ron Paul's plan to cut the the department of defense. I however think he wants to cut it to far. I mean we spend 700 billion dollars on defense a year. The country closest to us is China at 100 billion. I think we could cut the defense in half and still be able to protect ourselves from foreign threats. How about having all are troops stationed at home and we build technology from here that protects us from crazy dictators. It seems to work for every other country in the world with exception of a few which we corrupted into thinking like we do. Really America are we this paranoid? How about we fix America first and then we can go back to fixing the rest of the world if it is in our capabilities. We can't even look out for are own people but we can rebuild Afghanistan just for them to go back to living the way they were before we even got there.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
24 Apr 12
The country is not ready for Ron Paul or ANY libertarian. And I agree with most of their ideas.
People in all actuality LIKE big government, they don't see the harm that is being done to their liberties. They WANT their special interests to be pampered and paid for.
If it would get a libertarian elected, I'd vote libertarian. We'd have a hard go of it for the first term, but in the end at least our country would be back to following the Constitution.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
28 Apr 12
I'm afraid we very much know who the Republican nominee is, for better or for worse. All I can say is I'm GLAD I can say I had no part in picking from that sorry bunch...lol!
Seriously, though, I think it's totally unfair to those who actually bothered to take the time to get out and vote or caucus for the delegates to be non-binding. I know if the candidate I supported had actually won the most primaries and was clearly the top choice of the voters, even if they weren't all exactly enthusiastic in their support, and then at the convention the delegates decided to "go rogue' and choose someone else, I'd be livid and would feel very much disenfranchised as a voter along with millions of other voters.
All of that having been said, I'll answer you question anyway; I don't think it would be much of a contest between Obama and Paul, despite how loyal the latter's supporters may be. The truth is, they may be a loyal and vocal bunch but there's really not very many of them, otherwise Paul would have made a better showing throughout the primaries. I kind of liken him to the crazy uncle who now and then says something brilliant but who is kind of weird much of the rest of the time. I've also found him to be quite adept at answering questions in a way that his loyal fans consider to be an example of his straight talk while in fact not really answering at all. When he's spoken about issues such as abortion, health care and/or Social Security it seems like he's said a little of what both sides want to hear to the point where anyone who WANTS to think he shares their views can convince themselves that he indeed does.
Annie
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
29 Apr 12
I'm afraid one of my biggest problems with both of the Pauls is the whole "states rights" position. I thought this was the UNITED States of America, not a large body of 48 separate nations with two others outside the main continent. We need some uniformity of our laws and national standards in some things, that's all there is to it in my opinion. It's a much smaller world than it was when this nation was founded and Americans often don't spend their entire lives in the state where they were born.
I realize it really isn't my business how the GOP chooses its nominee but I'm a firmly believer in everyone's vote counting, which is why I'm also a huge proponent of doing away with the Electoral College. Basically I don't think it's right at all for someone to vote for a particular candidate only to have some delegate decide that someone else should get that vote. I also think it's wrong, for instance, for a member of one party to vote in the other party's primary election, sometimes even if they have to change their registration to do so, in order to have an effect on the opposition. Sure, it would be great for the Democrats to have a Rick Santorum or a Newt Gingrich go up against the President but it wouldn't be ethical for that to happen because a lot of Democrats voted for them.
Annie
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
8 May 12
"I'm afraid one of my biggest problems with both of the Pauls is the whole "states rights" position."
No, this would be one of your biggest problems with our constitution, since it's 10th amendment is where Paul get's his position on state's rights. It is also where Obama got his justification for refusing to enforce the defense of marriage act...which Paul also voted to repeal, both on state's rights issues and on issues of individual liberty and free association.
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@dark_joev (3034)
• United States
29 Apr 12
Ron Paul's answer to many questions is that it is up to the state's. He is what some would call an original intent constitutionalist. In that he would pick more than likely conservative supreme court justices on their belief in Original Intent.
Also Ron Paul gives the same answer to many things because he is answering to what he would do which is get the Federal Government out of about 50% of things that it is currently in.
As for the Delegates going rogue it is quite possible that he could get it that sort of uprising because Romney is already getting beaten up by Obama.
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@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
24 Apr 12
I think Taskr is right, they would just marginalize him, call him crazy. Obama would win in a landslide. It wouldn't take too much for the mainstream media to make everyone afraid of Ron Paul and his dislike for social programs, etc.
Say what they will about Romney, he's giving the media a hard time when it comes to finding labels that are insulting enough. Other than he's rich, which isn't going to make as many people hate him as Obama thinks it will. They've had to stoop to long, investigative reports on Romney's religion, for one. Oh yeah, there's the "you put your dog on the roof", "oh yeah, well you ate your dog", sort of banter.
Romney may not be much of a contrast, but Paul would be too much and the media would destroy him in no time flat. That's not a nice thing to think about, Paul's a good guy, overall.
@dark_joev (3034)
• United States
25 Apr 12
That would be Ron Paul's greatest weakness going in would be the fact that the Media hates his guts. I guess the only thing he would have going for him is that Fox News would be forced to give him a positive spin as the Republicans Nominee it would be pretty much within their commandments as the rights propaganda machine. Just like MSNBC has to do with Obama they have to say how awesome the Democrats are because they are the Democrats propaganda machine as for the other networks they generally fal somewhere in the middle.
@crossbones27 (49432)
• Mojave, California
24 Apr 12
I would not mind seeing Ron Paul run against Obama. Just because I think he would change the topic of discussion in a way Romney can't. I personally think Romney is the worst type of person this country needs right now to lead it. The guy just reaks of Wall Street insider. The last thing this country needs is someone from Wall Street running the country after the last 5 years we have had. In my opinion of course. So I would be very interested to see how Ron Paul would counter Obama's plan on where to take the country.
The problem is it will never happen unless Ron Paul runs as a independent. The Republican delegates are not going to support Paul over Romney.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
27 Apr 12
With all due respect I can't understand how anyone could trust Romney about ANYTHING! I think in this election cycle we had the two candidates the most lacking in "character" in history in the form of Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney. I wouldn't trust either one of them to watch my cats for a half hour! Ethics??? Romney's idea of ethics is that "success" should be measured solely by how much money one has amassed and that the most successful - in other words, the wealthiest - are to be congratulated, even if that money came by putting others out of work and causing them and their families great pain. Stay at home moms work very hard and have the most noble profession there is, unless, of course, they're single and/or poor moms in which case they need to work in order to have any "dignity".
Annie
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
24 Apr 12
My opinion is that Romney knows Wall Street and that is a good thing, it's a matter of trusting his character. I trust his character and ethics.
@crossbones27 (49432)
• Mojave, California
28 Apr 12
Don't you just love the double standards of this country. It just makes you feel all warm and bubbly inside (As forever thew lamb says "sarcastically"}.
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