Wikileaks Releases Emails Detailing 2008 ballot stuffing for Obama

@Rollo1 (16679)
Boston, Massachusetts
April 24, 2012 12:52pm CST
According to emails obtained by Wikileaks, the McCain campaign had evidence of voter fraud and ballot box stuffing in the 2008 election. Emails from the US based intelligence firm, Stratfor, show that although they had evidence of election tampering, McCain asked them to sit on the information. http://www.speroforum.com/a/JHJAYHFXYL12/71410-Did-Democrats-hack-the-2008-Obama-election McCain apparently felt that to challenge the election could be disastrous for the country and possible cause rioting and violence. He was probably not wrong in this. It is generally accepted today that there was sufficient evidence of election fraud in 1960 for Nixon to have challenged the election results, but he decided not to for the good of the country. I admire the ability of some to put their country ahead of personal gain. In addition to the ballot stuffing in at least two key states, Stratfor had other information about illegal campaign donations coming from Russian sources. There have been other allegations about Obama's internet donations and how untraceable they are, so we pretty much already knew there were overseas donations that were not legal but there was no proof without the ability to determine where the donations came from. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/28/AR2008102803413.html So, do you suppose any of this will be reported in the mainstream media? Do you expect more or less fraud in this 2012 desperate re-election bid? If this kind of election fraud can go on, should we worry about the nature of free elections in this country or have we already lost that essence of fairness and liberty that defines America?
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6 responses
• United States
25 Apr 12
If you saw McCain after the election I find it hard to believe that he would have kept this quiet. He was very upset, and took time off which he wasn't known to do. But, if this is true that it should be investigated, and the people that did this should be brought to justice. If the president had anything to do with it than he should be charged. I am sure this ISN'T going to happen, because I am sure that McCain would have told someone about this years ago, and would have had it investigated. But, who knows.
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@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
25 Apr 12
If you thought that telling anyone was going to cause riots, violence and would destroy the country you love, you might keep quiet about it. I respect both McCain and Nixon for caring about the country's future and the safety of its citizens. I remember when the press were all breathy lovers of Assange and Wikileaks. Then the documents that supported Bush's contention that he had intelligence that told him there were WMDs in Iraq came out and the true nature of the Strategic Arms Treaty that Obama signed with Russia was revealed and suddenly, the media fell out of love with Julian. Let me know if you hear anything at all about this on the networks you watch.
• United States
25 Apr 12
Rollo, but in 2000 Bush and Gore didn't do the same thing. Does that make both of them less respectable? As I said, I would Shock ME if this is true. I would really like to hear what McCain has to say about this. I have no problem with Assange and what he has done. If it proves that the president was illegally elected than there should be an investigation to find the truth. I haven't heard anything about this, but I don't watch network TV, I watch CNBC.
@Fatcat44 (1141)
• United States
25 Apr 12
So who is going to investigate it? Eric Holder????????????????????????
@Fatcat44 (1141)
• United States
25 Apr 12
I read an article that the MSM goes to a room in the government building and get news story from the AP. There are only 21 affiliate's allowed to do this. And this is the news story that we hear everyday. So essentially, all of the news stories we hear are filtered and supplied by our government. And the MSM just keep on running these stories. So as much as I feel, we never get the truth and are feed only the garbage the government wants us to here. And claim China, El Salvador and Russia has control over the media. We are just as bad, and our people do not even know it.
@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
25 Apr 12
Yep, pretty much agree. We are quickly headed to a government controlled press and it won't be because the government seized control, it will be because the press decided to march in lock step with the administration and one political ideology instead of seeking truth and facts. Say what they will about FoxNews, I remember that they are the network the President and his administration wanted to shut out and shut down. There can be only one reason for that, they are not marching to orders. For me, that's a good thing. I want to know the stories the MSM won't tell me.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
26 Apr 12
Research George Soros. http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1276 http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080418111614AAD9Kca http://keywiki.org/index.php/George_Soros_-_Affiliations
@Fatcat44 (1141)
• United States
26 Apr 12
deb, I know all about Mr. Soros
@MntlWard (878)
• United States
25 Apr 12
The entire sum of evidence that the Dems were stuffing ballots is one email of a guy saying he heard they're doing that. As to the donation thing, I'm not entirely happy about that, but if you think the Repubs are being more proper in that regard, you're mistaken. This is why we need campaign finance reform.
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@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
25 Apr 12
"The black Dems were caught stuffing the ballot boxes in Philly and Ohio as reported the night of the election and Sen. McCain chose not to fight. " The words "were caught" implies evidence and not one email containing an "I heard". Obviously, there is evidence.
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
24 Apr 12
I've read about that, too, although not related to Wiki Leaks. I can see McCain's point but it's just putting off the inevitable--as you can probably see, racial strife is being stirred up anyway and by election time it will probably be whipped into a deadly frenzy. Best we had gotten it over with in 2008 before everyone was filled with propaganda and manipulated by the media. I also read a couple weeks ago about Mrs. Clinton's delegates being stolen. It was apparently a really dirty election but was kept from the public.
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@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
25 Apr 12
These are just two things, and we were already aware that Obama couldn't give accounting of his internet donations (and he got half a billion over the net - with an avg donation of $80, that's a lot of Russians). It is worrisome when we hear that he got campaign donations from foreign nationals )a crime) especially when he has signed one treaty with the suspect country and made what he thought were off-mic comments about changing our defense plans to please Putin. Some will say that fraud always happens, and maybe it does. But to date, I haven't seen any Republicans charged or convicted for it. Yeah, it goes on a lot, but only on one side, it seems. And no wonder, they could never win without it.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
25 Apr 12
And instead of all the anti Obama posts we should have been dissing McCain all this time!
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
24 Apr 12
"Wiki" what? Ah, never heard of it. Unimportant. But I think Congressman Cornyn, a Republican, said something that might could be twisted into an incredibly loose implication that 50% of the country needs to pay taxes before they demand others pay more. So that's gotta take top billing. Sorry and all that, but it's damn near election time. I'm on a deadline. If I don't help Obama push through his campaigning rhetoric, like the Buffett Rule and general "fairness," I won't be doing my part. Yours truly, The entire NBC brand But on a serious note, McCain was definitely right. Idiots like Chris Matthews (there are a lot of them) would have pushed the narrative that the election was only in question because of Obama's skin color. So, even though McCain was right, the ridiculousness of PC castrated him. It would have spread like wildfire. It's something that every single person in America (smart enough to name the VP at least) knows: You can play by a different standard with Obama. Any criticism = racism, and it'd be a sh*t storm of epic proportions if anyone dared to question the actual election results. Birthers Gone Wild. It's obviously going to embolden those who would cheat for any particular side to cheat even more when there's really no conceivable chance of being caught. Who's going to do anything about it? Not to say that something shouldn't be done about it. There definitely should. But no one's going to do anything about it. The more they'd try, the more we'd hear people likening it to a lynching. If Obama loses, despite how it goes down, the three-month narrative is going to be that it's 1950s Alabama and Mississippi and America has been set back and is permanently tarnished.
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@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
25 Apr 12
I hate to admit it, but McCain was right. There would have been riots. And Debra is right, we're going to have them anyway. It was a proud and historical moment for America when they elected the first black president. The fact that he didn't live up to his promises aside, it's an historical moment and one that seemed to put the notion that we were a racist nation to rest. We thought we were heading into our post-racial future. But it's a sad, scary and un-American truth that we cannot, without grave danger, refuse to re-elect that same man. And don't be too hard on Chris Matthews. It's been a week since it hit the news, and I thought he read Obama's book, but it seems he only just found out Obama ate dog. He's still sorting out how to spin that to a positive. And Matthews is currently pushing the narrative that people will vote for Obama, cause who wants to kick the first black president out of office? Who wants to have that on his conscience? Post-racial, I don't think so.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
25 Apr 12
http://www.impeachobamacampaign.com/articlesofimpeachment/ Riots, anyone? Seems we're already having mini riots called by another name: http://www.whitegirlbleedalot.com/black-on-white-crime.php?gclid=CIO8ieDRzq8CFSWFQAodyk3uEA And blacks who have some sense don't care for it either. http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/04/calming_the_storm_of_martinzimmermanrelated_racial_violence.html
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@petersum (4522)
• United States
24 Apr 12
I don't know what to comment on - election fraud which has been and always will be present, or the apparent insecurity of emails which can supposedly be accessed and read by anyone! Whichever way I look at it, it seems clear that some criminal activity is occuring. So all I can really say is, nothing surprises me anymore!
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@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
24 Apr 12
Murder has always happened will probably keep happening, but we don't say "oh well, you just can't stop it". We prosecute criminals, we don't let them be president. The left heralded Wikileaks founder Julian Assange when they thought all the leaked documents would only implicate the right in scandals. Now that they're being outed, we will probably hear nothing about it.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
25 Apr 12
@petersum, first thing you learn in the business world or politics, don't EVER put in an email what you don't want the world to read. And anything a politician writes SHOULD be part of the public record, that's how we do things in America.