Imposing a 20% "fat tax"
@3SnuggleBunnies (16374)
United States
May 16, 2012 12:03pm CST
I was reading this article http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellness/fat-tax-lower-obesity/story?id=16353067#.T7O-E9z1EUV&abcnews&abcnews on how they are considering a "fat tax" in the USA to help curb the epidemic of obesity. I agree with what this article had to say. If we make junk food more expensive and healthy less/unprocessed choices more affordable will help many. Also getting people more motivated to get out doors and do stuff not just chill in front on an electronic device. Yes, jacking up the price of cigarettes made people quit BUT will jacking up the price of junk / processed food cause consumers to switch to healthier foods?
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@allyoftherain (7208)
• United States
16 May 12
I think it's a great idea just to make people pay for bad habits, because it puts more money in the government (that I don't have to pay out of my personal paycheck! lol) and if people complain we can always say, "Well if you don't like paying the price, quit buying the stuff you know is bad for you!"
But I'm not sure it'll actually make people stop buying food that's bad for them. I soundly believe that bad food is an addiction, and people who are addicted will often pay any price to get their fix. Maybe it will be a good motivator for some people, but I don't expect a huge difference.
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@3SnuggleBunnies (16374)
• United States
16 May 12
Most processed food is addicting! Look at your labels most have HFCS as one of the main ingredients. It's hard not to be addicted to foods and drinks loaded with HFCS between it's taste, our cravings, and great marketing campaigns since the end of WWII that tell us these things are good for us.
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@3SnuggleBunnies (16374)
• United States
17 May 12
Yeah that's a whooper of a lie! They sell you on convenience and cartoon characters not on if it's any good for ya.
I try to buy mostly good things but those bad things like sugar and chocolate chips show up in my cart every now and then. Can't help it I must bake something yummy from scratch once in a while.
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@allyoftherain (7208)
• United States
18 May 12
Eh, no one's gonna fault you for it. I eat sweets too, but I try to keep them in moderation. I'm not really worried about my figure, but I am worried about my arteries.
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@GardenGerty (160951)
• United States
16 May 12
I think "junk foods" is a subjective idea, and I did not look at the link yet. I am fat, even without junk food. You can become fat eating large portions of healthy foods. I would not argue against that tax, though. It just might get a family to make better choices based on price. Once you choose better foods you often develop a taste for them. Fun and activity needs to be cheaper. I can hardly afford gym memberships or city pool memberships. It takes a bit much gasoline to drive to a lake. Cities need to make sure they are walker and biker friendly as well. Fat is a function of both food and exercise.
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@GardenGerty (160951)
• United States
17 May 12
You are right, the response will probably be to lower the prices, or offer rebates. So many candy wrappers sent to the manufacturer will get you a full fifty cents off your next candy. Or chicken nugget, or whatever.
@3SnuggleBunnies (16374)
• United States
16 May 12
I agree with you Gerty! My big dilema is affording a gym membership! More bike paths, more side walks, and affordable community activities! A pool pass for us is $150 for a family to swim. I don't have $150 and if we do it day by day it's about $20 to swim. Whereas the next county over it's under a dollar a person.. if you are a resident of course. GRRR
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@apoljuice1 (730)
• Philippines
17 May 12
Ditto on that. I have always considered signing up for gym, but where I live, I need to travel to get to the gym, plus it's very costly. There is a sports park halfway across town, but I would have to travel all the way there too. I would like to run in our village instead, but with robberies and hold ups so rampant, I'd rather not risk it. Besides, they may think up of "fat tax" but then other companies would probably take advantage of that and creat cheaper junk food to combat these prices.
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@djbtol (5493)
• United States
16 May 12
On the surface, one might think it would help work. Give it a bit more thought and it is seen as an idea that cannot die soon enough. It is just another example of people believing that we need the government to show us how to live our lives. The government is sick and distorted and they should not be given this opportunity.
Two related failures by the government are the drive to reduce childhood obesity by taking unhealthy drinks and foods out of school vending machines, and the business of providing free lunches (which now includes breakfast and dinner in many school districts) to the minority children.
If people will not choose a healthy lifestyle on their own, no amount of government programs is going to make it happen either. Government is not the solution, so don't tax me for another government failure.
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@djbtol (5493)
• United States
17 May 12
What you point out well, rosegardens, is the one thing government does extremely well - they take money from some (those who pay taxes) and give it to others, and seldom with any sense of responsibility to use the money wisely. My family has never had a food budget of $600/month, even when we had four kids at home all the time.
@rosegardens (3032)
• United States
17 May 12
The very sad part about these school breakfasts and lunches, etc. is the fact the children of many of these parents do get food assistance. Food assistance for a family is pretty ok, especially when one can find sales on items. I know a few folks on food stamps, for a single they get $200.00. I have heard the family assistance has been cut some, but even with a mere $500.00 for 3 people they can do alright. I know working class and retirees who do not have that much expendable income for their grocery bills. Plus there are usually food pantries available once or twice a month that provide the staples, such as cereal, juice, sometimes powdered milk, peanut butter, bread, jelly, etc. These kids should not be hungry. There are 4 places I know of that offer food once a month in my immediate area. yet we have public school free lunch. Why?
The thing is, these parents who have children who need the school lunches are not providing meals for them at home, so we are paying for the food assistance, as well as the school programs. (they sell their bridge cards for 1/2 the amount for cash) They are double dipping into our pockets to feed these kids. So who is making out? Someone's got to be. Not all that money is going to feed the kids.
Sorry for the rant here on the school lunches, that just really sets a nerve with me, knowing the poorer working class can't afford to provide good meals for their kids and they make too much to qualify for programs, yet they are paying a bulk of the taxes!
@pepai123456 (879)
• Philippines
17 May 12
True... since healthy foods or the so called "ORGANIC HEALTHY FOODS" are extremely expensive GAH! farmer would retaliate with that
but i hope they do lower it
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@3SnuggleBunnies (16374)
• United States
17 May 12
I'd love to see organic go lower priced! Frankly all fruits, veggies, and dairy products reduced in cost. It's hard to even keep bills paid and then think about filling the fridge when you can't afford something with more nutritional value to it. I think they should use the tax to promote the expansion of organic and or free range farming.
@rosegardens (3032)
• United States
17 May 12
There is good news--the healthy things will cost less than the fattening things if the tax goes through! Now for the bad news--it will either cost the same as it does now or rise.
I just have soooo much faith in our system...........
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
16 May 12
I'm not sure I'd like the gov't involved by subsidies (everything they get involved in gets messed up!) but I've been preaching this for years! People with low incomes can't afford healthy food--instead of getting a chicken they can cook for $6 they can buy mac 'n cheese to fill up those bellies much cheaper. Milk at $4 a gallon is more expensive than Kool Aid or pop. Bad choices, sure, but when you've got to stretch every penny til it screams your choices are very limited.
I know I make poor choices at times. A Banquet frozen dinner is filling and only costs 89ยข when they have a sale compared to buying vegetables and meat so I buy them when money is tight. I know it's bad for me but when it's near the end of the month and I'm running out of money...
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@3SnuggleBunnies (16374)
• United States
16 May 12
True, you have to work with the money you are alotted. It's hard that we have to make our choices by whats cheap not always what's healthy for us.
And with you being a single person a banquet frozen dinner works for you. But for a larger family it's not enough... Trust me these kids inhale everything and beg for more and it's hard when you can't go to the store when you are out of something.... you are just out.
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@savypat (20216)
• United States
16 May 12
I think these products should be taxes like other harmful products. One of the big problems is that taxes meant to fight a problem end pu being used for other things. Government is not proving to be a responsible manager of our tax money no matter what the tax is for.
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@3SnuggleBunnies (16374)
• United States
16 May 12
That is a very valid point. But when is our tax money ever handled responsibly?
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@rosegardens (3032)
• United States
17 May 12
I don't see much responsibility in how our money is handled. I see all the time people in all levels of government driving fancy cars, buying fancy food, taking flights to and fro on our dime. Yet unemployment is still high, there are still homeless people who never experienced it before in their lives, and here these government greedies are living high on the hog on the backs of the taxpayers. We sadly need reform before they run this country to the ground anymore.
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@rogue13xmen13 (14402)
• United States
21 May 12
They are really forcing us to lose weight and be skinny aren't they?
Well, I guess if they tax unhealthy food to the point where there is no choice, but to eat healthy, then I guess that is what many people will start doing, but until that happens, people aren't really going to switch their ways.
I find it funny how people are constantly being told what they should eat, how they should eat, and when they should eat, but the thing is that we have people in this country who come from all over the globe and everyone has different ways of eating and different kinds of food. It's very hard to tell people what to do when it comes to eating. If you have to force a tax on junk food just to make people get the message, then that's kind of sad.
@scarlet_woman (23463)
• United States
20 May 12
i don't like the idea at all-it's unfair because it is a general tax-meaning,people who are not considered "obese" by their standards will also have to pay it.
but i do agree the price of healthier food should be lowered-"organic" in particular can be very expensive if you don't grow it yourself.
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@shaggin (72240)
• United States
16 May 12
I think it would work because the more food costs the less likely people are to buy it. I know that certainly is how I feel. I hate that I have to spend more to make healthy foods for my kids when I could just spend very little on junk food and feed us but it wouldnt be good for us. I rarely buy junk food anymore because I dont get the huge amount of food stamps I used to get months back so I cut back on what we buy and except for special treats I do not buy junk food.
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@GardenGerty (160951)
• United States
16 May 12
After reading that article, I have one quibble. I would want to tax artificially sweetened empty calorie drinks, not just sugar sweetened. It has been shown that drinking artificially sweetened drinks may make you take in more calories because your body expected the sugar rush that is associated with the sweet taste. Endocrinologists also say that artificially sweetened items mess up your metabolism and can be linked to diabetes as well. I agree that "junk food" should be reserved for special occasions, then it really will be a special treat.
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@shaggin (72240)
• United States
18 May 12
I dont like anything that is artifical but its so hard to buy things that are healthy for you because the healthy foods usually cost more. Its unfortunate. I pesonally agree let them tax all the artifically sweetend drinks as well as the junk food. Its all not good for you. I pretty much drink nothing but water anymore. Its good for me and its low cost.
@coffeebreak (17798)
• United States
17 May 12
JAcking up the price of cigerretes hasn't stopped people from smoking. Expensive liquor and extra taxes on that hasn't stopped people from drinking (been to a bar lately or a resturant and ordered a drink?) those things are nearly as expensive as the meal you just ordered. But people still buy them. I think they would on junk food too. And who gets that "extra money" from the taxing of the junk food? If they'djust make "healthy" foods affordable, I honestly think people would buy them more, but I know I am not alone when I say, I just can't afford "healthy" foods, organically grown foods etc. One junk food is less than half the price of the healthy. Granted, not as "good for you", but you have to eat. Money is the deciding factor.
And who gets the "tax" income? The government? THey already got plenty of my money.
Plus...I have tried some and "healthy" food just doesn't taste as good as "junk" food. I am sorry, but un-seasoned, un-salted, baked potatoe strips just don't have what it takes to be "good" as opposed to deep fried potatoe strips (I'm referring to french fries!) I"ve tried the 90%/10% "healthy, lean" hamburger meat. It is so dry and tasteless, I literally nearly choked trying to swallow it when I made a hamburger out of it. I tried it in chili and it was again,s o dry and the chili basically tasteless and I tried it in spaghetti. No flavor and dry. And it costs more than the burger meat 80/20 that still has some of the stuff they took out in it!
I think it might have a more impact if the fast foods, instead of asking if you want that order "super sized", that they asked "would you like that order "obeseity sized?" Or charge more than 39 cents to over size an order.
People are going to eat what they can afford. If they only have $2, they are going to get something off the dollar menu...not that salad that is $4. They can't afford it. I am sure the majority of people would eat better...if they could afford to.
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@sk66rc (4250)
• United States
16 May 12
One person already posted above about what I'm about to say, at least the core point of it anyway... I myself am not thin by any means & I'm not going to use "genetic" excuse... I know I could do better & I know I could loose weight if I put my mind to it... It's nobody's fault by my own... With that said, I do know there are people out there, regardless of how small or big of percentages are in relations to the public, that just can't loose weight... Or at least its very hard for them to... Physiologically speaking, word "fat" is nothing more than an energy our body stores to keep our bodily functions going, or keep us alive... And theoretically, it's very simple... If we take in less than what we spend, we'll loose weight... If we take in more than what we spend, we'll get fat... Of course other factors come in to play... Like saying the difference between 18 wheeler tractor trailer & motorcycle... Of course tractor trailer is gonna use more gas than motorcycles... Simple physics dictate that the larger the mass, more energy it requires to operate it... Bigger the muscle mass we have, faster we burn energy... I believe it's called metabolism, a rate in which our body burns energy... Our heart is a muscle, too... Faster it beats, more energy it requires... Bigger the muscle mass, more oxygen & energy it requires hence more circulations... If our body is toned & in shape, it will burn more energy even at rest just to sustain the "larger mass"... I'm saying all this to get to my next point... I don't believe price of the food will have as big of an impact... Of course whenever there's a change, there will be a percentage of people that will change with it so I'm not saying it won't work all together... But as someone mentioned above, you can get fat by eating large portion of healthy food then sitting around doing nothing... I know some people, as do a lotta people out there, that can practically eat anything they want & still not gain any weight... Ok,some due to genetic make up... My brother is one of them... When we were in college, we practically lived on pizza, doritos & soda... After 3 years of "junk food diet", when we graduated, he weighed about 5 lbs more than when he went in to college... Me on the other hand, I gained about 35 lbs by the end of college years...??? My point is, there might be better way of getting the message across than to just randomly raising the prices of certain food group...
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@maezee (41988)
• United States
17 May 12
I think this is just an excuse for the government to tax us even more.... I don't like this at all. Just because you eat fast food once and again doesn't necessarily mean you are living an 'unhealthy lifestyle'. And then what happens, if you go to McDonalds, and order a side salad? And a black coffee? These things are clearly good for you - would they separate the healthy with the unhealthy things at fast food places? Tax you on the fries but not hte salad? I think that's kind of annoying. If they jacked the cig prices up even more, I would just pay the difference. No one can force anyone into doing anything that they don't want to do... If you ask me!
@WakeUpKitty (8694)
• Netherlands
17 May 12
It already does exist in Hungary (higher prices on food where sugar and salt is added to, also sugar and salt is more expensive.. so in short: fast food is more expensive). Same it is with other kinds of food and our country is doing the same. Personally I don't care much about it, but what I do care about is the fact that healthy food is many times more expensive as unhealthy food is. So this means governments don't care about our health at all, otherwise they would stimulate buying healthy food way more. It's just an excuse to fill their pockets again.
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@chodges17 (65)
• United States
17 May 12
With a tax already on "fatty foods" you really can't see a difference in other countries. People will eat whatever they want, perhaps instead they should stop making refined sugar products, processed foods and allow the "organic" and "healthy" food cheaper, why am I paying so much for low carb foods because I want to be thin and healthy, but it's cheaper for me to buy white bread with all that sugar in it? Because money talks and those companies and their corporate greed will always sway the government.
Besides, the amount of chemicals and stuff your "good food" is exposed to is just as bad.
@saundyl (9783)
• Canada
25 May 12
I think one thing that should be considered is WHERE that tax money goes. Would it go to health care? or just to more government spending. Maybe making healthy foods and activites would make it more affordable to BE healthy and do healthy things.
Its a heck of alot cheaper to sit at home and watch tv than it is to buy a pool or gym membership...and TRAVEL to the locations.
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
28 May 12
I think that it might help but the key is to make the healthier food affordable. I have seen that when I go shopping..just as an example...whole wheat bread is $2 a loaf while white bread is only $1. Now that just rounds it a bit but anyway...real cheese can be as much as $4 for a small sandwich sliced package...while processed..well...it is half that. I think that one of the things that plays in to this too is the economy and the fact that people don't want to be hungry. The cheaper options are the ones that keep their children full for longer periods of time although I know what you mean about the health and long term issues.
@oldchem1 (8132)
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17 May 12
Obesity really is becoming a problem worldwide, and it is a very difficult problem to deal with. I think it is very easy for people who don't, or never have had, a weight problem to criticise those who do, it is not always down to the person's lifestyle but can be a medical or a metabolic problem. However in many cases it is laziness, ignorance or even lack of money that stops people eating healthily.
In the UK people on some benefits receive vouchers that can only be spent on milk, fruit and vegetables which does go some way to addressing the problem. However while some junk food can be cheaper than good wholesome food maybe a 'fat tax' would help; But it is education that is needed more than taxation and help to encourage people to eat more healthily and to exercise more. I don't know if we'll ever find the answer to this growing problem.