What is more damaging to the sanctity marriage: Divorce, or Gay Marriage?
@thegreatdebater (7316)
United States
May 18, 2012 12:28pm CST
I listened to someone yesterday tell me about how upset he was that the president supported gay marriage. This was a man in his late 40's who owned his own business, and was an admitted republican. As we spoke I asked him how what the president said hurt the sanctity of marriage? He said that marriage should be between a man and a women, and should be taken very seriously, not entered into by people who are doing because they just can. His secretary who was older than him, and was with the company when his father started the company asked if he was serious when he married wife number one, two, three, or four? We all laughed.
But, it made me think how some people that are claiming to protect the sanctity of marriage are actually the ones hurting it. Look at how many politicians, and political talking heads have divorced, or have multiple divorces (Rush Limbaugh, Newt Gingrich, John McCain just to name a few). Is it worse to allow people the right to get married, or for them to abuse that right?
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@matersfish (6306)
• United States
19 May 12
I often count my blessings that I'm relatively young and am still impressionable enough that I actually want to know things rather than insisting I do know them. This allows me to take what I believe and to put it on the table as I stand back and look at it. My views certainly change when I attempt to get outside of my own head with these things.
When I look at marriage, like a person's religion, this is something I find to be personal. If Jimmy Johns believes that marriage is something divine and sacrosanct, then it's up to Mr. Johns to treat it as such. He can't push that standard on everyone else. If he believes marriage should be between a man and a woman, then he should marry a woman. If he believes it's divine, he should remain faithful and honor the vows.
If Johnny Jim has a different view about what "marriage" is and what it means; if he thinks it's a coming together of two people who love one another, who is Jimmy to tell Johnny who that other person should be?
I personally don't put much stock in marriage in the first place. I don't believe two people (or three or seven people) need to have that label to show or prove anything. And I don't believe they should be denied that just because someone has a belief that one of the thousand of gods worshiped throughout history reportedly has a problem with it. (Folks can gripe and all that, but that's what it comes back to.)
If Rush, Newt and McCain--along with the bozos Rollo brought up--believe that marriage is sacred, then it's on them to treat it as such. If, however, marriage is something they can't even honor personally, then perhaps they should STFU about what anyone else chooses to do.
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
20 May 12
Rollo, I agree with you 100%. I find it funny how people want religious freedom, but they want the country to follow their own religious beliefs. I believe that government should keeps out of religion, and vice-verse.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
21 May 12
I've had atheists insist that morals have nothing to do with religion. I happen to agree. Morality is not a relgious belief, and xince morality requires you don't lie, cheat or steal from someone to whom you've promised not to lie to, cheat on, or steal all their assets, I guess all those 'religious' people are just expecting people to be moral, not pushing their 'religion' on anyone.
So cut with the dig on religious people, all it shows is you are intolerant and bigoted.
@AidaLily (1450)
• United States
19 May 12
I am younger than you are and relatively (not completely) logical about things especially when it comes to politics. It is easier to realize things are wrong when you pay attention to things other than the smoke and mirrors they usually show.
I agree with your post wholeheartedly and the last line made me laugh a little because its true and yet so sad.
As I have always believed... "There is no point in 'selling' something you aren't even doing/using."
If these people want to be religiously married, great for them, but they should stick to their vows. They should realize that every hetero married couple does not share their religious views at all (considering people who don't believe in god and get married aren't going to think of their marriage as religious or under god). One person has no right to deny someone because of their personal views.
All those people mentioned, Rush, JFK, Newt, Clinton, etc have no right to say anything about what anyone else does. There own actions certainly don't help their case either.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
18 May 12
I don't think divorce by itself is damaging to the sanctity of marriage. I have a bigger issue with people who treat marriage like a joke. You know, the Kim Kardashian, Brittany Spears type marriages. Even those aren't quite as offensive to me as the morons who get drunk and get married in Vegas at drive-thru chapels. Anyone who supports crap like that has no business saying that any other marriage between consenting adults is somehow inappropriate.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
19 May 12
Debater, people can voice whatever opinion they want. You can't ban hypocrisy in this country. Most of the people in elected office, including our president, are blatant hypocrites and their followers and minions just don't care.
I never said anything about taking anyone's rights away. I just said I'm disgusted by people like the celebrities I mentioned who make a mockery out of marriage. Most people who get divorced at least planned or hoped to be together. Vegas weddings at a drive-thru chapel by a couple drunken morons shouldn't be official until the people verify them when sober.
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
19 May 12
Taskr, there is the infamous slippery slope begins. Do say that people like Rush, or Newt can't voice their opinion on marriage when continue to fail at it? Do you put more weight toward people that are married for decades just because they are either content, or to lazy to get divorced? It is much like voting, people want to take that right away from people for various reasons, but it still wouldn't be a good idea, even if it seams like a good idea.
@AidaLily (1450)
• United States
18 May 12
I have to agree with you. I can't stand those celebrities that make it so public with their divorces and affairs. There are people who will tell you that Kim Kardashian was tricked into marriage and she hold high marriage values while promoting the sacred bond of marriage. She didn't even stay married for three months and I have had people tell me that she showed how sacred marriage is.
Unfortunately more and more people are treating marriage like a joke. My husband's former female friend is anti-gay marriage and then said she wants to marry a rich guy with no prenup so she can divorce him and take at least half of his money. She will be the first person to yell at someone about the sanctity of marriage and yet that is what she wants. He stopped talking to her because well... in his own words to her... 'For someone who is against equal marriage, the fact that you would only get married to get money when you divorce is disgusting.'
@lelin1123 (15595)
• Puerto Rico
18 May 12
Great discussion! First of all let me say I am for gay marriage. I'm not gay but I do understand when two people love each other for years and can't get the benefits of being a married couple. I believe its telling gay people that they are not equal to everyone else. I think that its totally wrong. Now I also believe that heterosexuals couples have taken "marriage" to an all time low. Its become a big joke. When so many marriages end up in divorce or they have ex-martial affairs, there is not a bit of respect for the marriage at all. I truly believe if a couple no matter two males or two females want to be married they should be allowed to in any state or country. Its only the fair thing to do to make all people equal in the world.
@scorpiobabes (7225)
• United States
19 May 12
Debater-I knew about marrying cousins. But I thought polygamy (multiple spouses) was illegal, and I'm pretty sure that marrying a donut is just plain wrong. But after seeing the really gross fat people I saw earlier this week, I think it's a possibility that it HAS been legalized SOMEWHERE!
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
20 May 12
You are correct that Polygamy is illegal in all US states. The Doughnut is still being debated if you could marry it. And, YES I have met some who look like they did marry one.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
20 May 12
I believe it was the tolerant liberals way back in the dinosaur age of the sixties who started the whole free love thing, wasn't it? I mean, love the one you're with, right? Don't think the conservatives agree with that back then, at least not publically. Now, we all have equal opportunity misery. What PROGRESS.
@crossbones27 (49703)
• Mojave, California
18 May 12
Good point Debater. Again another double standard by many on the religious right. They are more concerned with what they perceive as people abusing the sanctity of traditional marriage. Yet many of them should be focusing on making their marriage work, because many of them seem to get married to soon. They are ill equipped to handle the responsibility of what it takes to make the marriage work. So maybe before they start preaching about gay couples getting married they should work on theirs and let people of different beliefs, or different ways of life handle their own business.
I know there are many people who have this problem, but most of them do not go around telling who can and can not get married. Why is Government telling people who than can and can't marry anyways?
What they should do is if you want to get married is have some kind of 5 year probation period. Maybe that is a little long (open for adjustments). If the 2 people are seemingly making it work and our happy together. Then they can get full fledged married since they seem to grasp the concept of marriage.
Before people kill me on that idea, its just an idea. Just throwing it out there. I am open to any disagreements though.
@scorpiobabes (7225)
• United States
19 May 12
LOVE the idea of a trial period-are you suggesting that folks just live together as if they're married, or to actually BE married during that period? I knew a woman that lived with the same man for nine YEARS, yet he never proposed to her. She was fine with that, even assuming that he'd eventually get around to asking her. Boy was she ever wrong! He eventually popped the question to another woman! Boy was she surprised! It took her over a year to leave his home yet she still expected (yes I said EXPECTED!) him to do things for her: her phone was on HIS cell phone plan; the pets were still seeing HIS veterinarian and she expected him to take care of the bills(!); she expected him to fix her computer! What utter nonsense-and even though they were no longer in a relationship together, in a sense, they WERE still together. Obviously, his new fiancé felt that way too because she broke it off!
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
20 May 12
Cross, I love your idea, I think that should be the law in this country. That would save everyone a lot of time and money.
@crossbones27 (49703)
• Mojave, California
19 May 12
Wow that is hard to keep up with. I know one couple in my whole life that I think that has gotten it right. Sad to say it was nothing to do with one of my relationships. Sorry, that's me being selfish. Anyways they knew each other for years. I guess that my friends lady had gotten a brain tumor. It wiped them out financially. I guess it got them to thinking and they got engaged. They told me about it. I asked, "so when are you getting married, everyone has been waiting." They told me probably never. They were just being realistic and they were not going to do anything drastic. Something that seems to lack in our culture, but trust me they are very much in love. Why make it weird?
@iuliuxd (4453)
• Romania
22 May 12
Divorce is damaging.We can`t talk about gay marriage and sanctity, at least not if we talk about the christian faith.
If you talk about politicians who are preaching about the sanctity of marriage while their life is a mess you are right they should keep their mouths shut.But if they talk about the sanctity of marriage it means there are still people who believe in it.
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
23 May 12
"Divorce is damaging"
YOU ARE WRONG!!! Only gay marriage is hurting the sanctity of marriage!!!!
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
22 May 12
Supporting gay marriage wasn't the objective in this discussion, bashing conservatives and religion was the objective.
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
23 May 12
You are right Deb, it was about the intolerance, of the intolerant right wingers who are intolerant to the tolerance of others. God forbid people be tolerant of others. God would be so upset at us for that!!!!!