Do you really believe we came from apes?
By betterdays
@BetterDays4Me (3777)
Philippines
May 24, 2012 1:21pm CST
In the theory of evolution, they say that the origin of man are apes. That means thousands of years ago, we are apes and after several years due to improving physically and mentally we develop into now what we call human beings. Would you believe this theory? If not, why do you think this is not the case?
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@Christoph56 (1504)
• Canada
25 May 12
We did not descend from apes... humans and apes have a common ancestor... and that ancestor wasn't around thousands of years ago, that common ancestor was around millions of years ago... Thousands of Thousands years ago... it also didn't take several years to change, that took millions of years, as well. Actually, extremely few of the kinds of animals that were alive back when humans and apes shared an ancestor, are still alive today, because all life keeps on changing and evolving over generations.
So, no, I don't believe in the concept that you put forward, but, the theory of evolution is truth, just as much as the theory of gravity, or the theory of thermodynamics, or just about any piece of science that has such gigantic mounds of evidence behind it. These kinds of concepts, you just can't deny, the evidence is all over the place, and it's just freaking gigantic.
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@BetterDays4Me (3777)
• Philippines
25 May 12
Anyway, one thing comes to my mind about this theory of evolution. I remember there are bones of old cavemans and different types of skull which shows this transformation from the apes to humans...I don't remember exactly how reliable these artifacts are, but in short they claim to show that these skulls clearly shows the changes and transformations from prehistoric humans to the humans of the 20th century. Does anyone have some clear knowledge about these artifacts?
@BetterDays4Me (3777)
• Philippines
26 May 12
For now, going to UK is not possible but hopefully in the future I could go to your country and visit that Natural History Museum you were telling me about.
Thanks for showing the two websites, and they do seem quite interesting.
For discussion purposes only, would it be possible that those fossils they have discovered are simply individual species that didn't necessarily evolved? I didn't have any deep about about all these, so this question just came up to me.
Anyway, another thought came to my mind...If ever we did come from apes and have developed to be a much more intelligent and may I add good-looking creatures and more enlightened spiritually, doesn't it mean that we have probably became enlightened beings capable of believing in the "spiritual realities" and "mental capabilities" that obviously won't be possible for those supposedly our "origins" who probably have very low level of intelligence and probably didn't believe any spirituality in any way like "God" for example. So if they evolved to be better and more highly enlightened creatures like humans, then the past won't matter anymore and what matters would be the present reality...how humans are today...more intelligent and believes in the spiritual world...and in God.
So I don't get it that if we believe in the theory of evolution, it will mean that you are immediately an atheist or someone who doesn't believe in God. I myself for now don't believe in evolution, but I'm not sure that if ever I believe in it, it would mean I won't believe in God either. Is there some sense in what I'm saying now, or am I missing something here. Yes, I hope to hear more opinions...
@Christoph56 (1504)
• Canada
26 May 12
If evolution isn't true, that means that virtually every animal on this planet, has only been around for up to a million years, and before that, there were sets of animals that were different species, although extremely similar species to the ones after them, and before them. If you see it in a creation way, that would mean that over and over again, God made animals that were the common definition of "perfect", but constantly got paranoid of his own mistakes, and made tiny little variations on them...
Or, you can look at both creation and evolution in one, which would say that God created the origin of life, which he had planned to constantly change, and turn into man, which is exactly what god wanted, after a billion years. You don't need to be an atheist to understand evolution... just like you don't need to be an atheist to understand that the sun doesn't go around the earth, or that the earth isn't the center of the galaxy, or the universe.
As a little side note, we call ourselves "good-looking creatures", but we're the only ones that think so... we look as unattractive to a moose, as a moose looks, to us! As goes with any animal... we're mostly attracted, to our own species, and that's thanks to natural selection.
@peavey (16936)
• United States
24 May 12
That's really not what they say. What they say is that primates, like human beings and apes, evolved from the same branch. In other words, apes are our cousins, not our grandparents.
However, they call it a theory for a reason and that's because it has never been proven. The "missing link" is still missing.
It make more sense to me to believe in a Being who created us in human form than a planet that just appeared and just by the luck of the draw, there was life. Then life somehow left the murky waters of "birth" and walked on dry ground. And then this life evolved through eons of chance and mutation to multiple varieties. Then, again by chance, one of these life forms just happened to mutate or something into a form that would eventually walk upright AND developed opposing thumbs so that it could use things as tools. And then this creature (why do we call it a creature if it wasn't created?) somehow developed into a human being.
I don't have that kind of faith in evolution.
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@BetterDays4Me (3777)
• Philippines
25 May 12
Thanks for making that clear. Anyway, I'm surely one of those who wouldn't want to have apes as my cousins.
Anyway is it what they call Darwin's theory of evolution, if I remember correctly?
I think lots of scientists believe in this theory because they can find a lot of scientific proofs to back them up. But for me, I also don't believe in the existence of creatures changing from one form to another, and at long last there is human beings. I wonder if we now change for a higher type of being thousand years from now if we are to follow that theory? Maybe we would be like aliens by then, so advanced in thinking with big heads and eyes?
@peavey (16936)
• United States
25 May 12
Yes, that's Darwin's theory of evolution. It IS a theory - unproven. I agree that some scientists think they have found some proof. I think also that at least some scientists believe it because they know that if they don't, they'll have to accept the fact that God exists and they'd have to deal with that.
We've got a long way to go to evolve into any sort of higher type of being, all things considered!
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@peavey (16936)
• United States
26 May 12
Actually, there are some Christians who manage to believe in both. It goes something like this: God created the heavens and the earth and created life from the dust. This life evolved over billions of years to what it is now. God is the creator and He directed evolution but He didn't create everything full blown.
I guess that with some creativity, one could believe whatever one wanted to. We've seen plenty of that!
@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
24 May 12
Most people, especially Creationists, misunderstand the meaning of the word 'theory'.
In science, a theory is an explanation or model based on observation, experimentation, and reasoning, especially one that has been tested and confirmed as a general principle helping to explain and predict natural phenomena. (See: http://www.fsteiger.com/theory.html for a longer exposition on this)
The fact of evolution is universally accepted by scientists and the fact that humans are a species of ape and evolved from the same species as the other apes - gorillas, chimpanzees, in particular - is accepted as a proven truth.
Those who refuse to believe it are generally those who claim that the word 'theory' means 'something not proven'. You will also find many of them asking questions like "If humans evolved from apes, why are there still apes?", which is as illogical as asking 'If I am my parents' son, why do I have a brother?'
All of these people have been brought up to believe that the Bible is the Word of God and so it must be true (literally and word for word) without understanding the special meaning of 'Word' in this context (and used in the singular). They confuse 'Word' with 'words' and cannot accept that much of the Bible is written in metaphor and parable - in other words, a great deal of it is poetry, myth and allegory.
This does NOT mean that it does not therefore contain the Truth (note - with a capital 'T'). We are perfectly well aware, for example, that, when Jesus relates the story of the Prodigal Son or the Wise Virgins, that it they are just stories and quite unlikely to be based on any real event. Nevertheless, they carry very potent basic 'Truth', even though they are not 'true' in a newspaper or historical sense.
The Book of Genesis, in particular, is a compilation of traditional stories which were passed down by word of mouth for thousands of years by illiterate people who had, nevertheless, thought deeply about the nature of creation. That these early and simple herdsmen had clearly 'got things right' with regard to the Creation stories (note that there are two separate versions recorded in Genesis) is shown by the fact that the ORDER in which the stories say that God created the world and all living things on it is in agreement with the order in which science has since demonstrated that it happened.
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@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
24 May 12
The time scale which we are talking about, by the way, in the development of humans from an ape-like ancestor is MILLIONS of years, not thousands (and, even so, if the whole history of life on Earth until now were to be compressed into the 24 hours of one day, humanity would only have existed for the last few seconds before midnight!)
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@BetterDays4Me (3777)
• Philippines
25 May 12
It's beginning to be clear that this topic is a complicated one, and I guess I haven't researched on a lot of details including the Biblical side of it. In the part of the Bible, all I can remember is in Genesis about the creation of the world..."And God made man..." and later on from the liver of man God made woman. So as far as my understanding is concerned, he didn't create other creatures before man or woman. So at this point I think more points of views would come out...
@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
25 May 12
Well, I shan't insist that you read Darwin's "On the Origin of Species" or "The Descent of Man": they are both somewhat heavy going! However, I do think that you owe it to yourself to read the relevant passages in Genesis. You can do so by looking in Genesis 1:1-2:3 and Genesis 2:4 to 2:25. Eve was NOT said to have been made from Adam's liver!
You will see that there is not ONE account but TWO and that there are a number of inconsistencies. It was these inconsistencies which formed part of the basis for the defence in the Snopes trial of 1925 where a teacher was accused of illegally teaching that the origin of Man was due to evolution.
You can easily find an online version of the Bible. Here is one: http://www.usccb.org/bible/genesis/1 (with commentaries).
On the subject of evolution, you might start with this: http://necsi.edu/projects/evolution/cover/evolution_cover.html but then you should read this (long but not difficult) article: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution
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@BetterDays4Me (3777)
• Philippines
25 May 12
I think for many people, they won't want to be considered as ancestors of apes for the simple reason that it seems like a big insult..."do you think I and my family look like apes!!"
What you have said is surely a good basis of argument...let's see how others would react to that...
@BetterDays4Me (3777)
• Philippines
26 May 12
I find it amazing that archeologists could determine or estimate how many years ago an artifact or an old bone is. I wonder how they determine that a skull they discovered is millions of years old...I mean, what instruments do they use to determine that and how accurate could it be?
I need to research about Nakalipithecus as well because I don't have any idea what it is.
Anyway, I can see mylotters have different opinions about the evolution of man. Did man originate from prehistoric man or was he created by God as claimed in the Bible.
I guess some mylotters would think if man did actually originated from prehistoric man, it would also easy to believe that God also created that prehistoric man...so it would still be true that God created man, whether we speak of the man of the Bible or the prehistoric one...any reactions to this?
@Christoph56 (1504)
• Canada
26 May 12
we did not come from apes, and apes did not come from apes. Our closest relative is actually the Chimpanzee, but, we did not come from Chimps, either. Rather, both us, and chimps, share a common ancestor, the closest we know being the Nakalipithecus, from about 4-8 million years ago, living around Kenya.
Evolution is constant change, and millions of years ago, there was no such thing as a human, a chimp, or an ape. We all just share common ancestors.
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@kukueye (1759)
• Malaysia
25 May 12
Well it hard to said, but u look at the physicaly anatomy of the ape, it is closest to the human form, i guess the most logical to said we are related to them, however, many religous people are against it said it more of creation and not evolution , because God created man on His image and etc. Evrn prehistoric caveman bones are missing few links from ape to human.
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@BetterDays4Me (3777)
• Philippines
26 May 12
They surely does! I actually have a friend who looks like a monkey and I clearly understand now why I always have the urge to hand him a banana whenever I see him...jk :D
Yes, I think this is where the conflict arises...the Biblical verse where it shows that God created man as against the theory claiming that man was not created by God directly as the Bible claims but man came and evolved from prehistoric man and a relative of apes.
@aritahime (221)
• Indonesia
25 May 12
Personally, it's hard for me to believe this. Because if it's so, then human will probably change its shape again, just like the old times when the apes become humans. I just can't imagine what human will look like a thousand years from now. May be like one in the animation movie (I forget the title), people will get fatter and fatter and they will drive a flying chair to go anywhere, since the foot are no longer be able to support the body.
@BetterDays4Me (3777)
• Philippines
26 May 12
Well maybe after a thousand years had past, it wouldn't matter to us because we surely wouldn't exist on earth by then. lol.
Anyway, what you mentioned about the animation movie is cool...not the part where people get fatter but about driving a flying chair and you could go anywhere you like. I guess it's possible that people could invent a flying chair probably with push buttons on the hand rests and some powerful jets underneath the chair...
@aritahime (221)
• Indonesia
26 May 12
Yeah, I wish I could try the flying chair. It looks really nice on the movie hahaha..
@BetterDays4Me (3777)
• Philippines
26 May 12
Hi youless, I also believe in science and it's wisdom in learning about many different things about the earth and even galaxies and beyond. I think science makes us understand more about our surroundings and even challenges our minds in many ways...
Happy mylotting!
@salonga (27775)
• Philippines
11 Jul 12
Well none of my ancestors look like ape so how could I possibly believe this theory. It is lie and unbelievable. hahaha
Seriously this theory is an attempt to discredit the Bible. Genesis has an answer to this question. God created man and man separately. The first man Adam was created out of dust. God breathed on Him so he would have life, and the first woman Even came from one of the ribs of Adam so how could these scrupulous people invent this crazy theory that we evolved from apes?
@samar54 (2454)
• Egypt
25 May 12
No , God created us in the best form , God said in Quran :
" Certainly We created man in the best make.
Darwin the owner of tthe theory was not sure what was stated .. It remains a theory in any case unless it is substantiated , it will not be substantiated .. For example, if the origin of human is monkey .. Why did not develop monkeys and remained the same did not evolve into humans?
@BetterDays4Me (3777)
• Philippines
25 May 12
That is a point well worth thinking about, samar. Anyway, I can feel some heat in our discussions now as many diffferent opinions are coming out...like the heat in my country is probably about 41 degrees by now and I don't have an air conditioning but uses only an electric fan...gosh!
Anyway back to the topic, can anyone have an answer to this because I have no idea about it at all.
@konomashii (49)
• Philippines
25 May 12
no. because if we came from apes, then why are there still apes?
they weren't part of the evolution??is that it?
@BetterDays4Me (3777)
• Philippines
26 May 12
Well, let's see if the monkeys of today would turn out to be humans some thousands of years from now...guess that's the only way to find out, and if we successfully live up to thousands of years, we have a good chance of knowing. The problem is if the monkey we have caged for that particular experiment would also live up to thousands of years...and I guess this discussion is turning into a useless one. Will somebody lend me an airconditioning? It's terribly hot right now and I can't think well...hehe.
@sandaikite256 (92)
• Sweden
24 May 12
It's proven that some apes (specific race which is closest to human being) have more than 80% of their genes are the same of ours genes.
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@BetterDays4Me (3777)
• Philippines
25 May 12
Interesting facts you have just given us, sandaikite. I guess when you think about it scientifically, there are several facts that would make the theory of evolution possible. I guess for now there is no way for anyone if this theory is true or not, so everyone is free to choose how to think about human existence. I believe from the religious point of view, the idea is so different than this theory. I guess some religions don't even agree on their beliefs on how humans existed. These could be some points of discussions here...
@subhojit10 (7375)
• India
25 May 12
Yes i strongly believe that apes were our ancestors and he had evolved into human beings from them. One can observe that apes mannerisms resemble very much like human beings. There is no point in raising fingers at Darvin's evolution theory.
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@aartisaini (50)
• India
25 May 12
i dont think we came from apes...yes we surelly are similiar to them but i dont beileve we came from apes as thing is still not proven and many of them think we have a lot of things missing between the FACT AND THE FICTION....no body know from where we came from ..not just us but every living thing in this world...We still are not clear this... and if we are really developed from them how can they still be around us how come only few of us have developed and some are left behind like that.....;)
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@BetterDays4Me (3777)
• Philippines
26 May 12
I think that is the usual argument about evolution..how come they are still around as if only a few of us have evolved while these apes remains as apes?
Well, some of our mylotters who are involved with this topic seems to have their own explanations, but i don't grasp it yet...Anyway, I think science is such a complex matter that what matters is we know about matters...does it matter?
@eihjaeiann (81)
• Philippines
25 May 12
i don't believe in the theory of evolution. apes will be apes and man will be man. human has the highest form of intelligence wherein apes don't have.
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@BetterDays4Me (3777)
• Philippines
26 May 12
Yes, the theory of evolution alone gives a lot of complex areas to think about. I wonder if there are other theories related to the existence of men...well, one mylotters already mentioned about aliens involved with human existence. I think I'm getting a bit paranoid with this discussion now...lol.
@Lorden (348)
• South Africa
9 Jun 12
Who can say if evolution is the whole story? There is always something more to discover. Always.
Personally all I can see is that we mammals all have the same two eye one nose with mouth underneath, all on one head connected with a backbone to four limbs blueprint.
Therefore, we must all originate from the same original plan.