Is it time to bite the bullet?
By grandpa_lash
@grandpa_lash (5225)
Australia
May 28, 2012 7:09pm CST
For the purposes of this discussion it is probably irrelevant whether your politics are red, green, blue, or crazy paving. When is any government, of any kind, going to admit to its voting public that there just isn't enough money available to cover the crudest of infrastructure and essential services costs let alone the plethora of special interest needs of their constituents? Whatever the thrust of a party's policy it has to cover these things, and I would hope even small government fanatics can concede that. How do they do that without sufficient income?
The governments of the world are basically all close to bankruptcy because when they can't raise the necessary money through taxes, they borrow it. (Which brings to mind my perplexity as to who actually owns all that debt, cause it ain't government.) But the modern obsession with "spin", with keeping the bankruptcy from the voters' knowledge (except, of course, they don't succeed, most of us "punters" know, at some level, that our countries are broke), that being honest and open has become almost a sin. Are they so concerned, as individuals, that they might lose their seats and the income that goes with them that they are prepared to lie and manipulate rather tha admit the truth and try to openly work for a solution in tandem with the voters?
What are your thoughts?
Lash
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8 responses
@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
29 May 12
When you have sold off all your assets to the corporate world, where does a government turn in order to raise capital? To debt of course! The world bank and the rich minority that controls the worlds finances are the only winners here. The governments keep coming up with new ways to tax us in order to fund their debts but how long can that go on? The cost of living is already becoming too much for a lot of families to bear.
Sadly, it is probably going to take a world depression to turn things around as the current system of spend, spend, spend, is not going to work long term. Short term stop gaps are only going to keep things going for so long. It is going to take a drastic change in the way things at all levels are done and that will probably not happen until it is too late and situations are beyond desperate.
I have said it before and will say it again. We all need to become more self sufficient in all areas of life. That is the only way I feel we can protect ourselves.
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@grandpa_lash (5225)
• Australia
31 May 12
Self suffiency is an admirable ideal, and no doubt a lot of people are capable of managing it, but for all of us or even a significant minorityof us to do it is probably an unattainable goal. I have tried to some extent, but it requires learning a whole new subset of almost obsolete skills, and I doubt that many have the time, ability, or impetus to do so. We are more likely to be able to change the system, except most of seem to accept the status quo.
Lash
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@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
31 May 12
It definitely is going to take a lot of time and effort for people to get up out of their comfortable couches in front of the TV or their computers and get out there and get dirty planting food and putting self sufficient ideals into practice. It will probably take generations to turn it around just as it has taken generations to lose that connectivity with nature and being self sufficient.
The movement is happening through community gardens and permaculture and online awareness and education, but it is a slow process and one that is definitely held back by the powers that be.
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@crossbones27 (49703)
• Mojave, California
31 May 12
The problem I face with becoming self sufficient. Is I simply do not have the room to be planting food and all that. Sure I might be able to plant a lemon tree get a couple of chickens. That is all the room I have in my house. I live in California and where I live there is not much room. I could probably tear down my garage to make a little more room, but still am not going to be able to live off of it. I really do not have no money, to move any where else. People in the city just will not be able to do that.
@grandpa_lash (5225)
• Australia
31 May 12
You mean the foundation of ignorance, paternalism, greed, dishonesty, and the arrogance of politicians?
Lash
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@scorpiobabes (7225)
• United States
29 May 12
I sincerely doubt anyone in our government will tell us the truth. But I just don't get some of these bizarre pork projects that get approved, you know, the ones that benefit maybe 10 people? But then I think I might consider running for the House or Senate-I'll get lifetime healthcare, even if I don't do a damn thing but finish out my term. Now THAT'S what I call a severence package! :D
@scorpiobabes (7225)
• United States
29 May 12
And to answer your question, no, they will NEVER tell us the truth.
@trose7 (243)
• United States
30 May 12
The government has the money to fund basic infrastructure, schools, and defense, but unfortunately the huge bureaucracy wastes so much money on welfare, social security, and medicare that we are going bankrupt. When the government finally realizes it can't provide everything to everyone we will have a balanced budget and no debt. But no politician who wants to cut people's welfare checks will ever get elected, because people won't vote for less money in their pocket.
@trose7 (243)
• United States
30 May 12
Entitlements make up 50% of the government's budget, so yes, they have a big role in our current situation. I am against the wars and our interventionist military policy as well, and it has also played a role in our huge deficit. Greed definitely is what keeps politicians from changing anything, but I don't think big corporations are all evil. People treat these businesses like they are all evil, but in reality, every business starts small and grows because it provides a service that people like. If enough people hated these big corporations shutting them down is easy, just stop buying their product or service.
@crossbones27 (49703)
• Mojave, California
30 May 12
You are thinking of health entitlements. Welfare, social security, food stamps is just a small percentage. Plus grocery stores love food stamps. More money for them. Social security would be fine if they reformed it and leave it alone.. Not use it for their rainy day fund a project type deal. People pay into that. I am not saying all big businesses are evil. Just the ones that profit off peoples ignorance. " Vulture capitalism," I believe that is what Rick Perry called it. The majority of our problem with entitlement debt is caused by health entitlements.
@crossbones27 (49703)
• Mojave, California
30 May 12
Really welfare and social security? That is what caused this whole mess? I guess the housing collapse and the 2 wars had nothing to with it. I guess greedy politicians and big corporations had nothing to do with it?
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
29 May 12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzLIz27GqWs
I posted that link because you asked who owned all the debt. I fully realize that anyone who speaks about a 'conspiracy' of the elite is automatically dubbed a crazy nutcase. But many who are wiser than I have pointed out the ties of national banks to the powerful banking families of Europe. What is the purpose of concentrating all the wealth of the world into the hands of a few powerful families? Power to start wars, oftentimes funding both sides, power to influence governments, owning the media and education, thereby spreading propaganda aimed at instilling fear and submission to government, power to determine the future of the world into a New World Order?
YOu are correct. The money hasn't run out though. They just control it all. They are now 'squeezing' us into submission by manipulating the economies of the world.
@mikyung (2232)
• Philippines
29 May 12
Politicians are like that, they do any thing just to keep their post as deep-rooted as possible it can be. As an Asian in a 3rd world country, I have to accept anything now that life has to offer. I can see that even those rich countries are now suffering from hardships that resulted from the mismanagament by some politicians. As a result, we, the people who pay taxes honestly are the ones who are really suffering. We are the end-users or the shock absorbers of those products erred by the current and previous administrations. All I can do now is to move forward and election is just around the corner and I'm still hopeful about things to come.
@WakeUpKitty (8694)
• Netherlands
29 May 12
Most governments have enough money for infrastructure, essential services etc. Fact is they don't use it for their own people/country but as a loan to others, for helping out countries who will never pay back, for investments who turn out to be not an investment at all, they waste a lot of money on things we don't need, or buildings/roads/railway stations who suddenly/in the end cost 10 times more, the government itself is paying themselves way too much, etc etc. They will never admit that because they don't care about their own country, they only care about what "others" say or think and if they will make it into the next history book. And yes most countries are bankrupt, but the governments keep saying nothing is going on. The USA is bankrupt since months but everybody has forgotten that, now is Europe more interesting.. I wonder btw if a country can really be bankrupt. Those countries are still there, the government still spends a lot of money on useless things, there are people living, working, paying taxes. They don't care if they lose their seats since after the next vote they are back again. Over here never 1 group is able to reign it's always a combinations of .. so in the end nothing changes. At this moment we don't have a government at all till the next elections so it's not allowed to reign, accept new rules etc but still they do. It's the best example of the fact that they don't care about their voters at all. They even say they don't care.