Cyber Warfare
By debrakcarey
@debrakcarey (19887)
United States
June 1, 2012 11:24am CST
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/9305704/Barack-Obama-ordered-Stuxnet-cyber-attack-on-Iran.html
My friend dark_joey turned me on to the fact that cyber warfare is playing a big part in our modern life.
He told me that the group known as Annonymous is using this type of resistence to banks and corporations and governments to create chaos and bring them down.
Now I read that our government in conjunction with the Israelis have used a computer virus to bring Iran's uranium enrichment facilities to a standstill.
what are your thoughts?
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7 responses
@TheMetallion (1834)
• United States
1 Jun 12
Anonymous and Stuxnet are both real.
It's a bit of an overstatement to say that Stuxnet brought Iran's facilities to a standstill, though there was an impact.
While we've thought ever since we found Stuxnet that the US or Israel put it out there, there's been no proof. I'd want something more solid than the anonymous sources cited in the Times article before saying it's definitely the case.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
1 Jun 12
And how will we find those solid sources? No one wants to put their very lives on the line to convince a bunch of ostriches with their heads firmly in the sand.
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@TheMetallion (1834)
• United States
1 Jun 12
Funny you should ask! If recent history is any guide, about the only way we'd get solid sources on such shenanigans would be if Anonymous hacked the appropriate systems and released the documents they found -- which is their standard M.O.
Until/unless that happens, I'm content to say we suspect a thing if we only suspect rather than know it.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
1 Jun 12
I've been told that Wikileaks is providing some of Anonymous' finds. I have yet to look.
Suspicions can be proved true only if the sources can be trusted. What I find is that people are not able to 'discern' and need to have things broken down into simple language-almost spelled out for them. They seem to have a problem with logical progression of thought. Drawing conclusions and making infrerences is difficult for many as well. This makes them vulnerable to the very ones trying to take their rights and property.
I don't need to know the details of something to infer that it may not be good, or that it may be bad. If I need more details, going to the mainstream media is definately not what is needed. Yet, so many resist the info that is online because they've been told it is ALL bogus. They don't know how to discern, because they've not been taught history, civics, logical thinking etc. The common man used to be able to make these types of discernments because he was actually EDUCATED to think, rather than merely follow.
@albto_568 (1268)
• Costa Rica
2 Jun 12
I am not sure if saying that it brings Iranian enrichment uranium to a standstill is too much, althought, it obviously has to had some impact, and, maybe, it forced them to take measures, yet, it seems to me a good alternative to direct military actions, wich ould be extremely costly, in terms of resources and human lifes. This sort of actions may force Iran to the discussion table, although I am not very optimistic in this respect. Either way, it is good to see that some action is being taken, to prevent a radical country to have mass destruction weapons.
@albto_568 (1268)
• Costa Rica
5 Jun 12
Radicalism is always a danger, specially when it leads inevitable to violence, since, we are "forced" somehow to impose our beliefs on others. Let´s hope only that they do not find their so called "Madhi", because that day, it will be no way back.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
5 Jun 12
Your statement of fact gave me a cold chill. Thanks for your input, you obviously understand what is really going on.
@flowerchilde (12529)
• United States
10 Jun 12
In the case of it being used for good.. to decrease war and danger of war, I'd say hooray!
but as is always the case, every thing will get abused and used also for bad intent!
but as is always the case, every thing will get abused and used also for bad intent!@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
10 Jun 12
pandora's box
yep, if it can be used, humans will find a way to use it for something bad.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
2 Jun 12
But do we have the integrity and also the intelligence to defend ourselves? And that brings to mind, do we want to live in a world of total control?
I say we have to try. But it will mean some of our freedom on the internet may be taken. Are we ready for that? I don't know enough about all of it to judge, really. i just know the alternative is pretty scary. I just hope the 'good' guys are not as bad as the 'bad' guys.
@ramyarsoj (38)
• Philippines
2 Jun 12
Yes, that's true cause anyone can post or even spam wrong and bad thoughts for that person, place , topic , or religon.
@swetashah (345)
• United States
2 Jun 12
Anything can be possible. Through million of computers interconnected online, we can do anything possible to launch an attack to million of those computers worldwide. Even our government computers to other computers the same time. We just not smart enough to figure it out, but some people out there, I believe they are true genius. So, this cyber warfare you are talking about, it can be done.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
2 Jun 12
Here's my thought, if the 'good' guys can do this to the 'bad' guys, the 'bad' guys can surely reciprocate, do the same to us?
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
1 Jun 12
Sometimes you have to use technology to do what diplomacy, and threats can't do. It is good to hear that our government is being proactive in an area that other countries have outpaced us. I think that this is a good thing, and we should encourage spending on such program.
