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Big Ben or Elizabeth Tower
By PageTurner
@PageTurner (2825)
United States
June 1, 2012 10:20pm CST
How do you feel about Big Ben (officially known as 'the Clock Tower') being officially recognized and named, 'Elizabeth Tower', in honour of Queen Elizabeth's Diamond Jubilee?
I have just read that this is likely to happen. What are your thoughts on this?
Do you think the slight tilt of the tower has any bearing on the decision to name it after the Queen?
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11 responses
@psychoartist (756)
• United States
2 Jun 12
perhaps, not being officially british, although of scottish and irish extraction, my opinion in this matter may not be important, page turner. however, i think that elizabeth tower makes a lot more sense and sounds much more posh than big ben. furthermore, if the queen has managed to stick it out for sixty years without bringing killing herself or others, she deserves some accolades. i mean, she has not sent people to the tower and chopped off any heads like some of them in the past, has she? i have heard she does not throw her chicken bones over her shoulders when she eats. the poor thing has weathered many disappointments what with her children, and then society completely changing all around her. yet, she soldiers on, hat on head and purse in hand. and she's had to be married to that perfectly dreadful prince philip for one hundred years. she probably wished she could have sent him to the tower a time or too...and had to endure being embraced by mrs. obama...the list could go on...anyhow, elizabeth tower has quite a ring! to it, and is named after a real person...who is this ben anyhow? i mean if the queen ever needed an alias of anykind, she could always just call herself elizabeth tower...
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@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
2 Jun 12
Our Dear Queen was brought up proper-like and she passes her chicken bones discreetly under the table to her corgis!
The bell was, apparently, officially named after Benjamin Hall, 1st Baron Llanover (and bears his name) but some say it was named after a famous contemporary heavyweight boxer, Benjamin Caunt. It might have as easily been named for the prime minister of the day, Benjamin Disraeli.
@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
2 Jun 12
My historical information is completely up the chute today! Disraeli wasn't PM until much later! It was either the Earl of Derby or Viscount Palmerston in 1859
@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
7 Jun 12
psychoatrist. I think you response is great!!!!! I am Scottish by birth and I agree with every word of your response!
@p1kef1sh (45681)
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2 Jun 12
Big Ben is the name of the Great Bell that is located in the tower and not the tower itself which is properly known as "The Clock Tower". I have no problem with renaming the tower as "Elizabeth Tower". Could be far worse and be named after a Prime Minister.
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@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
2 Jun 12
If it had to be named after a Prime Minister, it should be Benjamin Disraeli, during whose term of office it was built. "Disraeli's Dong" perhaps (from the sound the bell makes, of course!!!)?
@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
2 Jun 12
WRONG, WRONG!!! (Disraeli was 10 years later ) ... perhaps "Derby's Doings" or "Palmerston's Pinnacle"?
@PageTurner (2825)
• United States
2 Jun 12
Yes, p1kef1sh, I learned some time ago that Big Ben was the name of the Bell, and that the proper term for the tower is the Clock Tower, but that doesn't make for as a grand a headline.
@peavey (16936)
• United States
7 Jun 12
As long as everyone still calls it "Big Ben"! I'm not British, but I can tell you that the name "Big Ben" is well known by many and not many would remember if they changed the name. Although a Diamond Jubilee is awesome and I respect the Queen, isn't there another way to honor her than changing a name that's synonymous with England itself? Just a rhetorical question. Maybe I'm just too much of a traditionalist.
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@PageTurner (2825)
• United States
7 Jun 12
I suspect that you are correct, peavey. No matter the name change, I think it will still be called the Big Ben.
@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
7 Jun 12
Being British by birth I think it is a very nice gesture. I did not know about the tilt to the tower and am having a problem understanding what that has to do with Her Majesty. Can you please explain???
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@PageTurner (2825)
• United States
7 Jun 12
Hello whiteheather39
I just wondered if anyone thought that there was any significance to naming a tilted tower after the Queen. Evidently you don't.
Thanks for stopping by!
@urbandekay (18278)
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5 Jun 12
Ridiculous, why honour this German parasite?
all the best urban
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@PageTurner (2825)
• United States
5 Jun 12
Yes, I don't think that a lot of people are aware of the history, urbandekay.
By the way, thank you for responding here and giving me a nice round number of responses. I know I have a problem with that, sort of like sticking my hands into someone elses gloves.
@RitterSport (2451)
• Lippstadt, Germany
3 Jun 12
hi dear PageTurner I am a fan of the UK and have been there several times.
Celebrating the Queens Diamond Jubilee is great but I dont think much of re naming Big Ben to Elizabeth Tower. Its known as Big Ben and should stay that way.
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@RitterSport (2451)
• Lippstadt, Germany
3 Jun 12
yes thats possible that everyone still thinks of it as Big Ben even when its named Elizabeth Tower.
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@PageTurner (2825)
• United States
3 Jun 12
I am in that sort of thinking as well, RitterSport. I wonder if it is recognized more as a gesture with the realization that the name won't really be used?
@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
2 Jun 12
It doesn't matter to me in the slightest what they decide to call it, it will still be popularly (and inaccurately) called 'Big Ben'. If anything, it would be more appropriate to name it in honour of the architect who designed it, Augustus Pugin. It was the last thing he designed before he went mad and he ought to be remembered for it.
Will they now have to change the inscription on the clock dials to read:
"DOMINE SALVAM FAC REGINAM NOSTRAM ELIZABETHAM PRIMAM"?
I didn't know that it had a slight tilt (which apparently won't be a problem for at least 10,000 years), which, ironically, has been said to be due, in part, to excavations for the Jubilee line, but I don't think that has anything to do with the naming of the tower, unless it happens to lean towards the Conservative side of the House of Commons and there is nothing 'gay' about it (see: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jun/01/queen-gay-community-homophobe?fb=native&CMP=FBCNETTXT9038 )
@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
2 Jun 12
Uhhh ... the inscription should be corrected to read:
"DOMINE SALVAM FAC REGINAM NOSTRAM ELIZABETHAM SECUNDAM"
of course!
@ShepherdSpy (8544)
• Omagh, Northern Ireland
3 Jun 12
As "Big Ben" is actually the Name of the Bell struck in the Clock tower,I would be curious for the future if Finally Naming the Tower would take "Big Ben's" Fame away, or down a few notches? As it's not the Bell they're considering for a rename,I think it A good idea to finally give the tower a Name to commemorate the Jubilee...
@ShepherdSpy (8544)
• Omagh, Northern Ireland
3 Jun 12
(PS..What's the tower having a tilt got to do with whatever Name it might get?)
@PageTurner (2825)
• United States
3 Jun 12
I wondered if anyone thought the tilt may mean something in regard to the new name. As if the one after which it's being named is slightly askew? Or has certain leanings?
@stealthy (8181)
• United States
2 Jun 12
Of course what I think should bear no weight on the subject since I'm an American. However, not big on changing long recognized names to something else to honor someone. If they want to honor her, which she probably deserves, they should build something new to name after her. Of course that would be expensive and probably is not the way to go. So they should name something that exists but does not have a currently famous name attached to it after her; then it would be something of her own so to speak.
@PageTurner (2825)
• United States
3 Jun 12
I wonder if the name change is the 'cheapest way out'? While it may be well intentioned, how many people will actually honour the new name? Maybe the younger generations, who have no previous knowlegde of the 'Big Ben' moniker, but even that would be a surprise.
I've also struggled with changing recognized names to honor someone else.
Thanks for sharing, stealthy.
@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
3 Jun 12
At first I thought it was naff even thinking of changing it from Big Ben to the Elizabeth Tower..but, now I'm OK about it. After all, my middle name is Elizabeth.
@PageTurner (2825)
• United States
3 Jun 12
Ah, so perhaps you'll be able to lay claim to the tower as yours?
@PoppaDave (438)
• United States
3 Jun 12
There are jokes about that famous Phallic symbol...now why give it a feminine name?
Think about it, what ya gonna call it now, Big B_____ (censored)?
@PageTurner (2825)
• United States
3 Jun 12
I am surprised that you are the first person to mention this, PoppaDave. I, too, had wondered if there was any connection between the Clock Tower as a Phallic symbol, and naming it after Queen Elizabeth.