How would you feel about this?

@averygirl72 (37845)
Philippines
June 13, 2012 12:02am CST
How would you feel when prominent people at a church starts to feel that they are the VERY LIFE of CHURCH? How would you feel when they start to ridicule you just because you cannot level up with the expertise or great talent they have in any ministry like public speaking, preaching, teaching, singing, dancing, playing instruments? How would you feel when they are just making you like you are just a mere audience and every Sunday they are performers that you need to stand in awe? Do you like going to church where people are starts to drawing the worship to themselves rather than God?
18 responses
@SIMPLYD (90722)
• Philippines
13 Jun 12
Ha? Does that thing happen in your locality, averygirl? If that happens in our church, i would change church where i can worship without being annoyed of some people who seems to think that they are the ones that run the church.
@averygirl72 (37845)
• Philippines
13 Jun 12
I noticed it but I did not mind until one time I need to stop going to church as I lost a job I feel depressed, but then I was flooded by memories of church activities and I came to realize these things, and said oh no this is not right anymore. I better stay at home for a while. I understand them if they feel good about themselves what I don't like is that they are acting strange at me and sometimes I feel they don't value me though I am not doing anything bad, the only reason I have is that I cannot perform as well as they do. I feel the church seems to say if your okay come to church if you have problems don't try to mingle with us. So fine, after all I love God and not a bunch of self righteous people.
@SIMPLYD (90722)
• Philippines
14 Jun 12
Oh you might just be misinterpreting them averygirl. Perhaps they may just appear and act arrogant, when actually they're not. Maybe they could be of help, should you just ask them.
@averygirl72 (37845)
• Philippines
14 Jun 12
Well you are right. It was just me, assuming that just because people are in the church they should be a lot different from secular people who are not religious. Later on I found out, no huge difference at all, the same worldly people. Anyway we are all prone to sin I just need to laugh and accept that they are humans not saints. What is important is I am not innocent about it.
@megamatt (14292)
• United States
13 Jun 12
That is really something that would rather undermine the credibility of the church but this kind of elitist attitude tends to pop up with many religions. There are people who think that they are the backbone of the church. They are going to really think that it is their faith that is the strongest and obviously everyone is not the strongest believers out there. That is a bad thing. Yet it is going to really going to happen a lot of the time, there are going to be people like this. It would make anyone feel bad and feel slightly soured right towards the final church. There are people like this in every walk of life, who think of themselves as to be superior. There are just many times where this happens and it is frustrating. It would be a downer if something like that occurred.
@mythociate (21432)
• Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
5 Jan 13
I'm thinking that church-leaders ought to regard themselves as pirate Davy Jones was regarded by the East India Trading Company in Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End: "The Flying Dutchman sails as its captain commands!" "And he is to command as commanded!" A lot of the "churches" I've been a member-of were more about 'resource-management' than -about The Kingdom of G*d. Really--come to think of it--the Bible doesn't inform us about 'church' as much as it does about 'living at-peace with the rest of the world' (if you don't count all that "warmongering" in the first part). So those leaders DO 'command as commanded' ... commanded by commands given to them by THEMSELVES. And that 'obedience' NATURALLY descends into corrupt hypocrisy!
@averygirl72 (37845)
• Philippines
6 Jan 13
Now I am just being too negative about church but I came to realize it's not bad after all and you will find a lot of kind people out there in churches and most of them are good people really. The only problem with church and religions is they unconsciously turning hypocritical and people are naturally prone to those things. It's very common in many churches now. The point is everything starts to revolve around some key people like their big roles seem to make us just mere followers that we need to obey them because they are higher than us. Then when they start to have establish a status it's not about accepting others anymore. It's more on accepting them more as VIPs and if you cannot be as great as them you look pathetic trying hard to be somebody like them.
@averygirl72 (37845)
• Philippines
13 Jun 12
Like what you said, it is not impossible to have "elitist attitude" probably if I am as good as them I am one of them. Yes it makes worship service slightly soured, I am not looking for American Idols like performers, I am looking for a place to worship God and pray with a congregation, that is why to make things simple just stay at home during Sundays.
@winterose (39887)
• Canada
14 Jun 12
I have never been in a church like that. the minister however, is always given the respect because he is the minister. I wouldn't stay in a church where I didn't feel welcome.
@averygirl72 (37845)
• Philippines
23 Jun 12
Well, I thought it would not happen too, but it happened, church is not so welcoming actually, there are special groupings too.
@nemrac12 (388)
• Philippines
14 Jun 12
Hello mylotter, i am a Catholic. I go to church every Sunday not to please other people or the members of church community . I go there to pray,worship God, listen to the homily of the officiating priest. We are visiting the church to worship God, attend the mass.But if you feel you're not at ease in that place, better look for another place. I regularly visited Jesus Of Light Ministry , and i feel so blessed everytime i attended in their community. Preachers are very kind and nice, their explanations to the bible are simple and well understandable.
@averygirl72 (37845)
• Philippines
23 Jun 12
Hmm.. that is very nice. Though actually I have been to Catholic church, the main church and the small chapel in our area, I do feel old church people are not very welcoming to new attendees though, in Catholic no one cares so much, just sit there and go anytime you want. I have been to 2 Christian churches but quite the same, they seem very nice at first, like fake smiles but as you stay for long you will got to feel their real attitudes, in Christian churches I attended they do care so much about you.
@AidaLily (1450)
• United States
14 Jun 12
Well if you were in America, I would tell you that it happens a lot. We have preachers televised in which many people will flock to a reverend, or church choir group, and they expect you to believe that they are above you. If you don't, then yes I have seen and heard people speak about being ridiculed for not living up to their "expertise" and talent. It starts to diminish the credibility of religion all over, because people follow others who seem to believe themselves to be GOD. They even take on what is supposed to be God's job as some would put it. Judging, saying they can save people, saying that they are the one who was chosen to deliver the message of god by god and.. well that list goes on. To them they are the elite. They can speak publicly, preach, teach, sing, dance, play instruments, raise the most money for the church, etc. and you can't which to them makes you less of a person or make it seem you aren't doing enough. I would say ignore them. To put it lightly.... Religion is corrupt. Most religious people are corrupt. Even the tools of religion are corrupt. Your faith in the God you worship, should never be. If you want a good relationship with God and don't want to have to deal with "church people", then you can build a relationship with him on your own.
@averygirl72 (37845)
• Philippines
23 Jun 12
Great answer, what would I say? Church leaders starts to feel they are mini-Gods, especially Pastors and Priests. There is also what you call as church bureaucracy- meaning you need to be under their authority no matter what- they tend to exploit those authority so they feel so better about themselves. The ministries the whole point of gathering becomes corrupted because people in key positions starts to feel they are so appointed by God to do His work but actually they are doing their own agendas.
• Philippines
14 Jun 12
That's how it is even during the time of Jesus. We have our own ways of expressing our love for God. Even a simple prayer is very much appreciated by God if given wholeheartedly. I dont go to church much for various reasons but I pray to God most of time. What you pointed out would most likely not make me go to church in order to avoid me pointing my fingers on them. but if you have the guts, tell them what you see. if God would appreciate what they are doing. always remember...you worship God, not them. no matter what they say, do your best for god even as an audience.
@averygirl72 (37845)
• Philippines
23 Jun 12
Very love what you said! A simple, sincere prayer from the heart can be appreciated by God without the elaborate religious ceremonies. We only have God as our true audience. Great!
@peavey (16936)
• United States
13 Jun 12
People being human, that happens a lot. More often than not, I believe. It's hard to be in any position of leadership or power and not abuse it at all. I'm not making excuses for them because anyone who claims to follow Christ had better be careful about it. That's one thing that's wrong with the church as it has evolved from a far different thing. The church in the New Testament spoke of people gathering because they wanted to be with each other, not gathering out of some sense of propriety and then not even speaking to each other. Pastors, teachers, etc., were just people who were in the congregation - part of them, not above them. If anyone seems above a congregation, that is not of God. Being a preacher is a tough spot to be in. I think that's why the Bible doesn't call for them to be in the position we have somehow put them in (or they have put themselves in).
@averygirl72 (37845)
• Philippines
13 Jun 12
I come to a point that I do understand them and also find out it is really a tough spot. That is why the bible reminds us not to aspire to be all leaders or teachers. They should not look at the opportunity to serve key positions at a church as a license for them to feel so especial about themselves and those who cannot catch up with them should be subtly ridiculed when they have the opportunity. So sad, how it tainted my beliefs about church.
@elmiko (6630)
• United States
13 Jun 12
obviously it defeats the whole purpose of going to church for the right reasons. a church like that have lost their ways.
@averygirl72 (37845)
• Philippines
23 Jun 12
You are very right, in the beginning churches really defeats its main purpose and many actually will make us lost in our spirituality.
@jazel_juan (15746)
• Philippines
13 Jun 12
This is happening actually, there are church groups that do this and this is one of the reason as to why i do not like going to church.
@averygirl72 (37845)
• Philippines
13 Jun 12
This is all possible to happen, I believe not all church is like that but many is, if you start to see it, better be careful.
@suzzy3 (8341)
13 Jun 12
I don't go to church myself.I respect those who do everyones different,if we were all the same it would be a boring world.I would have a word with the vicar or priest and talk to them and tell them about your worries.They actually call that condition the god complex,where someone rises above all around and generally cheeses all around them off.Everybody is special and everybody has talents.You should not feel the need to compete in any environment like a church after all you are all gods children.
@averygirl72 (37845)
• Philippines
14 Jun 12
Well you are right, the church would be boring if not for the presence of great entertainers and if you have problems you can talk to a priest. Now that is what I really need a place where I can find answers to my problems. If people will just treat me as an audience for their cheesiness, cuteness and wonderfulness then I am in the wrong place, I went into a jolly fun club of elite celebs. So,let them have fun, I made a wrong motive in the first place. If you don't look as dashing as them get out, faith is not enough, you need to be fabulous and flashy!
@jaiho2009 (39141)
• Philippines
13 Jun 12
I will stop going with people like them. In my religion, I can say that there are members who still have sinned and made mistakes. But, never I saw one who acts like what you have written. Why should they act like that- everyone is equal in the eyes of the Lord. Whether you have talent or not, whether you can sing better or the best instrument player in the church- no one has the right to lift him/herself- everyone is equal and no one is important in the true church. A true believer and follower should and must have a low profile and will always consider the others as best and better than him/herself.
@averygirl72 (37845)
• Philippines
13 Jun 12
Your right low profile, people forgot that they are doing this things to serve God not to gain status or feel somebody else very much apart from the rest of the crowd. I deny this reality but as I continue to attend, I can no longer take it as everything seems obvious now. Oh no, I will just watched movies if I am looking for stars, I am not searching for idols who wants me to take their autographs and pictures. Showbiz and church are different spectrum.
@toniganzon (72281)
• Philippines
13 Jun 12
I'm glad that i don't go to a church with these kind of people. I'm glad that i'm surrounded by true worshiper of God who think we are all equal, brothers and sisters no matter what our standing in the society is or in church. I would definitely wouldn't go to a church with those kind of people that you mentioned about.
@averygirl72 (37845)
• Philippines
13 Jun 12
I like what you said, true worshiper of God, God has been longing for true worshiper where everyone is allowed to worship not based on talent, looks or economic status, yes standing. I guess worship lost its real point when key people at church starts to make you feel, they are just the one deserving to worship God.
@alutka (211)
13 Jun 12
there are many people who only speak nicely about the church, about his faith, but they are actually klamliwi.Nie vacuum and many are those that really believe, trust and go to church for God, a lot of people go because others do, because it falls because that are taught.
@averygirl72 (37845)
• Philippines
15 Jun 12
Yes that is true, most people speak only nice things about church and their faith and afraid of saying bad things to it because we know it is from God, but sometimes we need to be open to both sides of it.
@0riesmai (19)
14 Jun 12
it is a tradition he, we not happy whit it all us should not be angry.
@averygirl72 (37845)
• Philippines
23 Jun 12
What do you mean? Yes it is all about traditions.
• United States
13 Jun 12
I go to church to worship God, I don't just wait for church to do it though. If people think that their God given gifts make them better than me then the devil has used those gifts against God. I'm not a fan at church, I'm a sinner. I don't like applauding after a worship song, I'd rather point to God or give the heavy metal horns (who would notice anyway) so having others look down on me because they think they are better than me, well, that's the congregation isn't it. We all judge people for what they can and can't do. I would look for another church, the holy spirit is being snuffed out and he doesn't go where he isn't wanted.
@averygirl72 (37845)
• Philippines
13 Jun 12
True, devil has slowly corrupting churches like that without them noticing it until it gets so obvious, oh my God, it happens almost every Sunday, the church has become an entertainment production. If that is the case I will just watch TV and find some real actress and actors.
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
23 Jun 12
It is one of the reasons that I have not attended a church in many years. I don't like the fact that people use it sometimes to benefit themselves or that they go by the rules when it suits them. I know that all churches are not like that but it has become pretty common.
@petersum (4522)
• United States
13 Jun 12
That sounds like a religious lynch mob! Oh, you are not American! Well, even more surprised!
@averygirl72 (37845)
• Philippines
13 Jun 12
I am not American and yes it is common here also.
@Bluedoll (16773)
• Canada
13 Jun 12
I feel I would read the bible and learn about all this there. There are many people with gifts for different things. If someone has a gift and is good at something they can do it. If it is about talent and it is enjoyable I would say that is a good thing. Ridicule is not though and those that ridicule should be made to understand that sometimes the smaller sheep with a loving heart will be noticed more by the angels and a delight to God. They should watch not to ridicule those close to God. It would be bad for them. Churches are made of stone, wood, and only are buildings where people go for social gatherings. Every person in this world is not perfect and do have many needs so if they are thinking of themselves only then that will be their reward. Anyone that desires to get close to God however will be jealous for that but then the bible does say to be jealous for that. I feel getting close to God is something I could be jealous for and want it with all my heart.
@averygirl72 (37845)
• Philippines
13 Jun 12
You know it is very possible, since the church has a ready audience that automatically comes every Sunday. I am not jealous, in fact I don't push my self to have any of those role in the stage during Sundays but it gets worse every Sunday. I start to notice oh my, the church is a platform for those who want to be a Superstar! I cannot feel Jesus anymore, all I feel is that just sit there watch us perform, and clap your hands come back next week enjoy the show. I was given a break and I treat it as an opportunity to serve the Lord but I feel as if I am being sabotage and it is true. Anyway I am not competing for position, key role whatsoever, enjoy it all they want, give the glory to themselves all I need is just respect to me, and even if I don't perform as confident as they are they should not kick me right on my face, because I don't have motives like they do.