Is there Justice with God????

Every time we get this sort of discussion it becomes more and more obvious that there is no "god" that is the slightest bit interested in the welfare of any single person. species or even solar system. If there is a "god" in the sense that a human could understand then all he, she or it would be interested in is that the universe is operating correctly by the natural laws laid down to control it. Any "god" which someone claims is worth praying to or that controls a life has been invented by a person for their own benefit and does not exist in the real world only in peoples minds.

Hello bird123 My understanding of God is that God, while the history of God shows that God has been / is interested in Justice, the core of God is grace, which goes well beyond Justice. The God with whom I related is merciful and gracious. If Justice was God's only goal then there would be no room for mercy or grace.

If the laws are on the book and the authorized judge follows the law and sentences the lawbreaker with the prescribed punishment, can that judge be classified as tyrannical? What if the judge is willing to work out a deal with the accused, but the accused doesn't like his options and rejects the deal, is the judge a tyrant in that case? What if someone steps up and said He's willing to be a substitute and take the punishment so the accused could be set free, but the accused says he's not interested in accepting the substitute. Is the judge a tyrant for exercising His authority to follow through with the sentence?

I was brought up Catholic and the more I live I see that there is NO justice. If there were there would be an eye for an eye. We care more about the criminal today than the victim. Nothing illustrates this more than the Shanda Sharer case. Four teenagers, Hope Rippey now Anna. Toni Lawrence, Melinda Lawrence and Laurie Tackett beat for hours, then burned alive twelve year old Shanda. Hope,(Anna)now works at a dog kennel, Tony is a mother, Smiley Melinda trains dogs in prison and looks pretty happy to me, and Lori of course has found God. No there is no justice.

There is justice if you believe in the Bible's word. Some examples: Psalm 33:5- The Lord loves righteousness and justice; the earth is full of his unfailing love. Proverbs 28:5- Evil men do not understand justice, but those who seek the lord fully understand it. Where does it say in the Bible that people will spend an eternity in hell? It is all very vague and by man's interpretation.

Theologically speaking, justice refers to the quality of God that demands satisfaction for sin. God is perfect and He has the right to demand that humanity be perfect as well. Punishment for sin is justice just as it was justice when a criminal is put in jail. Christians have a wide variety of beliefs regarding hell. Most Americans are most familiar with the sort of low Protestant conception where people who don't believe burn for eternity. Historically, this is not necessarily the most representative view. Many Christians throughout the ages reject the notion of hell altogether, or state that it is only a temporary place where souls are purged before being reunited with God. Mercy is the quality of God that forgives or overlooks sin. If God were only just, all sins would require immediate punishment. If you are five years old and tell a fib to your mother, a perfect God would have every justification to strike you down immediately if He were ONLY just. Christians believe that God is also merciful. He occasionally suspends justice in favor of mercy because of His great love. The Christian view is certainly not that believers go to heaven and non-believers go to hell. Demons believe in Jesus, but they don't go to heaven. The majority of Christians believe that a person must ask for forgiveness from sin to go to heaven. Since any sin can deny you entrance to heaven and we are all sinners from childhood, no one deserves entrance if only justice were considered. Christian doctrine states that God will forgive sin because of His great mercy if someone asks. It does not matter if your sins are great in the eyes of men or very small; either way sin will deny you entrance unless there is true repentance. A serial killer may go to heaven. No man can judge another man's heart or intentions. Just because a serial killer says he's sorry, it doesn't necessarily mean that he has God's forgiveness. At the same time, the ability to forgive belongs to God alone so if He wishes to forgive, it is His right to do so. Life on Earth is not "fair." The Bible never promises us fairness. What it does promise is that those who rely on Jesus will find salvation. Our work on Earth is to dedicate ourselves to finding that salvation by submitting to the Holy Spirit. I am glad that God is not ONLY just because without mercy we would all be in a lot of trouble.

God punishes as He see's fit.That is justice!.I truly believe that God is His children's only judge. In 1985 a man broke into my apartment an attacked me in front of my children.From the beating I received many scares on my head,my right ear drum was busted,leaving it deaf.Three bones were busted in my skull causing some skull fractures that caused some brain issues.Such as spelling and I still forget words.My left arm was fractured and has permanant nerve damage.I was in a coma for 2 weeks.All of the scares where able to be removed with plastic surgery,three plates were placed in my skull to replace the broken bones.I have equalibrium problems. I was hypnotized to remember who the attacker was.The police would not arrest him.I tried to encourage the arrest for a year,then I faced the truth.If I spent the rest of my life pursuing this issue,I would lose time with raising my children.So,I stopped trying to get him arrested and said,"Well God will get him in the end." That is the truth,I feel as well as many other people that I know.

God is a god of justice but of also really high standards. man fall short of God's standards but His son Jesus made a way to reach Jesus and be with Him in Heaven when we die.

The justice meted out to humans by the Gods...it is not always as we hope it would be. The ways of the Gods are often strange and less understandable to the common lot. God would not pronounce his ultimate justice until and unless he tries or experiments his subjects fully. God has his own designs on the entire humanity as a whole.Justice delayed could never be taken as justice denied.

I cant figure out my you question God regarding this matters. Ofcourse God is the source of Justice. Everyone here on Earth will face justice on the Judgement day. He will serve justice against the murderers who escape the Law of man. Man can escape the Justice of man but not God's.

Frankly I don't understand what you describe here. To me, God gives us choices and with those choices there are consequnces. So, it's really up to us what we are going to do with our life.

Certainly, all of us want justice. Justice for our loved ones who had been abused, or used, or hurt. Justice for many who had suffered a lot. Without question, God is a just God. We can come up with lots of our reasons and wonderful points for consideration. However, our minds are just limited to what we can think, see, hear, touch, or smell. As the scripture says, "our thoughts are not God's thoughts; our ways are not His ways." What you raised are good points, but God has His own. We have great plans for our life or someone's life, but it is always God's plan that prevail.

There is absolute justice with God. I have experienced it both with wrongdoing on my part and also with doing good. You may not receive justice at the moment you yearn for it, but life comes full circle and karma is a strange thing. I used to be very angry with God and had a fight for everything. People change as they grow older. They become more aware of what pleases God and what brings them peace. Ten years ago I would have railed at my diagnosis of Parkinson's and blamed God for my problems. But I was the cause of my own misfortune. I got Parkinson's because of my anxiety and my smoking. I did not rail with God. I said thank you for the warning so I could live and eat right.

hello bird123! what an interesting discussion...i feel/think that God is more than any human understanding or knowing and therefore it is difficult for us to completely understand or explain God...actually, pure faith would argue that God does not need to be explained, He is God...there are so many names and aspects and qualities of God throughout the ages, in each religion, in every country and culture and to each individual...i do know that God is good, the quality of real goodness that humans can only attain to...and as such God is a balance of justice and mercy...

Strange are the ways of God..his designs on every human is definitely pre-planned. There is no force which could alter the decision of God .We are just puppets in his hands. The mercy showered is dependent largely on our being held in likeness by God.

real justice is justice established by God. How do we know that real justice is in the hands of God? try you look around you ... you try to see that all beings have in common the same time that oxygen breathing at no charge

Hi bird: I think I have shared with you my opinion on Hell and it's not as some religions describe it. Hell is a place you come in my opinion not because God wants to punish you but because you regret him. If someone doesn't want to be near God he won't force him/her to be in a place he/she just doesn'rt want to be because of his/ her actions. ALVARO

To try to find justice from God is all anthropomorphism on Him. And yeah the nature has the power to take revenge its own way on some one unfair.