Isn't it ok for men to have a list too?
@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
United States
June 20, 2012 9:30am CST
many women have a list of what the ideal mate is. But is it ok for men to have a list too? I saw a clip of the Bachelorette where a guy whipped out his written list of the ideal mate. Obviously he didn't get the rose. Emily said she thought she had to be perfect when she is with him. I once again applaud the guy.If women can have a list , why not men? what do you think? Don't men have the right to have a list of traits of the ideal mate for themselves?
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@PageTurner (2825)
• United States
20 Jun 12
Hello sarahruthbeth22
What's good for the goose is good for the gander, eh?
I am fortunate in that I wasn't even aware / had not even thought of developing a list until after I met Mrs. Turner and realized that she is the definition of all that I could ever hope for in a mate.
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@PageTurner (2825)
• United States
20 Jun 12
Yes, stowyk, I am exceedingly blessed with Mrs. Turner as me mate.
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@AmbiePam (93898)
• United States
20 Jun 12
I figured there was only one thing on a guy's list - good looking. When I was younger there was really only two things I was looking for, him being a Christian and being taller than me. lol I've been 5'11 since I was 13 and always feared ending up with a Barney Rubble.
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@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
21 Jun 12
Wow! This guy had more than just good looking on his list! I had a vision of what I hope he would look like but... my good friend looked exactly like my vision while my guy has the heart and viewpoints I wanted! Funny my guy and I have different faiths and being Jewish Never made my list!
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
20 Jun 12
hio ambiepam and I had the opposite problem I was 5 ft 2, with eyes
of blue, and still am. my hubby was 5 ft 11 so he had to reach the high shelves for me.. I was always afraid I would marry a 6 ft 3 incher myself but my hubby was fine. he loved teasing me about being a shorty.
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@floridachick (603)
• United States
20 Jun 12
Maybe a mental list but not written down on paper, that is so tacky and pretentious. Everyone has an idea of what they are looking for... example: good with children(if they want children or already have them) good in bed ( doesn't have to be a pro but it helps) just a good person in general. all they other stuff isn't that important like nice car, fancy clothes, etc.... and I'm using examples i am sure there are other things to add that are important i just can't think of any but feel free to add to the list.
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@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
20 Jun 12
I heard a sad line from a sit com, The woman said her ideal mate has to be 7 inches taller than her! Really? 7? what if he is just 5? does she walk away?!
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@triplejazzm51 (1373)
• Philippines
20 Jun 12
For me it's okay for both men and women to have a list of character traits of their ideal partner. It is just a list anyway and more often this list does not really apply to the partner or mate they end up with. I too had a list of traits of a boyfriend i want to have but i ended up with a man having only three of the character traits i wanted. Sometimes we end up with a person we do not like at first.
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@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
20 Jun 12
Wow. With me I had a small list and yet I didn't realize my guy Was the list when we first met.We were just friends. As long as you end up happy, it doesn't matter!
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@kkaria309 (297)
• United States
20 Jun 12
Oh yes absolutely, I think it not just 'okay', but good for a guy to have a list of his own. It shows that he has given lots of thought into what kind of person he wants to spend his life with. I know I have a mile-long list of attributes that I want in my future husband. If the man I want to marry loves me truly, he would work towards achieving as much of the attributes on my list as possible.
I would not mind changing some things in my life for the one I love, if he has a list too. I would be privileged to fit that list. You might say, why change ourselves to be someone we are clearly not? I cannot become 'kind' or 'humble' if I am not that person, but I can definitely be 'a good cook', 'a great friend', couldn't I? All depends on the list.
But its a novel idea for men to have lists too.
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@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
20 Jun 12
What if you meet a guy who has only 3 traits you are looking for and he isn't willing to change?Let's say he is naturally your top three. Would you try to work it out or would you leave?
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@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
20 Jun 12
Great! I don't want you to be more married to the list , the ideal, that you miss out on a good man. I wish you love.
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@kkaria309 (297)
• United States
20 Jun 12
If I really love him, I would work it out, and I would adjust my list, if that is what it takes. I think I am the kind of person to love wholly, good or bad, and I would love everything about him.
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@syramoon (654)
• United States
20 Jun 12
I think it is okay for both sexes to have a list of their ideal mate, although sometimes I think these lists can be crazy. I mean no one is perfect, so how can we expect that of any one else. I mean we all have things we won't tolerate, and I'm not saying that anyone should feel they're settling in a relationship, but lists should be reasonable - at least to me. Maybe I'm too practical to be much of a romantic. lol
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@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
20 Jun 12
I'm living proof that it is possible to meet a partner who is your list. But like you, my list was practical. My guy doesn't look like Brad Pitt but he is beautiful.
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@syramoon (654)
• United States
20 Jun 12
I'm not saying it isn't possible, but I have friends with lists that seem impractical. One in particular has it down to a T. From exactly how tall, to the fact he must have brown eyes, and blonde hair, and it gets more outrageous from there as in his favorite movie must be X and favorite food Y. And that his friends are all married already, so they won't take his time away from her. That his family isn't needy of his time, and it got more bizarre.I mean when she was telling me I was like, "Girl, just go get a dog. You're never going to find a man that fits all of that."
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@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
20 Jun 12
I would say go buy a escort , that is easier! I must confess I had the type, a way I thought he would look like but... turns out my good friend looked Exactly that way and my guy is a polar opposite! I feel so sad for your friend. She may have met The One but tossed him aside because he didn't look right, or didn't like movie X!
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@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
21 Jun 12
I thi9nk if you are so attached to the list , you will miss out on meeting the One. But I do think there is one or two things you need over all things and if the one you are with do not measure up, it may not last!
@JJ4Ever (4693)
• United States
22 Jun 12
I think it's great that a man seeking a woman has a list too. He has to know what he wants just as the girl should know what she wants. However, I think the problem with this particular guy is that he expected a lot of his future wife. He kept calling her a "trophy" wife. I don't know about you, but that to me sounds like the girl is a prize to be won or something to put on a shelf and only use it when needed. I think Ryan did expect a lot of Emily, but I think he would expect the same out of any girl. I don't think he was denied the rose because of his list. I think it's great that he had a list! I think it's because Emily didn't see a future with him. She did think he had too high expectations, and I'd have to agree. He also caught me as a bit self centered too. However, I'm sure he's a nice guy in person. Maybe it's just the way he comes off on camera. Some people seem a bit conceited on camera, but it could be a way of handling the nerves lol. I thought he was a nice guy and deserved the first date and the first second date, as he put it haha. It was an interesting episode this last week...
@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
22 Jun 12
I see no problem with wanting a trophy wife . All I can say is that type of trophy wife requires a Lot of money! As a regular wife/ partner will work to help the family , a trophy wife Expects to be taken care of 24/7. A regular wife will bear and raise the children as a trophy wife may not raise the child and only carry a baby if you pay for the lippo for the baby fat and a wet nurse so she can get her beauty rest. You Have to be care what you wish for. I am not sure Ryan has enough money for a real trophy wife. In fact I would be a trophy wife! I always say I would Have to be sold into marriage. I wouldn't marry for love but for money!
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@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
22 Jun 12
Unless he goes to L.A. and has a chain of gyms/spas , he won't be able to afford a trophy wife. It takes money to attract And keep a real trophy wife. If he thinks they are like regular, hard working women, he is setting himself up for a fall.
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@JJ4Ever (4693)
• United States
22 Jun 12
Now that you put it that way, I'd love to be a trophy wife too! I didn't think to look at it from the wife's perspective, but you have a very good point lol! I didn't think of the money aspect, but you're exactly right. She wouldn't be expected to do a lot of "chores" that a regular wife would have to do. If the money is there, then he absolutely deserved a trophy wife! If I remember correctly, Ryan's occupation was a workout instructor, a sports coach, or something along those lines. It could be a good income, but who knows! Maybe he was trying to turn a regular girl into a trophy wife without having the monetary backup.
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@dream_ozn (1754)
• Singapore
20 Jun 12
i personally think it is perfectly for guys to have a list too.
all of us are humans, it is only natural that everybody will have a list where they have an ideal.
they definitely have the right to have a list of traits of the ideal mate for themselves. no doubt
@inertia4 (27960)
• United States
27 Jun 12
Lots of people have a mental list of what their ideal partner should be. But having a list I think is retarded. Everyone has a certain taste in people. Some men like asian girls, or black girls, or italian girls, whatever, and girl have the same kind of taste. When it comes down to what kind of qualities, thats where it gets to be a sticking point. Not everyone is going t find that perfect someone. There is no such thing as perfect. And everyone is different. It comes down to the basics, are they compatible together, do they get along and the big one, ask ourself one question, can I live with this person for the rest of my life.
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@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
27 Jun 12
But That is the One , The perfect one for you. The person you can see being with for the rest of your life Is the Perfect one for you! they can live with your flaws and you can live with theirs! I disgree with your view on people with lists. It isn't reatarded. But it can be sad if they are married to the list. Their Perfect one May not Look the way they thought they would. Like you said some guys Love Asian Girls but G-d made their perfect match in another hue. If he Only sticks to Asian Women, he may miss out. But To Actually have a list is either good or bad in my book. Just as long as you are Still open to love in the form it is given to you. I know my guy does not look the way my teenage dream looked like. G-d gave me a good friend that looked that way. But... the heart I needed was in my man!
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@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
6 Jul 12
With my guy it was his heart. The way he listens to me as If I were the Only person on the planet. He told me It Was Everything about me that he fell for. Most of these things I thought No guy would like or want.
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@inertia4 (27960)
• United States
6 Jul 12
I understand what you're saying. And you're right about the person not looking like your ideal person. I believe there is always one quality in a person that makes them stand out from the rest. It could be something simple like how they smile, or a dimple, or just how they carry themselves. Whatever it is, there is always that special thing. And for me, when I first met T years ago, it was multiple things that stood out. Her face, everything about her face was special to me. Her attitude, the way she acted, her personality. They were the things that drew me to her. But as we know I could not cross that line back then. But those things still work to this day. When I ran into her again, it was like years ago all over again.
@LovingMyBabies (85288)
• Valdosta, Georgia
20 Jun 12
I don't think it had anything to do with his list at all. She made the right decision. See, before his list he told her she better not get fat or he wont love on her anymore. He constantly said he wants a trophy wife to her so of course she felt perfection was the only option for her. But she is a mother, we don't always have time before we go somewhere to look like a "trophy wife". Mothers have enough work to make sure our children are taken care of. She might not always be thin like she is now, there are far more important things than being thin or fat. He was a shallow guy plain and simple.
With him I think all of it combined was her issue, not just the list. A lot happened before that episode with him. He was a jerk and I applaud her for sending him home.
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@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
21 Jun 12
Is it me or has Emily had all the jerks? Ali only had one and she booted him off. Ash had Bentley and she soon got rid of him. But Emily seem to be cleaning house Each week! It is sad. I thought it would be hard for her but not This hard.
@LovingMyBabies (85288)
• Valdosta, Georgia
21 Jun 12
She has had a few of them but the ones on there now seem to be pretty good guys. Hopefully Ryan was the last jerk there. I like most of the guys left now. I hope she finds one good for her.
I am really glad she sent him home though, he really was a JERK.
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@LovingMyBabies (85288)
• Valdosta, Georgia
20 Jun 12
Oh and I absolutely think it is okay for men to have a list as well. It has to be a realistic one though since nobody is perfect. Sometimes I think some men believe they deserve perfection, they can keep looking but they should expect to be searching forever and being alone in the mean time. Ryan was one of those guys, he thought he was God's gift to women...
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@ShyBear88 (59347)
• Sterling, Virginia
21 Jun 12
I think its normal and okay for a guy to have an list of what he wants in a women. I don't think its far if one gender can have one but the other can't. Men don't just want a women that they find attractive some men want more and a list is a prefect way to know what you do and do not want. When your with the right person it won't matter if your prefect or not because to your ideal mate they will feel your perfect enough for what they want in a partner.
Men no what they want just as much as women do.
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@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
22 Jun 12
" Perfect For you." that is it. we all have flaws but your perfect mate can and agrees to live with your flaws and you agree to live with his/hers!My list was so small. All I wanted was for a guy to love me As Is. I didn't have to change my core because he loves me for it.sadly that is why for many years I Never thought I would have love in my life. What guy would love my core? Well, my guy does! with this comes respect and understanding, Both ways! This is why I feel so sad for those who think they Have to change or fit on a list to find love!
@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
21 Jun 12
" When you are with the right person, it won't matter if you are perfect or not. Because to your ideal mate, they will feel you are perfect enough for what they want in a partner." I wish Every person looking for love could hear And believe this! It is soo true. When my guy said he loved me I said Are you sure? I am not a size 0 Nor am I a beautiful blonde So I started listing all the reasons I thought I was not right. But with each statement he told me that was a Reason he loved me! It is good to know what you want and what you don't. But many are married to the list that they miss out on a good match. Or they think like me, they Must Look a certain way or be a certain size and that is soooo wrong.
@ShyBear88 (59347)
• Sterling, Virginia
21 Jun 12
No one has to be prefect. I wanted certain qualities and I knew which ones I could live with and which I couldn't live with out. Some just weren't that important to me and in love. I don't think there is the "prefect person" but there is some where out there the prefect person for you. The might not have everything you want in a mate but they should have the ones you know you can't live with out. Like for me I wanted and I know I couldn't go with out this one someone that respected me as much as I respect them. I thought and still do feel its part of my ideal mate. My mate has that, he understands me and respects me. Some times we have mixed signals but we are both only human.
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@davaome (1826)
• Philippines
7 Jul 12
I think there's nothing wrong for us men to have a list
But I guess we(men) don't make one on a piece of paper unless we are told to do so. For me I have my ideal mate list on my head for safe keeping, because I guess I don't feel so manly about it
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@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
8 Jul 12
Is this you in your avatar? Wow! I hope you find the right person! Follow your heart!
@subhojit10 (7375)
• India
20 Jun 12
Yeah of course men too have the right of choosing the girl of their dreams. Men too can have their own list of the attributes that they look out in a girl.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
29 Jun 12
Having a list is being an idealist and it means your expectations are unrealistic. A list is usually all positives and no-one, man or woman is that good. We all have as many negative traits as we do positive ones.
I think this kind of list is immature. You can meet someone and have a connection and he is nothing like your list but you go with your feelings anyway.
@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
29 Jun 12
First I never said I was mature. Second, you have never met Ny guy. Third I think Sticking to a list too much is immature , Not having a list. Everyone Knows deep down what they can and cannot live with. What flaw is Way too much.True no one is perfect but there is a perfect match for those who want it! Keeping to a strict list you will miss on it. I got sooo lucky. my guy found me! He has Every trait I need but... he doesn't look like my teenage dream, Big f@cking deal! So I do agree about following your heart not the list but I Still say it is good to have list , an idea of what you Really need and want.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
20 Jun 12
hi sarahruthbeth yes I guess it is okay the list is actually valid
I mean no matter how good or pretty a woman is she is human and
all humans make mistakes. now if the list gives doable qualities
fine. yes woman have lists too and my hubby fulfilled my list. he loved kids and dogs and cats, had a great sense of humor and respected women so that was neat. He was attractive but not Hollywood handsome and so what, it was what he was that attracted me to him,,. not outer looks at all.
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@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
21 Jun 12
The one thing that was on my list my guy did Before we became an item, he listened to me. I mean as though I was the Only person on the planet. Yes he is beautiful and caring but he gets me And loves me as Is is why I fell for him. My love keeps growing because he is so good and kind.He lets me in and That is great! I'm going on and on, gushing all over the place. forgive me.
@maezee (41988)
• United States
21 Jun 12
I think it's alright to have a short list. But I feel like a long list, with what someone wants in a person's looks, etc - is a little overkill if you ask me. You can't be too picky, because then you might shut yourself off from an opportunity to get to know someone who could really suit you. I don't think we know our *type*'s to the tee, just because, who knows what kind of person will have the best chemistry and compatibility with us? I have a very short list. Must have a job. Must have a car (otherwise I would be driving them around all the time - ugh). Must not be a free loader. Must be somewhat attractive (to me). Must have a sense of humor and not take things too seriously. That's about it! I have never watched the Bachlorette but I would imagine they WOULD have an incredibly picky list. I mean look at them! They barely look like "regular people" - they look like freakin' celebrities! And they are on a TV show to find a girlfriend! They must be pretty darn picky!
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@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
21 Jun 12
It wasn't what my guy looked like that made me fall but his heart. His way.if I said , oh he doesn't look the way I thought and walked away , I would have missed the love of my life! It is so sad many people say their partner Must be this or I won't be with him. Question. Would you date a guy who is Just about to get that car? Just about to start that job? and is naturally funny?
@Bhebelen14 (5194)
• Philippines
21 Jun 12
Yes they have the right to make their own list for their ideal mate. My husband has his own list but I dont, but is okay because were already married and those list was only a list which he want to reads once in a while. I believe that both male and female has equal right in everything in thing world
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@AngeloSignorelli (13)
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7 Jul 12
I think it's perfectly acceptable for a guy to have a "list" of the ideal partner.
It shows maturity and foresight for him, and that he understands what he wants in his life.
Now... Having a physical list and bringing it out on a date... That's just a bad idea. Kind of like when cousins marry.
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