Public transportation
By Porcospino
@Porcospino (31366)
Denmark
July 6, 2012 1:27pm CST
In the past I used public transportation a lot and in my childhood it was possible to travel by bus even if you didn't have any money. In past you paid the driver when you left the bus and not when you entered the bus. If you didn't have any money, you asked the driver for "an envelope", and it was a special envolope that you could send without a stamp. When you got back to your home you were supposed to put the coins for the fare in the envelope and send it to the bus station. Well, that was the idea behind it, but a lot of people cheated and "forgot" to mail the envelope with the coins and eventually this system was abolished. Today you have to pay when you enter the bus and if you don't have any money you have to walk.
What is it like in your country? Is is possible to pay the fare later or will the driver refuse to let your enter the bus if you don't have the money for the fare?
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@lkbooi (16070)
• Malaysia
7 Jul 12
Hi Porcospino, it's a great memory in your childhood to experience such an awesome travelling, after service. Moreover passenger was allowed to pay via mail after the ride. Oh my, it's disappointed that culprits who had bad intention to take advantage on this had spoiled this considerate system on account of their greed. If not how nice you still can enjoy such perfect public transportation system
Here, since childhood we have to pay before reaching our destination. Every bus there is a conductor to collect bus fare. One will receive different color of ticket with the amount of fare printed on it. Children under age of 6 is free of charge , whereas those under 12 pay only half the price of an adult.
Happy posting
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@lkbooi (16070)
• Malaysia
20 Aug 12
Thanks for the BR
Nowadays things change a lot, many people have their own vehicles like car and majority have their respective motorcycles. Teenagers could get motorbike license once they have reach the age of 16. Of course they have to pass the exam first. It's more convenient to ride on personal motorbike than riding on bus. And cabs are available in every corner here. I rarely travel by bus except having long distance journey.
Have a nice day
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@Porcospino (31366)
• Denmark
8 Jul 12
I think that the idea behind the old system was great. If a person was stuck in town and had no money for the bus he or she could get still get back to their home and pay the fare later. Personally I never used the envelope system, but while I travelled by bus in my childhood I saw many people who asked the driver for an envelope. Unfortunately a lot of people didn't use the system the way that it was intended and they just threw away the envelopes instead of sending them to the bus station. Eventually they chose to abolish the system because there were too many people who used the busses without paying.
In my country the youngest children don't have to pay a fare either. Children under 14 pay half the price of an adult. If you ask for "en omstigning" you can use your ticket in another bus when you leave the first bus (but it is only possible if you continue your trip within an hour)
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@lampar (7584)
• United States
8 Jul 12
In the city i live, you have to buy a ticket first before you can travel in a public mass transit system, for public bus, you are ordered to pay upfront at the entrance of the bus where a collection box is placed next to the driver for the ticket before he will allow you to take your seat. All public transportation in my country is pay first, talk later system, if you don't have any $$ inside your pocket, tough luck! my friend, you need to take a walk with your feet after gotten cuss/lecture from the driver. There is no such thing you get to travel first, pay later type of system in place base solely on your 'honesty', 'conscience', 'legal obligation' or even 'citizenry duty' by expecting the driver will hand you an envelope instead of his warning. All public transportation system here base on one type only, "No money No ride, just take a Walk and Have a nice day " form of system.
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@Porcospino (31366)
• Denmark
11 Aug 12
In my country the travel first, pay later system has also been abolished in the city where I grew up. Two many people cheated and simply threw away the envelopes instead of the sending them to the bus station like they were supposed to. The old system was built on trust and honesty, but a lot of people just saw it is a chance to use the bus for free. There were no limitations either. You could ask for an envelope as often as you wanted, and the company lost a lot of money that way.
@maximax8 (31046)
• United Kingdom
6 Jul 12
On a bus the passenger must pay the total fare to the driver on a modern bus or the bus conductor on an old style bus. The driver would not let the passenger get on the bus if he or she has just one pound thirty and the bus fare is one pound fifty. The best possible thing is another passenger might pay the twenty pence. I am sure the passenger short of money would be ever so grateful.
It is possible to get a bus pass at a news agents shop using a debit card. Then the passenger could ride without needing money. Students can get a cut price travel card to ride on the bus to college.
At the train station the ticket office is only open early morning two times a week. At other times a ticket machine must be used and it only accepts debit or credit cards. It says it accepts money but it does not. There is a twenty pound fine if the person gets on a train and doesn't have a ticket. The person should find the ticket inspector and ask to buy a ticket. Again the price has to paid there and then.
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@Porcospino (31366)
• Denmark
8 Jul 12
It is interesting to hear that you have bus conductors on some busses. In the past we also had bus conductors in my country, but it was abolished many years ago and today you always have to pay the driver. In my country it is also possible to buy a bus pass. That is easier and cheaper if you travel a lot. I used to buy a monthly bus pass and with that bus pass I was able to travel as much as I wanted. I saved some money that way and it was nice that I didn't have to carry coins for the fare.
I am not sure if we are still able to use cash when we buy a train ticket from the ticket machine, because today my husband and I usually travel by car. In the past there were two kinds of ticket machines: One where you paid with coins and another one where you paid with credit cards. The fine in my country is much higher than 20 pounds, you have to pay 750 kr which is about 80 pounds if you are caught without a ticket.
@bhanusb (5709)
• India
8 Jul 12
The older system in your country was excellent. Anybody could travel by bus if he or she had not enough money for the bus fare. That person later could send the fare. Actually for dishonesty of some people we have lost some good system. In our country we have to pay fare before boarding a bus. There is no system to pay later. There is a system of monthly ticket.
@Porcospino (31366)
• Denmark
14 Jul 12
Yes, the old system was excellent. If you were stuck in town and couldn't afford the the bus fare from the town to your home you could use the bus anyway. Later on you could simply send the money for the fare via the mail. The system was built on trust, but unfortunately a lot of people took advantage of the system and threw the envelopes in the garbage bin instead of mailing them to the bus station like they were supposed to. As a result the system was abolished. It is sad that they had to abolish the system, but I understand why they chose to do it because the company lost a lot of money when people used the bus without paying.
@sjlskl (3382)
• Singapore
8 Jul 12
In my country, if you do not have money, then you have to walk. Gone are the days whereby the driver will give you the benefits of a doubt and let you ride for free. As for the payment, if you are paying by cashing, then you have to pay when you board. If you are using the stored value card, then you have to tap it when you board and again when you exit. Money will be deducted upon exit.
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@Porcospino (31366)
• Denmark
14 Jul 12
In my country you also have to pay when you board the bus. In the past we paid when we left the bus so it was possible to board the bus even if we didn't have enough money for the fare. Unfortunately a lot of people could advantage of that system so today we have to pay when we board the bus - or walk. Like in the your country we can use cash or cards when we pay. If you want to travel by bus relatively often it is much cheaper to buy a card, but if you only travel by bus every once in while if is better to use cash.
@fannitia (2167)
• Bulgaria
6 Jul 12
Hi, Porcospino, this is amazing, I've never seen such a thing! So they believed that people would be honest and send the money for the travel. But as we see every day there are more cheaters than good people. Any way, I have the naive hope that one day it could be just the opposite. And it would be a better world for everybody. But people have to learn that they have interest to be honest... Have a nice time!
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@Porcospino (31366)
• Denmark
8 Jul 12
Yes, they believed that people would send the money for the trip when they arrived at their destination. Some people did that, but a lot of people saw it as a chance to get a free trip and they just threw away the envelopes instead of sending them to the bus station. When we had that system there were no limitations and each person was able to get an envelope as often as he or she wanted, the cheaters knew that so they just kept on asking for envelopes and kept on throwing the envelopes away. The system was built on trust and many people took advantage of the system. Today it is not possible to travel by bus if you can't pay the fare.
@thrwbckjay67 (2870)
• United States
6 Jul 12
It is the same for me where I am; you pay when you are getting on. That is the only way to get admission to any form of public transportation. If you cannot afford it, then you are stuck finding another way to get around. It really is not possible for you to get on the bus without paying. There are trains in which you CAN get on without paying, but I will say that is illegal and you will get ticketed if they happen to check you and see that you in fact did not pay the fare in order to ride.
I think that would not work anymore; fact is there are a lot of people who would take advantage of that kind of system and get their "free" rides. I can see why it was stopped in your area because it would just be a way for people to take advantage and in turn make it expensive for the company/city to continue offering the transportation in general.
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@Porcospino (31366)
• Denmark
6 Jul 12
Yes, a lot of people took advantage of the system. They asked for an envelope, but when they got back to their home they threw the envelope in the garbage bin instead of sending the money. There weren't any rules about the number of times that you could ask for an envelope, so some people did it all the time and never paid the fare. The company lost a lot of money, and eventually they decided to abolish the envelope system. Today people aren't allowed to enter the bus without money.
In the trains we have to buy a ticket before we enter the train. If you are caught without a ticket, the fine is about $125. Some people still try to cheat, but it is very risky and most of them get caught.
@cher913 (25782)
• Canada
6 Jul 12
no, in the city where i live, if you don't have the money right off when you get in, the bus driver will make you get off the bus. because i walk with a quad cane (due to bad knees and fibro) i get to take the bus for free so i always take the bus if i am going out.
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@Porcospino (31366)
• Denmark
6 Jul 12
It is great that you are able to take bus for free. That option doesn't exist in my country. If you can prove that you have an illness and you can get a discount (50% of price as far as I know) but taking the bus for free isn't possible. Today we also have to pay the driver when we enter the bus and if we can't pay we will have to leave. Many people abused the system that we had in the past, and that is the main reason why it got abolished.
@kingparker (9673)
• United States
6 Jul 12
Definitely you have to paid the bus fare upfront, otherwise, they won't allow to take the bus. Sometimes, if there is a desperate person who is in need of taking a bus, some people will do a good will, and willing to pay for that particular person's fare. That is what I had seen before, but rarely happen though. You can purchase the monthly card for the transportation fare, and you might get a cheaper rate for it in the U.S.
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@Porcospino (31366)
• Denmark
8 Jul 12
That happens in my local busses, too. Sometimes other passagers pay for a person who doesn't have money for the fare. In some cases a person without money asks directly if anyone would be willing to pay their fare. Sometimes another passenger pays for him or her and sometimes they will have to leave the bus because no one offers to pay for them. In the past the people without money could still travel because they were able to ask the driver for "an envelope", today those envelopes have been abolished and you have to pay the fare when you enter the bus.
@jricky1 (6800)
• China
9 Jul 12
For me,i always try to bring money when going out in case that i use the public transportation.For the fee of them are pretty low when i was a kid,but nowadays,it's ok now.Most often i try to use the bus coz it's much cheaper than the cab.lol,if i have a car,i think this is the most convenient.
@sjvg1976 (41281)
• Delhi, India
6 Jul 12
Hello Porcospino,
In my country too they ask for the money when one enters in the bus and if you don't have money they would simply ask you to get down from the bus.We never had the system of an envelope.I have been seeing the same system since i have been travelling in the public transport.
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@Porcospino (31366)
• Denmark
8 Jul 12
The system where you pay when you enter the bus seems to be the most common system. If you ask people to pay when they enter the bus it not possible to cheat and that is probably the reason why you have to pay when you enter the bus. The system that we had in my country in the past was built on trust. They let people travel by bus without paying first and expected them to mail the money for the fare when they got home. Some people did that, but a lot of people didn't do it and the the company lost a lot of money when people were using the bus for free and eventually the company decided to abolish the envelope system.
@KOSTAS499 (1624)
• Greece
11 Aug 12
There are machines where you can get your ticket. So, no excuses. 10 years ago, we had to buy tickes in stores, so you would ask the driver to stop and get a ticket somewhere along the way.
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