Is this proper grammer?

I thought "these" was the better way too, but like Owlwings says above...functinally vs. grammatically. I hear "these ones" on TV all the time lately...not to mention hearing people use it daily. It just seems so common these days...

Interesting different useage. In Queens english, ones means my. ie. One talks about ones clothes or, translated into American english - I talk about my clothes

I thought something looked odd when I spelled it, but was to hot to work on it! Gets really hot here in my computer room and this was my last work for the day before I melted away. Thank you for pointing that out. IT will be one of those things...that now.. I will never forget!

LOL! I thought it was kind of funny :) It's been unbearably hot here too! I do not do well in the heat. Plus, there is the "cabin fever" factor. We're all getting a little grumpy around here! LOL Today was hot but a definite relief from the 100s!

As many here have instinctively felt, "one" or "ones" in this context may often appear to be superfluous (and therefore functionally redundant), however that doesn't mean that it's grammatically (or syntactically) incorrect. In fact, spoken English often uses redundancy and repetitive constructions to emphasise and particularise an idea. It is also used for reasons of rhythm and to avoid sounds which jar or sound bad together. Compare these two (both grammatically and syntactically correct) sentences: "I would like these, please." "I would like these ones, please." In the first, the sounds of 'these' and 'please' coming together sound harsh and many speakers would instinctively prefer the second because it separates the similar sounds with a word which is, semantically, redundant but, nevertheless, has a definite function. We can't say that either is more 'correct' because both follow accepted rules of grammar and syntax. There is far more to correct English than just grammar and syntax. We use the language correctly even when we introduce semantic redundancy. The study of this kind of usage is called 'pragmatics'. I feel that those people who believe that it is 'wrong' or 'incorrect' to say 'these ones' are missing something very essential and potent about language - that it is intended to convey ideas and that, in order to do that effectively, especially in speech, it is often necessary to use duplication and redundancy to match the rhythm of the listener's thought process. Our natural attention to the meaning of what we hear spoken (and also to what we read) has something of a 'wave structure' or a rhythm. An expert speaker exploits this (and some even do it consciously), even in quite short utterances, by making sure that the 'key' ideas coincide with the attentive highs in a rhythmic 'awareness cycle'. Much of the art of good speaking - and of good conversation - lies in being aware of this rhythm, achieving synchronisation in the audience and then placing the 'key' points of an argument on the peaks of the cycle.

Yeah, someone already told me about my mispelling! It gets so hot in my computer room, this was the final action of the day and it didn't "feel" right when I typed it, but I was to hot to change it! But "these ones"...isn't the "ones" redundant...."I want these" and point to the ones out of the many that you want?

I hear it so much...I just thought it was redundant (I think that is the word!) because "these" (or "those") is adequate on its own in a case as you mention..."ones" is not needed to make the point. But...I hear it so much.

I only was asking as I hear it so much these days on TV. For people to just be saying it...it could just be because "where they are from" or slang or something like that..but for it to be scripted in a TV show...someone has to write it and tell them to say it, so I thought maybe I was missing something. I think it is okay to say, just probably redundant as "these" says it by itself...doesn't need "ones" added to it, but no biggie if it is. With all the texting abbreviations going on these days...like they say "OMG" instead of "Oh my gosh" (or another word for gosh!) I was just wondering if I was missing something. People aren't not speaking much these days..it is all texting and slang and all. And true, that one isn't as bad as many other options!

By the way, props from the Queen of the Grammar Nazis for asking that question. Nobody's really interested in proper grammar these days. I'm always glad to answer grammar and spelling questions though. =D

'Ones' is a perfectly correct plural meaning 'individual articles'. If I ask "How much are these?", I am usually asking the price for the whole bunch together (unless they are exactly similar objects, in which case it is usually understood that I am asking about the price each). By using "ones" I am merely emphasising that I am talking about 'this particular collection as opposed to the "others"'. There are certainly times when 'ones' is redundant but then it is functionally incorrect rather than grammatically incorrect!

MischiefFilledMe - I know.. people are so busy texting and abbriviating words these days that they don't know how to speak the language properly anymore. And from what I saw recently with my 12 year old grand daughter and what she was taught in school so far....there isn't much grammer taught in schools these days either! Owlwings... that is how I was looking at it. Having a handful of items and asking the price for only a few of them if you dont want all of them. Functionally vs. grammatically...good way to put it! Hadn't thought about it that way.

Yeah, I think it is just redundant but no big deal. At least they are speaking extra instead of not enough..like with texting...words are partially spelled and often partially spoken! I have just been hearing this so often lately.

No , it would be those in your hands and these in my hands. Think of it this way. Yu use these for the ones that are close to you, like in your own hands. And you use those for the ones that are farther away like in another's hands.

How about "these in your hand are the ones I want"...pointing to just half of all that are in your hand or just the red ones and not the green ones (figuretively speaking, and I know that is spelled wrong, but nothing I do fixes it) I was involved in my 12 year old grand daughters education ... and she hardly ever came home with any english/language homework other than spelling words. I just don't think they teach it much as they used to and plus...with today's texting and abbreviation of words thereof...kids are learning it all wrong. My daughter works for the police department..and is a texting queen...and she told me a bit ago that she was writting up reports one day and after about 5 of them, it suddenly hit her...she was abbreviating words as she does when she texts and didn't even realize it! She had to rewrite all those reports and then from there on...really "force" herself to pay closer attention when she did reports!!

Oh yeah...languages being translated can have those issues...simply cause of the translating. I have heard "couple of three or so" and "a day or three"... those, from what I recollect...come from the western era (in the USA). It just seems that lately I have been hearing that so much.. in person it isn't really an issue as language is not taught so much in schools these days like it was when I went to school, but in watching TV.. it seems to be in the shows/scripts so often.

That's what I was thinking. But I hear "these ones" so often..even on TV which is scripted...they are told to say that. It just made me wonder if I was missing something.