Milk : our friend for life ?

well, even if not ecological - they are there for the people who suffer from problems of altitudes and also they do good for society - The number of people who travel these places is limited - but then their preferences are not. This different preferences means more companies to make bikes for such places which means employment of many more people, earning opportunities for many more and brisk business in the mountains. Bikes for hire - a few years back, we had only bicycles for rent as many foreign tourists were charged too high by the local cabbbies. Now we too have Bikes on rent... And yes they are healthier. You walk less, perspire less, and also feel less tired - so you can enjoy the locale more

It is true that you don't walk, but for perspiring and feeling tired... you should have seen me last month when I came back from my first ride -- I had not had a bike since I was a kid --. I did a few kms along a flat towpath reserved to "green tourism", and I was so tired that I asked myself if it was a good idea to have bought a bike at my old age. A few weeks later I enjoy it, and I do two 20 to 30 kms rides on dirt tracks every week without feeling tired. It has replaced jogging for me now, and the places where I go are more varied -- there are about 30 tours destined to bikes to do around, and I am far to have done all of them : for the moment, I do only the "very easy" and "easy" ones --. I don't know if it will last this winter, but for the moment it is my new way to stay healthy.

Organic food has indeed chemicals in it, but they are "traditional" chemicals, by example organic producers can use sulfur for their fruits and vegetables, but not chemical herbicides. There is a lot of controls on the quality of organic food, the problem is that it needs more human time to be produced, and it is impossible to feed the planet only with organic food. I thought that the milk was something more safe than said in the link : it is possible here to buy milk produced in mountain areas where herbicides have never been used. There is no guarantee that it is organic, but I think it is better than a milk produced intensively elsewhere. I may be wrong. [i]about mithridatization - How about, breathing too much of that natural air then I bought recently a mountain bike to do some rides in the countryside, and I am reading a lot of things about biking actually. I have read that people using a bike in cities -- it is a new fashion here since about 10 years, and many cities are now offering bikes to rent : ecological, respectful of environment, good for the health, etc. -- are breathing twice more carbon monoxide than pedestrians. But they are healthier : a side effect of mithridatization?

It is extremely rare that a baby will have an allergy to the mother's milk but it is not as rare that a baby will have an allergy to milk produced from another animal ... not just cows but goats, sheep, etc. I do know that some babies will have a reaction to things that the mother eats, though, and the mothers sometimes have to change and carefully monitor their dietary consumption while the baby is nursing to avoid an allergic reaction.

You are telling me that if I am allergic to milk it is my mother's fault? Well, it is possible, the medicine has made progress since I am born, and it could have not be seen at this moment. I remember that my mother had a lot of allergies ; I have only a few allergies, but all different from my mother's allergies, so I don't know what to think here.

I would not contest that mother's milk is the best thing you can give to a baby, though I am a living exception : I had an allergy to milk when I was a child, included to my mother's milk, and I was the only one at kindergarten not authorized to have a glass of milk for the 4 o'clock snack. I drink milk today but moderately. I think that there are some good points in this article. After reading several articles like this one, I think that it is difficult to reject all assertions in block. By example, milk is said to bring calcium, but there are more osteoporosis and hip fractures in countries where people are drinking a lot of milk. It is weird, and I would like to see some serious studies started about milk drinking.

Top, we are the only animals that drink it all our lives because we're about the only animals that can get it after our mothers cut us off. I'll bet if you offer a bowl to your cat or dog they won't turn it down. Lottery- permission??? seriously? Show me the line & verse in that heavily edited book that your going by. I'm sure the people of the time were confused as heck when those new canines suddenly poped into their mouths.

LOL, uath, you are good at making enemies. Indeed we are omnivores, but vegans are saying something true here about milk : 1) we are the only animal to drink milk during all our life, and it is recent as 2) we drink other animals milk only since a few thousand years. Alright, we are drinking coca cola since less than this...

topffer may be thousands web pages telling about the side effects of milk but you must be read news in papers and internet about the diet of raslers and athelites. Some companies are suggesting to drink soya milk. Milk is dangerous is propgands of these companies. Some person have allergic to milk but it is rare. Lassi which is made from curd is call Mattha. Lassi is called butter milk. It is remaining part of curd after separating butter from curd.

I was allergic to milk when I was a child, but I drink milk moderately today and I like it. It is very difficult to find raw milk today, and the best way here is to buy it directly to a producer. It has definitely not the same taste than the milk I buy in my supermarket, but I think that raw milk is too fat and that skimmed milk is better for people drinking a lot of it, like oldchem said in the box above yours. I drink it without fear, but I am not sure that there are only nonsense in the link I give and that everything there should be rejected. Like I wrote "there is no smoke without fire", and if you check online you will find thousands of web pages telling that milk is dangerous... and many more telling like you that it is good.

LOL. I have tried various milks, and I would not drink soy milk, though it is good to replace normal milk in cooking. The only milk over than true milk that I like is oat milk. When I was born these artificial milks were not sold, and I have been fed with mixed food due to my allergy.

Hello friend, It is another discussion, but I think that not only milk but a lot of other foods are suffering due to our environment. Well, it is possible to buy organic milk/veggies with less toxic products in them, but they are expensive and they cannot be produced in enough quantity to feed everybody on Earth. Speaking of pasteurization, even if Pasteur was French, I am sure that it is not good for everything. Many cheeses here are made with non pasteurized milk, and a pasteurized version of the same cheese has definitely not the same taste. Intoxication with cheese is so rare that I don't see the interest of pasteurization in this case, and people living in countries where everything is pasteurized don't know what they miss. I know that the taste can evolve, but maybe not in the good way : I was surprised to see the 7 years old son of a couple of friends telling them after a drink of raw milk for the first time that it was not good...

And we were suppose to be milk men(from another discussion),I remember when I was a kid, I had an aunt who worked in our government's bureau of agriculture and animal industries, for a time i lived with her when i was a student together with my grand parents, she did not have a family of her own, she brought home loads of fresh carabao ( water buffalo)milk that was being sold and promoted at her office for a peso for like one big wax coated cup, nobody drunk it in their house except me, tons of it, Carabao fresh cheese is also one of the best, it's being peddled on the streets wrapped in banana leaves and never heard of anybody getting sick from it although it's getting quite scarce now and hard to find. I can't tell my children that milk is not good for them cause it's not i was taught or grew up with but I would only buy brands that I have trusted for years and know where it comes from

Finding fresh raw milk is not easy here, if you don't know a producer. I never had carabao milk or cheese, but I suppose that if it is scarce it is because a carabao does not produce a lot of milk and is not profitable. Traditionally, Italian mozzarella is produced with buffalo milk, but there is not enough buffalo milk and we see more and more mozzarella made with cow milk today ; it has not the same taste and even the same color. We are losing the taste of traditional products. Traditional cheeses are not made with pasteurized milk, but industrial cheeses are, and trying to impose pasteurized milk for cheese is due to the lobbying of the milk industry. The true reason behind is that a cheese made with pasteurized milk can be kept -- and then sold -- longer. It is a matter of money and profit, not of health.

So raw milk -- the "true" thing -- is less good than skimmed milk which does not exist into nature. Why ?

Easy. Babies ( the major consumers of natural milk ) need the higher fat content of milk in order to grow. Adults no longer need that extra fat.

my actual reaction is congestion, but plain milk just turns my stomach and makes me want to throw up

I am also allergic to milk, but it is just the opposite of you : I could not drink milk when I was a baby, and I can drink a cup of milk now without any problem... Have you tried to drink organic milk and is the allergy still present ? Cows are no more eating meat since a few years, but God knows what sort of food they can eat today when the industry breeds them for milk. Personally I buy milk coming from mountain areas : it is not organic, so it does not mean that the cows have not had antibiotics if they needed it, but at least they are supposed to eat a grass growing with no chemical fertilizers...

Hello Ms Hatley, I also think that, as it is from a vegan site, things can have been exaggerated, but I cannot believe that there is not a bit of truth in this article. Personally I am drinking milk times to times, and I will not change my habits after this reading. Two glasses a day is not a lot, I don't see why you would change too at 85 years old. I wish you to stay healthy for a long time.

Hi, myfb, It is a vegan page, so I think like others here than it can be exaggerated. I believe that it is for milk like for everything, it can be dangerous only if you drink too much of it. Being reasonable is the key.

Hello Vick, I am a bit like you : I had a bad allergy to milk when I was a baby, and even if I can drink some milk now, I rarely do. I agree also for what you say about the internet where we can find everything and its contrary... But I disagree about cats and milk, even if I see you are joking. Feeding a cat with milk is not very good as they have also often a problem with the digestion of lactose. It is why there are special milks for cats, for people wanting absolutely to feed their pet cat with something not very good for its health -- milk does not kill cats, but it gives them digestive disorders --. I remember to have also seen powder milk for... baby goats : a goat is an animal difficult to please, and the milk was flavored with vanilla.

I don't drink a lot of milk. I was allergic to milk when I was a child. I have learned to live without it, but I eat cheese, butter and other dairy foods, and I am lucky enough to not have to watch my weight, which has not really changed since I was 15. I have read about a milk only diet to take weight in another box, and I think it is careful to drink skimmed milk because there is too much fat in raw cow milk. But, like you write it, "moderation is the key". Though I am not against a little food excess times to times.

Your image showing how mithridatization works is good, you just forgot to tell that the person trying it is the duck or the frog in the soup. I think that nutritionism is a too young science to be completely credible. I would like to know what was a "balanced diet" at cave age, when our ancestors were not breeding cows and were not drinking milk.

Personally I am not looking for an alternate for milk. I had an allergy to milk when I was a baby and milk has been a forbidden drink for me during years. I drink it moderately today, but I know I can live completely without milk, and I have no health problem. The vegan argument saying that we are the only animal in nature drinking milking during all our life, and this only since a few thousands years, is not bad to show that only babies need really milk. There are some alternate milks -- soy, rice, oat, almond milk, etc -- : their main use is for cooking, and they are not so good to drink than real milk.