Do we still need to address Gloria Macapagal Arroyo as President?

Kabayan Noli...

because he WAS the vice president... now he is no longer in that office...

We can call Kabayan Noli as Kabayan Noli informally but if its formal introduction then we must call him vice president as he once serve. Or former vice president. But you can't remove the title because its the title that we are showing respect and the person not the person only.

Same thing... same tense... she WAS the president...

But for me she don't even deserve to be called former president since its now proven that FPJ won the election. She may served as president that she is not deserve to be in the first place. I mean how can you differentiate the cheating president and the other former president who won the election squarely? Because for me if you call her former president then we recognize her still as the president who won the election and not the president who cheated.

I'm not taking about the right of citizen but the norms. As the comelec already say its FPJ who won the election. So in short GMA is not an elected president. Just look at the case of Zubiri. He serve senate for three years and yet he has been removed because its proven by comelec that its pimentel who won the 12th senate position and that's why pimentel take over the remaining term of zubiri. But in case of GMA comelec proclaim that its FPG win the election problem is that the term is already been finish by GMA when its been proclaim. .. In time of Erap. GMA is only "acting" president. She is voted as Vice president and not President. That's why she run again as president in the next election.

But she swore the oath of office at EDSA. Whether she is acting president or any kind of president, people knew and still know her as the president. Other countries recognized her as the president of the country (which is often the big deal). She was treated as such (like Zubiri was treated as a senator until he resigned). In addition, she exercised the powers of that office when she was there. She might to have gotten the office without an election (EDSA) but technically, she is a president when the EDSA happened. The same thing happened when she was proclaimed and was sworn in. What made the title is when she was sworn in. It is like the payment thing – transaction is not complete until you pay. When you do pay, it is official. Or you are not an official graduate until you receive your diploma. It is kinda technical but that is the reason why we have the terms. For example, when Noynoy won, he was s declared president-elect because he was president in line since there was still someone who is officially the president. If that president goes and he was sworn in officially, the he is now a fully-fledged president and he can do what the job entails. It was official back then. We did know that there are electoral issues back then but we not able to discern whether they were true or not. Now is the only time that we are finally uncovering these things. But the time now is way back from the years she also occupied the office. If you want to treat her as an acting president, you can do so. It’s your right. I am saying that it is your right because it is. Your right to freedom of expression guarantees that what you stated will be protected and your beliefs are also treated the same. If you are talking about title norms, that is often shaped by people’s opinion (which roots form your right to freedom of expression). If you voice out an opinion, people might take action and reverse traditional norms.

It's seems you don't understand what my thread is all about. Yeah. She take an oath back then. And recognize by many countries and elite but does it make it right? For example. theirs a person who speak so loud in our neighborhood that when he speaks you can hear his voice a kilometer away and I was so annoyed and I kill him. And when the police come no one speak because they also get irritated because of his voice. Does it mean by killing him its justified? simply because every body agree with me? Same thing what happen in edsa. How many vote for erap? how many went to edsa? And why their is edsa II in the first place? Because the envelope was not open? And when the envelope was years later its turn out to have a worthless? Taking an oath does not mean what GMA did is right. But again. My thread is not about GMA serving as president. If you read my thread again its about the title of GMA as president. Now that comelec say that its FPJ who won the election and not GMA do we need to recognize FPJ as the winner and proclaim as the right winner? and or remove the title of GMA as president or former president? Since she did not won the presidency? This is what my thread is all about.

lols. I guess that's right. And I hope those congress allies of GMA will also have days in court to prove that they did nothing wrong. But since theirs just too many cases now against GMA I don't know if she will be convicted before the end of President Pnoy term.

they are all thirsty for power and would do anything to gain the position so they can be wealthy and abuse their power.

That's true. what is written can't be undone. But same time we can correct things now by declaring officially that FPJ did win the election not just an announcement from comelec the FPJ has won then just forget about it since theirs nothing we can do about it.