You can't get a job unless you have a job

@dawnald (85146)
Shingle Springs, California
July 25, 2012 11:30pm CST
I'd love to take some time off here, but I'm reading that it is almost impossible to get a job when you've been out of work for a while. I'm reading that companies won't even talk to you, and if they do talk to you, they often have policies not to hire people who've been out of work for a long period. Talk about a vicious circle. Lose your job, have trouble finding one, never get one again. Do we need another anti-discrimination law? (puts on flak jacket)
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@celticeagle (168126)
• Boise, Idaho
26 Jul 12
That sounds absurd. Ofcourse I have never been out of a job for long. I was lucky that way. Vicious cycle to be sure. I think it does give us reason to put forth more effort and get used to the grind of looking again. Horrid as it is it is about out ownly chance.
@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
27 Jul 12
My friend got it straight from a friend in HR at one company.
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@celticeagle (168126)
• Boise, Idaho
28 Jul 12
Maybe they feel they will have to train them more.
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
20 Aug 12
This person had a really good resume, but maybe they felt her skills were too rusty or something.
@sid556 (30959)
• United States
26 Jul 12
I've heard that from a couple of other people. To me, it makes no sense at all and especially these days when jobs are so hard to come by. I'd be interested in knowing the reasoning behind such a policy.
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@sid556 (30959)
• United States
29 Jul 12
I'm sure thats true but it isn't logical with the way the job market is these days. There used to be a spot on applications where you could explain why you were out of work. While not wanting to work or otherwise being not a good catch for an employer are reasons why some people are unemployed for extensive periods of time, there are many , many other valid reasons. Seems to me that they are overlooking a lot of potentially good employees with that thinking.
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
27 Jul 12
I'm sure there's some assumption that the person doesn't want to work or that there's some major problem that the employer doesn't want to deal with.
• United States
26 Jul 12
Yes! But like All the problems we have these days it will Never happen. What people don't get is that we will Never have enough money for the govrnment Why? People are out of work, they can't pay taxes , so the government loses money. But they are too busy blaming the other side for the problems. So instead of setting it up so the unemployed Can get jobs And then have money to pay taxes , they do nothing. But it is ok. The money the rich save in taxes they will Have to use for the gates and the remote houses they will need when there are more poor than middle class people around. Sorry I ranted. I see it getting worse Way before it Ever gets better.
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
27 Jul 12
Yeah probably...
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@lynboobsy11 (11343)
• Philippines
26 Jul 12
I think we need that one here, age discrimination is so high here in my country. Even you have enough working experience it is impossible when you reach the age of 40 to have a full time job, unless a friend owns the company.
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
27 Jul 12
It's more like 50 here...
@alberello (4752)
• Italy
26 Jul 12
Well, dear friend, also I'm unemployed. And on my employment card, shows that I never did even one day of work in order from year 2006! It sounds incredible, it's true! In today's day in Italy, as indeed a little all over the world, finding a steady job has become a very difficult undertaking. I then also entered the lists as a special disabled person, but live at home with father and mother, often in the lists of the calls end up taking positions like 170th! Although I still turned out a long-term unemployed. I still hope that in a not too distant future has stabilized a little on the world economic system. After all, the work is a right!
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
20 Aug 12
It's not a right in this country....
@fencer07 (98)
27 Jul 12
As someone who is currently looking for a job, I have not heard that before. I think that as long as you maintain contact with the network of people in your industry, you should be able to get a job eventually. Especially if you work in an industry that is constantly changing, it is beneficial for you to keep up to date on what is going on in the field during your time off because you would not seem less knowledgeable to prospective employers than other job applicants during your interviews. I honestly think that you might not get the job you want if you have been out of work for an extended period of time, but that does not mean you won't get a job at all. People are often bitter when they do not get what they want, and I think the situation you describe is more of an unemployed person's excuse for not getting hired than it is a company practice or policy.
@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
20 Aug 12
I've done a lot of reading on it and it does appear to be a practice for many companies.
@Thoroughrob (11742)
• United States
26 Jul 12
I have heard that. It is crazy, but true. I am not sure what the answer is, but I hate to say that we need the government to step in again. They are in way to far already.
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
27 Jul 12
Unless the government requires a call back on every job application, what can they possibly do?
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
31 Jul 12
Lie. Get someone you know and trust to be a referee for you and say you are in partnership or something...you will know what to make up. Be a boy scout. Be prepared.
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
20 Aug 12
• United States
19 Aug 12
yea,they do. having to have a job to get a job is bull. it's funny..back in the day,if i had 2 jobs,one or the other employer would get pissy about it,and demand i make their job "first" (whoever pays the most is first,dude).. while we're at it,the also need to stop them from doing credit checks for condition of employment,demanding you have a car (what's wrong with a bus?),and asking for social media access (ain't gonna happen with mine)..
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
20 Aug 12
Maybe we need one but how would the enforce it?
@carmelanirel (20942)
• United States
26 Jul 12
Or here is one...It doesn't matter that one has not had a full time job, but did volunteer work so she can raise her children. Instead of getting a job when I had my older children, I did volunteer work and I worked hard and have lots of reputable references, but since I was not in the "job market" no one will even give me an interview.. So I am beginning to wonder if I am wasting my time on this degree, if I can't get a job with my experience, then a degree isn't going to do much..
• United States
20 Aug 12
That makes sense, though I did raise three children, and still raising my last, have babysat in the past, have taught my children "before" they started school, so they knew a lot more than the average student, I have done some babysitting plus I ran a dance team ages from 5-adult....Now, that isn't enough to be a para-professional? A job that requires helping children to learn? I mean sure if I had a car I would have gone to the school to volunteer, but unless I have money coming in for gas, I can't do that..:(
@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
20 Aug 12
I was reading that the volunteer work has to be in the same career as the one you are applying for.
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• United States
26 Jul 12
In many cases, that is true. That doesn't just apply to being truly unemployed, though. Even if you are working as a freelancer or running a home-based business, many companies will view that the same way that they do being unemployed. Given how widespread the practice of giving the unemployed the brush-off is, it does seem that we need another anti-discrimination law. However, like the ones that we already have, it would likely be difficult to enforce.
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
27 Jul 12
The government would probably have to literally go over every application, and say "this person qualifies, call them"...
@squallming (1775)
• Malaysia
26 Jul 12
Nowadays, working experience is one of the turning point that enployer looks at. when you are out of the job market for some time, employer thinks that you are not capable to work or adapt to the current requirement. Furthermore, they would wonder why have you not been working for all these years. If you are competent and determined, logically you would not let yourself jobless for too long. Those are some of the things to be considered. Anyway, there are still many organizations hiring entry level workers. It should not be a problem if you keep looking. If they still require experience, then you have to find a way to prove to them that you are someone special.
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
27 Jul 12
Let's see: 1. You had kidney damage, and needed to take time off to have a transplant 2. Your parent was dying and you took time off to care for them 3. You had children and took time off to raise them Now you're looking for a job, and no employer will even talk to you and even give you a chance to explain. Is that right?
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@riempie9 (1021)
• South Africa
26 Jul 12
The thing to do is not to read these negative reports as they stay hidden in the mind and surface when you least need. Anyone can find work. You and I do through writing. It is not easy to find the right and best sites all the time but it is all a learning experience. When I first started writing articles I was excited when I made a few cents. Now I aim for paid article writing and in three or four days made fifty bucks. Hard work though. A hard thought-out informational article was rejected by iWriter for not saying he or she. I don't gripe. I move on.
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
27 Jul 12
I'm just reporting what I've read and what people have told me. That isn't stopping me from looking for a job.
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@kulisap (70)
28 Jul 12
I think its because they don't want to use up resources just to fully train new people, this may also be the reason why companies want people with relevant experience(s) on a certain job post. It's mean and it's not right but that's how it goes nowadays.
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
20 Aug 12
It's true, if they can get somebody they don't have to train, they will be much happier.
@ajithlal (14716)
• India
28 Jul 12
I think most probably the experience that counts on the jobs. I think here the companies give jobs for experience. I think most people in our place try to work in the job as trainees and try to get some good experiences and then try to get into the job with good pays. I think they should hire people who does not have experience and also people who have been out of work so that everyone can live a good earning.
@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
20 Aug 12
My friend had exactly the experience they were looking for, but had been out of a job for several years, and was told they couldn't hire her, company policy.
@jillhill (37354)
• United States
26 Jul 12
I have heard this from other people...bummer. Maybe another law would work....who knows....alot of them don't....unfortunately!
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
20 Aug 12
most would find a way around it, no doubt
@mayka123 (16604)
• India
26 Jul 12
I was caught in this vicious circle at one time. So then I took the first job that I got an offer for even though it was something I did not like. But it helped me get another better job and from there a still better one till my present job where I am very happy now.
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
20 Aug 12
Probably a wise choice, especially in this lousy economy.
@mentalward (14690)
• United States
26 Jul 12
Yeah, it's like when you try to get credit, you can't get it unless you can show that you DON'T need it. Anti-discrimination laws don't work. Just ask all the people my age who were let go from the last place I worked (most likely so the company wouldn't have to pay them retirement) who have been unable to find work. I've even tried to find something part time but, of course, they ALWAYS find someone younger who is "better suited" for the job. The companies just make up some reason why they hire someone younger and get around that discrimination issue. Unfortunately, it's an employer's market out there right now. They can pick and choose who they want and make up any reason they want. Sorry, I don't mean to sound depressing but it IS a depressing situation. I sure do hope you find something that you absolutely love and will keep my fingers crossed for ya!
@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
20 Aug 12
Thanks...
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
28 Jul 12
I've always heard that it is more difficult for a person that has elected to be out of work for a period of time (myself for example electing to spend the last six years at home while I was raising my very young children.) However, I've heard that for people that are out of work for circumstances that are not their own choice, it tends to be a little bit easier for those people to find another job. Take a few weeks for yourself and then start looking for a new job, I don't think that it would be that big of an issue, but be sure to keep it at less than a year.
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
20 Aug 12
If you're laid off, people will consider you right afterward, but a year later? Not so much...
• China
28 Jul 12
It gets me all muddled up."You can't get a job unless you have a job."If I can understand it means that people who are out of work are out of work forever.But then why do those who have a job look for works again? Whether Job-hopping or not?
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
20 Aug 12
Job hopping, better conditions, better pay, etc.