The cake instead of bread remark

I see your point. There will always be lazy people and I have no idea how to deal with them without hurting the others. However, it is not good to go from the particular to the general. It happens all the time in my country where everyone who is out of work or on welfare are accused of being cheats just because some are. I grew up in a middle class family but I have been poor most of my adult life. Not poor by Indian standards but poor by Western standards. I suppose it is partly because I made wrong choices, not wrong for me but wrong for making money. Such is life. I have never had any desire to be rich just financially secure. The problem between workers and employers will always exist as long as there are greedy people. I decided early on never to work for a small employer because I saw so many being unfair to their workers. They needed people to work for them to make money but they hated paying the wages and wanted to keep all the money for themselves. I have also seen larger employers using tools to keep wages low despite using people to make money. If wealth was not such a big thing and people believed in looking after all of society rather than just themselves then it might be possible for employers and employees to work together to build a business. Unfortunately the Western world is focused on individual wealth by keeping the workforce as poor as they can get away with. I also think that life is more important than making money and have no interest in devoting my life to work. I tried that and now I am ill. Although I cannot prove the long hours and no social life contributed to my illness, chronic fatigue syndrome, I firmly believe it did. it is the cult of the individual that is destroying families and society, people are too selfish but maybe because we are socialised to be so.

I'd say two out of ten women work here, even if you ignore the truly helpless ones like my maid. Within my family, I know that most of my cousins have not worked. They have been housewives, irrespective of the fact whether they were younger or older. And while I am fine with richer cousins not working, I am not fine with poorer ones not working, especially if they sit in front of television or gossip with other friends and relatives, while borrowing from the same people about whom they have bad opinions..lol If they have to borrow, they might as well work. My policy. Yes, unfortunately, I have been through that drill myself. Low wages, working 18 to 20 hours. I have been lucky my health didnt give way as badly as yours. I dont feel fatigued, but yes, lazy. And more than that, fear and nervousness for working. And it has affected my social skills in an indirect way. But I am not complaining because in retrospect, I think I have been saved from a bunch of cheats and liars..lol. I cant be comfortable seeking social approval of people who have no claims to the word good, caring, and human..come on..lol So effectively no loss. Not rich, but not poor either. Just enough, and hope it will be enough for the rest of my life too. :)

I am fine with ultra wealthy sharra. To an extent poor are often lazy, though not always. Ultra wealthy also get bored of earning so much because they do realize they cant do much with all that money and have no more goals to achieve. There are a few bizarre habits of course which seem strange considering that they used their brains all the way to get to where they are. But ignoring those, they do employ people. In contemporary context, are we isolating or looking down upon any group economic or otherwise that can revolt to the same level, and has several such smaller things that you have cited weighing on their minds? Remember, the peasants were poor and uneducated. This class that we look down upon also has to be poor and uneducated.

and do you believe that these Dharnas or whatevers are for the good of the Country? I am shocked if not surprised... these are all political gimmicks dear and nothing in true contentions for the country... And revolutions... it has been a hush hush word in India since the Non Violence and we will NEVER have any Revolution in India as long as we are alive.

Hello my friend thesids & vandana7 Ji, Indian soil is not the only soil, where revolutions have taken places. In real term, if children do not follow their parents, there is a revolt in the family and in broader sense, it crosses family and enlarges it's area. Mr thesids, as I viewed few seconds back about our Father of the Nation, truth comes out late than untruth, we Indians have lot of patience. Our cultutre does not permit to do and stand against our own Kins and Kith, though Bhagwat Gita describes differently and corrcetly. Lord Krishna has to take re-birth to expalin again and again. May God bless You and have a great

MGB..when people start enjoying others plight, and helplessness, it can happen. thesids, I am afraid yes. We all can. The only thing is, we need to pick our battles wisely.

So you do think that there was enough water under the bridge and if not that remark, it would have been something else? :) I too feel the same way. :) But how did the rich class get accustomed to ridiculing the peasant class in day to day lives? After all, that sentence is undeniably something that is meant to ridicule. Perhaps when the conversations reach a level when lower classes are treated too low and ridiculed and ill-treated regularly, it is the first indication that there will soon be a time of reckoning. Professorji..yes, perhaps. Even Nazis felt they were in someway superior to the rest, right? And the trend has some similarities.

Namaskar sir I wish the rule applied to present day India too... we do need some positive changes here too

@the sids..:) Long way to go before we rest I guess..lol Things are not that bad in India in present day..especially because we had a real bad to compare it with.

If that was so, could they have been that organized to execute so many of the nobility? Or did you think that they were not really organized, they just reacted to the situation.

I guess they just reacted to the situation instantly.

@Rambansal ji, in India, it is the middle class that would be joining forces and revolting I suppose..lol @thesids..Sepoy mutiny was a different thing. It was actually something against both Hindu and Muslim religion. I have to agree about what you said about non-violence.

Now I must try to find out which revolutions did we actually had... sepoy mutiny? This is the closest that I can find... And after that... it was all the Gandhian Non Violence... and that made us lazy and uncaring for everyone who gave up his/her life for the Indian Independence... we even didnt dare to call this non-violence way to freedom as war of independence...

@Vandana, The middle class is too busy to move to the top class by all possible means - right or wrong, hence can't revolt. It is this class that suffers the exploitation maximum in search for health, education and justice, but still keep on struggling for getting rich quickly.

Well the aristocrats and royal families in France collected too much of tax, in the process peasants reached a stage where they could no longer make their two ends meet. So when Queen Marie Antoinette of France was told that peasants do not have enough to buy bread, she said let them eat cake. Which kind of triggered anger..animosity and a revolution in which most of French Aristocrats were brutally beheaded in public while peasants enjoyed it as a show. Charles Dickens' The Tale of Two Cities somewhat describes that period.

Thanks! I read the book years ago but I forgot about the let them eat cake! Yep! Off with her head!

Me too. But the kind of person I am, I would like to see no repetition of French Revolution, and the genocide that Nazis unleashed. :) So I spend time thinking what could have been done at what time to prevent such things escalating to that level. And I review them in contemporary context.

Yes..I am very much here..:)