Violent Islam?

Did not see you talking about massacres that occur Muslims in Burma, China and other countries, and just an isolated incident happened to the Buddhists of the Muslims effect in you (although I'm not with who did it, it is not Islam that commit aggression on others, even though they are begun offended do not know what's that they offered on the Facebook .. what you how you judge .. Are Muslims who massacred and burned their homes not from humans too?

Massacre of Muslims in Burma???? You must have read too much into the propaganda messages of Muslim militant's website recently, that explain why you are full of rage and sound brainless. I fully understand that your muslim leader/government is no doubt the greatest manipulator of your mind, you should find out the truth before jump to conclusion like a kook aiming at everyone for an untold story.

I would hesitate to call what's happening in Arakan State a massacre, it's more like a war which the "Rohingya" themselves started and escalated, but if Muslims are being killed elsewhere in Burma, it is massacre. The Burmese ethnic minority groups' line on this, and Aung San Suu Kyi's, too, is that "Rohingya" who've been in Burma, particularly Arakan and Chin States, for more than a generation, should be awarded Burmese citizenship, but those who've poured in across the border to prosecute the war against the Arakans must be driven out of the country. This is different from the government line that no "Rohingya" should be allowed to live in Burma.

True but it's hard to stretch their neck out on this, if you get my drift..

In my opinion, I don't think there will be enough good ones amongst them especially when they want to take things personally and upon themselves. When the line is not drawn I don't think any good will ever come out of it. I believe there are good ones but like you had posted, when they do not do what is right and come out to go against the radicals then these violent atrocities will still happen. And, when they do not do what is right, then aren't they (good Muslims) wrong as well? Aren't they deemed to be standing on the side of the radicals? Now, can the majority be blamed for generalizing the Muslims?

every time a Muslim says that the Judeo-Christian and Christian Scriptures have been superseded by the Koran, it's also an act of hate. JohnRok1, I am totally with you if you are suggesting people should completely stop from talking about religion. There is a difference between discussing and making a movie filled with hate, get over it.

Naseem, are you calling just saying what you believe about a particular religion an act of hate? In that case, every time a Muslim says that the Judeo-Christian and Christian Scriptures have been superseded by the Koran, it's also an act of hate. Nevertheless, I'm glad your comment is there, because it shows what people are up against.

I think you've only got part of it right where you said that punishment should be for the ones responsible for the crime. But, I don't think there was any arrest of the Muslim arsonists in this terror episode. However, I believe ALL Muslims need to realize that they have to do something to their extreme factions amongst them. Not doing anything to them will just make the Muslims look supportive like accomplices to the crimes or most of all, terrorism. So, I don't think people especially non-Muslims could be blamed for not understanding and generalizing.

I wonder if the Muslims denial that they have radicals and extremists has a hidden heinous agenda like doing the "dirty" works against non Muslims, something like the "secret police". I cannot help thinking this way because of these radicals prevalence within their religious circle right until now. Looking at the Taliban, Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Mujaheddin and many more in the various countries like Syria, Pakistan, Iran, Palestine and etc.. So, I don't think it is reasonable for them (Muslims) to expect us to understand at the end of the destruction that it is the radicals or extremists that are responsible. Sorry, if they do not do anything on these heinous groups then they are equally responsible like accomplices to the crime.

You are partly right about the anti-Islam movie maker being a committed felon and still serving his sentence at the time of the movie production. However, I do not think the response in violence is justifiable for such a movie and the alleged picture in this Bangladesh episode. I mean, if it is a false representation, then why take it so hard and personal? Are the Muslims saying that there's no other way to respond to such misrepresentation other than the use of brutal and violent force? If so, then non-Muslims should not be blamed for looking at Muslims differently and say that Islam is violent.

Artemeis, I don't think you've grasped the full implications. The person who made the film was in cahoots with a criminal radical Islamist. The very making of the film was almost certainly part of an agenda, not so much to stir up violence as to provide a pretext for violence, which a group of violent leaders were (and still are) itching to unleash and escalate. Koranic Islam is violent towards non-Muslims, but I think there is one group of non-Muslims that are, according to the Koran, supposed to be protected, and that is the dhimmis who have agreed to pay the Dhimmi Tax. However, in practice they are vulnerable to things like false accusations of blasphemy, because their word counts for less in a Sharia court than that of a Muslim (I would use inverted commas if the relevant word were "Christian", but a Muslim remains a Muslim even when they have no real fear of Allah) who may be wanting them out of the way for other reasons, e.g., to get their property. Samar, you seem to be the expert spokesperson for Islam here - please show if and where I am being unfair.

JohnRok1 , Who has done the film knows what to do before he does and knows its consequences, however he made it , his aim was stirring strife in Egypt between Muslims and Christians but thankfully it was not up to his wicked and God saved us from strife Always accused by the West of Islam as a religion of violence and Islam is innocent of this, what was Islam must Advocate for war or attacks on others, says God Almighty : " If they incline to peace, incline to it also, and put your trust in Allah. Surely, He is the HearinWhat is the Bible said? "When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it. And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee. And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it: And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee. Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations. But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:). Deuteronomy 20 10:16 For Dhimmis understand the people of the Book of non-Muslims .. The first to impose the tribute is the Bible: (did not drive out the Canaanites living in Gezer. Canaanites dwelt among Ephraim to this day, and they were slaves under tribute ..) Joshua 16/10 And when they were come, they say unto him, Master, we know that thou art true, and carest for no man: for thou regardest not the person of men, but teachest the way of God in truth: Is it lawful to give tribute to Caesar, or not? " "And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him. " Mk 12/14, 17. And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute? Capernaum Mark 9:33 He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers? custom Matt 22:21, Rom 13:7 Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free. Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee. But that Christ has paid tribute to the Gentiles in Matthew 17/24 - 27: (As they came to Capernaum progress who take Darhmin to Peter and said: As reimburse your teacher Darhmin?, Said: Yes. When he entered the house preceded Jesus, saying: Why do you think, Simon? Who takes kings of the earth collection or tribute, security sons or from foreigners?, Peter said to him: foreigners. Jesus said to him: If boys are free, but lest Nosarham, go to sea and take a hook, and the fish that looked first take it, and when it opened its mouth find of Astara, thigh and Give Me and you ...)Matthew 17/24 - 27. Tribute was imposed on able and is not able to reverse the tribute in Islam. Tribute imposed the first Islamic state on capable free men and who can fight and was to protect and provide security to him because the Muslim army did not fight in it only Muslims. The poor did not impose on them, but they acted their salaries from Baitulmal Muslims Even Abu Obeida Amer bin Elgarah , returned the money tribute to the people of Syria because the Muslim army in this battle is not able to protect dhimmis , so he gave them their money because this was a covenant between Muslims and dhimmis were equipped army to fight the Muslims. John if you want to know some information about Islam Take from its sources and not from people who raise suspicions about Islam, so be fair in thy judgments if you really do not want to be unfair, know I'm not an expert in my knowledge of Islam, what I know about Islam is hardly a drop in the ocean sciences Islamic. Here these links: http://www.e-quran.com/language/index.html http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/ http://rasoulallah.net/index.php/en/home http://www.quran-m.com/firas/en1/

So what if they don't know about islam isn't your job to spread the real vision of your religion rather than telling me that its all western media propaganda. Fox is a bit worse by the wayfor reporting some thing like this. you want to prove it's not violent then show to non muslims that it's not violent and not tell us that we don't know. better yet, better show a link that really tells the topic starter about islam. or like saying " I understand your rage, but this isn't how islam works, let me show you or give you a link about our religion" at least.. like that...

I don't think there's anything wrong with taking the Western media as reference lest you have your own opinion that it is. Besides, the violent rebuts are anything else but true. It is also true that due to this anti-Islam movie Muslim workers at the US embassy in Benghazi actually left their posts before the fatal attack which led to the fateful killings of Chris Steven and his American workers. Knowing that there will be an attack on the embassy grounds the good Muslims working in the embassy DID NOT do what was necessary and acted honorably. What do you read in your village? I am sure my source of information is not strictly from western media especially when it is being published out on every national television news network and newspaper.

artemeis "What do you read in your village? " I'm not in village , I'm in town , do you think that I was happy to read about what happenedd in Benghazi ? of course not ? the Western media heat Islam and publish everything that distorts the image of Islam and Muslims .Few are characterized by honesty and convey the true image of Islam .

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It is not correct to say the church bells were made silent by Muslims. The bells are not made silent but the volume has been reduced from 70-80 decibel to 55 decibel because some residents thought the sound is too high. http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/some-residents-say-a-church's-bells-are-too-loud As for call from prayer from the Mosque, in the early 1980s the mosque obtained a court order permitting it to broadcast the call to prayer using loudspeakers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dearborn_Mosque

If receiving people as refugees to your country is perceived as automatically giving them the right to continue their activities and/or impact your culture or way of life, other than by your paying the cost of extending compassion to them, it could be a deterrent to accepting any more refugees.