How can you think Biden won the debate?

@laglen (19759)
United States
October 15, 2012 10:52am CST
This posting is based solely on how rude he was. He should be setting an example, setting the tone... Biden, who was constantly smiling, laughing and interrupting his opponent http://www.theblaze.com/stories/unprecedented-watch-joe-biden-interrupt-paul-ryan-85-times-during-debate/ 85 times, he interrupted Congressman Ryan. Here is the example that we set for our kids, for our society. Yep we really need four more years of this crap!
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@matersfish (6306)
• United States
15 Oct 12
I don't know the standard for "winning" anything politically. That even stands for an election. With so many different ways to steal votes, I'm not sure what it means to "win" anything in politics. I just know that I couldn't watch the debate. Not that I dislike either of the guys, at least to the point where I dislike one more than the other per se. But when I wanted to hear what their answers were to questions, it was either Biden giving shout-outs to Obama, or Biden laughing and interrupting Ryan. Judging from the attitude partisans carry--and I'm certainly including right-wing partisans in here--I think it's a "win" when you belittle your opponent. Take the unabashed lefties that roam myLot as an example and look at their tone of speech when "debating" politics. It becomes clear that yelling over someone and insulting someone and calling their spin lies while claiming their spin is truth is how things are done. It's a nasty, bitter world over there. I can't say it's much better on the other side, but I've never seen the pure phoniness the left exudes from its every collective pore. Tolerance and kindness and fairness is what's claimed, but rudeness and anger and bitterness are what's puts forth. Biden wears that coat very well. If I were a hardcore lefty, my opinion would be that Biden clearly won. He consistently spoke over Ryan and pushed him around. That's the leftist way. That's what people wanted from Obama. Do it by whatever means necessary, because we're right and we're just and we're intelligent and they're just bigots and warmongers and greed personified. So we can shout and yell and laugh and push and punch and bite and bash because we have the moral high ground by default. We're revolutionist soldiers; they're yesterday's evil that needs to be snuffed out. And blah yada. To those hardcore folk, Biden was simply telling the truth and not allowing Ryan to lie. But that's part of yourself you sacrifice when forfeiting ownership of your soul to surf the populous wave on a taxpayer-funded belly board. Government-mandated safety straps to boot.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
16 Oct 12
You make good points. I guess as a real person, I don't care for it and I was not fooled. He had nothing of substance to say so he just showed what an a55 he is.
• United States
16 Oct 12
Shouldn't we set an example of being honest? Paul Ryan has had A LOT of problems being honest. Especially this week when he LIED to a crowd in Ohio, saying that Mitt Romney will bring jobs back from China. If Romney wanted to "bring those jobs back" he wouldn't be financing a company that is in the process of sending them over seas. How honest was Ryan about his marathon time? How about the house insider trading bill? You consider Biden rude, I call that worked up, he is like many Americans: Upset that Ryan, and Romney are going around this country bold face LYING to the American people. I was happy to see Biden go after Ryan, someone needs to set these two straight, and Biden did just that. I hope that Obama does the same tonight. This country rejected these same policies four years ago, and we will reject them again in November!!!
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
17 Oct 12
debater - in case you missed it, all four men have been busted stretching the truth. Why not mention that? Biden lied as well. But I guess if you can say it louder, then it is true?
@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
16 Oct 12
So, you hope that one candidate talks over the other and doesn't allow them to speak? You sound like the Chris Matthews impersonator in the Saturday Night Live skit: "“He forgot the first rule of debating: always be interrupting. When I don’t have points to make on my show, I make up one by screaming at people. That’s how you win a debate.” Obviously Biden took that argument to heart cause he spent the evening interrupting and preventing Ryan from speaking. You know it's wrong but it's okay with you because your side did it. That's really troubling. Situational ethics aren't really ethics at all, you know.
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• United States
18 Oct 12
Rollo, Biden was just like me when someone lies to my face. Someone needs to stand up to all of the lies coming out of the Romney campaign, and Biden did. I wonder if Bain bought a fact checking company before this election, because Romney is putting all of them to work.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
15 Oct 12
How can anyone not KNOW Vice President absolutely won the debate??? You have to admit, it's nearly impossible for any Democratic candidate to know how they can satisfy the right; I mean, President Obama was totally passive and literally allowed Mitt to walk all over him and tell all the lies he could get away with so he lost but now V.P. Biden does the opposite and HE'S accused of being "rude". Sure, he could have just "politely" sat there and allowed Lyin' Ryan to tell more stories and make more unspecific and impossible promises but he didn't and I say THANK GOODNESS for that! As for Obama's frowning and Biden's smiling, what should they do? Where should they be looking while their opponent is speaking? I realize it's just me and I may be biased but I really don't find it preferable to look at the sick pup look Romney always has on his face as he stares at his opponent during every debate I've seen him in. Annie
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
16 Oct 12
Annie, Rollo and Taskr responded much as I would have. Rudeness is never called for. He was just plain rude. He didn't have anything of substance to say so therefore I guess he figure condescension would be better?
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
16 Oct 12
"How can anyone not KNOW Vice President absolutely won the debate???" Well polls show that he didn't, so that's pretty simple. The debates aren't about satisfying the opposition. I'm sure you weren't "satisfied" with the way Romney destroyed Obama in the first debate. That said, I think you're still willing to acknowledge Romney won as even people like Chris Matthews and Rachel Maddow admitted it while trying to make excuses for Obama's pathetic performance. Did Romney keep interrupting Obama? No, he just responded and made his points better than Obama. Sure, both of them told plenty of lies, but Romney delivered his lies much better than Obama who seemed half asleep. Annie, do you really think laughing, mocking, and interrupting an opponent makes someone the winner of a debate? I know you believe Obama won all 3 debates in 2008. Did he do any of what Biden did? Of course not. Those were just 3 extremely boring debates and most people found Obama slightly less boring than McCain.
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@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
15 Oct 12
Yeah, well I think that during a debate when the moderator tells you that the rules allow each candidate two minutes to answer the question, then you have to give the other candidate his two minutes, too. Even if you're the Vice President. But like most of the lefties, you absolutely have no problem with shutting down freedom of speech if you don't agree with it. No problem whatsoever with keeping anyone from hearing the other side, while complaining that the other side won't say what their plans are. No problem with tactics that are childish, boorish and Bidenish. Sorry, most Americans who managed not to turn off Biden's maniacal hyperactive Cheshire cat impression and watched the whole debate, thought that Ryan won. Or at least, they kinda wished they could have heard him finish a sentence.
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@jillhill (37354)
• United States
15 Oct 12
He was and I wanted to wipe that smirk off his face. You are right....how can they say Biden won.....he is an egotistical rude person!
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
16 Oct 12
Amen sister! he showed what he is made of
@laglen (19759)
• United States
16 Oct 12
Amen sister! he showed what he is made of
@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
15 Oct 12
He won only if the goal was to be able to keep saying "Ryan and Romney won't tell us their plans". As Ryan started to speak and make sense, Biden interrupted with laughter and gestures and condescending remarks, thus preventing Ryan from ever making a point. Only the die-hards are calling it a Biden win. The polls say the public really, really hated Biden's antics.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
16 Oct 12
Good point both of you. Biden's rudeness prevented Ryan from making his points. I think it is obvious that they didnt get anywhere with the swing voters.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
16 Oct 12
Honestly, winning wasn't even the goal. Winning the VP debate is pretty meaningless. The goal was simply not to be destroyed the way Obama was. His rudeness didn't win him the debate, but interrupting Ryan repeatedly kept Ryan from doing to him what Romney did to Obama. He was playing to the base, who approves of people being rude and obnoxious. They knew that kind of behavior wasn't going to win swing voters, they just didn't want their base to give up on them after Obama got crushed.
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@sirnose (2436)
• United States
15 Oct 12
This is how I see the Biden/Ryan debate the more seasoned politician was the clear winner, it was Joe Biden. Just as Gov. Mitt Romney out debated Pres. Obama because Biden/Romney are old school politicians that knows how to say what people wants to hear and Obama and Ryan are just rookies debaters. It is obvious that the older men did better than their younger counterparts. I didn't see Biden coming off as rude I seen a VP during what his boss couldn't do, take it to his opponent. Mr. Biden did what he had to do show that the Romney/Ryan ticket have no better answers to what ail this country nor for that matter what ails this world.
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• United States
15 Oct 12
I found it sad that the President couldn't hold his own and they had to depend on Biden to swoop in and save the day.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
16 Oct 12
I dont see how 85 interruptions in 90 minutes isn't rude. I do understand your point about the older/seasoned politicians. But I do not see this as a win for the Obama/Biden ticket.
@sirnose (2436)
• United States
16 Oct 12
OpinionatedLady I agree with your observation that VP Biden had to save the day. At least Biden shows that he is a strong leader and knows what going on behind the scenes. I hope that Pres. Obama shows more backbone tonite because his performance will determine if I vote for him or not.
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@oneidmnster (1384)
• United States
16 Oct 12
While Biden may have won a close debate based on experience he also made himself look like a fool. All of his smirking and laughing made people respect him more than they already did.The debate didn't help Obama's case very much.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
16 Oct 12
did you mean didn't make people respect him more? Because I only see the staunch den supporters saying they were happy with his performance. As they need to get the swing votes now, I agree, Biden did not help the situation.
• United States
15 Oct 12
Interruption was his game plan. If the other guy doesn't speak people won't know what he was saying...nothing to compare to then. It worked too. I had more of an issue with the moderator not stepping in enough and doing a lot of her own interrupting of Ryan.
@laglen (19759)
• United States
16 Oct 12
OpinionatedLady, good point, the moderator was not doing her job. Stary, I think Lady was pointing out that the moderator was interrupting Ryan, not that she should have. I agree that Ryan should have asked him what was so funny about our Ambassador be raped, dragged through the street and murdered.
@stary1 (6612)
• United States
16 Oct 12
laglen Thank you..I think you are right...I misunderstoodt OpinionatedLady My apologies...I misread your post..you are correct imo and the moderatoor did not let Ryan finish...I am sorry I did read carefully
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@stary1 (6612)
• United States
16 Oct 12
YIKES!! I screwed up again...I meant to say I DID NOT read carefully....
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• United States
15 Oct 12
Biden lost the debate because of his behavior, rolling his eyes and smirking, I wouldn't want him as President if something happened to Obama. I thought the Democrats were supposed to be nicer than Republicans. He came across as arrogant and rude. It's also the fact that the Democratic base isn't as gung ho to go vote as they were four years, i just want to vote and get Obama out of the white house. I'm ready and can't wait to vote.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
16 Oct 12
Yeah I never bought that democrats are the kinder gentler party!
@Fatcat44 (1141)
• United States
16 Oct 12
I feel the Biden in the debate actually lost ground for the democrats. 1. Women, note Obama leads in women votes, found Biden to be very rude an were turned off. 2. Young poeple, who also Obama leads in votes, saw an old man scolding and being mean to a younger person, and were turned off by it. So even if Biden won the debate, I feel it was a failure on for the democrats. Besides, how can a rude and gross person win a debate? This showed me how out of touch with people Biden really is. I turned it off because I could not stand the Baffoon and his idiot behaviors any more. If I were Ryan. I would have stopped talking when Biden started acting like an idiot and would have just give him a look of puzzlement so that it would have drawn the attention of the audience to it, and put some pressure on the mediator to settle things down.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
17 Oct 12
Fat, I believe you are right on all counts!
@stary1 (6612)
• United States
16 Oct 12
laglen I am sadened to see we have so many Americans who would pat Joe on the back and say "atta boy' at his rudeness. I used to think Biden was just a loose cannon but a decent man. No more..his behavior was atrocious and this is the man a heartbeat away from the Presidency
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
16 Oct 12
Thank you stary I am glad more and more people are noticing!
@mariaperalta (19073)
• Mexico
15 Oct 12
I saw some clips here in Mexico on cnn. I agree he was kinda rude. Plus hes not a very good speaker.
@laglen (19759)
• United States
16 Oct 12
No and he made crap up as he went along. Who needs facts?