Raw food diet
By Octav1
@Octav1 (1419)
Romania
October 17, 2012 6:45am CST
We were thinking about changing our dog's diet to a raw food diet.
For those who don't know, raw food diet means the dog eats meat that has not been cooked. This means raw bones, raw meat, raw chicken, raw fish, raw pork, raw venison and the list could continue. The diet doesn't include neither fruits or vegetables, nor grains.
We still hesitate to change our dog's diet to this one because we are afraid of the risks that come with eating raw flesh.
Have you known about this type of diet? What's your opinion on it? Would you change your dog's diet to a raw diet?
I'd like to know if there is anybody here who chose raw food diet for their dogs. If so, I'd like to know their opinion on the risks that come with eating raw flesh.
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@urbandekay (18278)
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17 Oct 12
Contrary to what some might say, wolves include some vegetable matter in their diet. Hounds used for hunting in UK were traditionally fed on raw horse meat and oatmeal, on this they flourished
all the best, urban
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@urbandekay (18278)
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18 Oct 12
I presume the oatmeal would be boiled in water to make porridge
It is also the custom to smear the blood of the first kill over a child who is out on their first hung
all the best, urban
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@Octav1 (1419)
• Romania
18 Oct 12
I am glad you mentioned wolves in this discussion. Raw food diet fanatics claim that a dog should eat like a wolf. But the wolves eat to survive, they eat anything, even if that meal will be their last meal. We can't take this risk with our dogs. It's in our hands to give them a safe food.
I've never heard about feeding hounds with raw horse meat and oatmeal. Do you know how did they prepare the oatmeal? Or the hunters were feeding their dogs raw oatmeal?
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@urbandekay (18278)
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18 Oct 12
Further to what has been written by others the danger of infection by bacteria or virus from raw meat to a dog is virtually non-existence. A dog's stomach is many time more acidic than our own and any bacteria or virus would be killed, which is why a dog can eat even putrid and rotten meat with no ill effect. However this acid does not protect them from parasites, which are adapted to live in acid conditions such as tape worms.
My dogs often kill and eat small mammals and will sometime reappear with legs of deer and sometimes other bits, that they happily eat. But I worm them regularly and they suffer not harm. It is the lack of vegetable matter that is more of a risk.
all the best, urban
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@deazil (4730)
• United States
17 Oct 12
I tried to feed my cats a raw food diet but cats are finicky and they didn't like it. I found some good articles presenting both good and bad points of a raw food diet. And many vets don't go along with it although more holistic vets seem to lean towards it. Raw food diets became popular when there was a problem with canned dog food being contaminated a few years ago. Here are some links that I hope you find helpful:
www.dogchannel.com/dog-nutrition/raw-food-diets.aspx
www.organic-pet-digest.com/raw-food-diet-for-dogs.html
www.doggiesparadise.com/rawdiet.shtml
www.squidoo.com/dogs-raw-food-diet
Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
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@Octav1 (1419)
• Romania
18 Oct 12
Oh, we don't have any problem with picky eaters! Our dog would gladly eat anything. But we are still afraid of the bad points of the raw food diet. Not to mention that our vet doesn't like the idea of feeding raw meat.
Thank you for the links, I will take a look to see if I can find anything new.
If you do not feed your cats a raw food diet, what have you decided to feed them?
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@deazil (4730)
• United States
18 Oct 12
Higher quality cat food. They seem to do well. I also give them feline CoQ10. The last one to pass away was 19yrs old. He had had kidney disease for 7-8 years but was fine until the last few weeks.
I think you'll find that, for some reason, most vets don't go along with a raw food diet. But, like doctors, I don't pay much attention to them unless they are holistic practitioners as well. Usually they have a broader acceptance/knowledge of things, in my experience.
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@allknowing (136541)
• India
17 Oct 12
I have never felt comfortable feeding my dog raw food although she does flick a fish here and there when no one is looking!
I feed my dog with chicken legs that are pressure cooked. That along with its soup and rice is her main menu. I also give her pedigree which again contains a whole lot of goodness. A little milk and plenty of water is added to her diet. I also give her a vitamin pill recommended by my Vet.
More on raw food you can visit:
http://www.fetchmag.com/index.php?id=13&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=610&tx_ttnews%5BbackPid%5D=40&cHash=d1a61c3545
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@allknowing (136541)
• India
17 Oct 12
She hardly gets an opportunity to eat fish. It happens very rarely. I do not pretend.
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@Octav1 (1419)
• Romania
18 Oct 12
I haven't thought you were pretending. Even with a single raw fish in a long period of time the risk of getting bad bacteria from that fish remains the same. I imagined that's why you said you don't feel comfortable feeding your dogs raw food.
Do you have other reason for avoiding the raw food?
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@Octav1 (1419)
• Romania
17 Oct 12
Thank you for the link, allknowing!
I will surely take a look to this page to see what I can find.
Why do you say you have never felt comfortable feeding your dogs raw food, yet you pretend you haven't seen anything when your dog stole a raw fish?
From what I read, raw fish (especially their intestines) can contain thousands of bacteria that can make a dog sick.
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@murkie (1103)
• Philippines
17 Oct 12
i am no expert on dogs, and my thoughts maybe unfounded. but i think feeding your dog raw flesh is not a good idea. remember that YOU are raw flesh yourself. time comes that if your pet has tasted raw meat, it could smell it off you, especially if your pet is not that disciplined enough.
@Octav1 (1419)
• Romania
18 Oct 12
Hmm, I wouldn't be afraid of that. Our dog is very disciplined even if she may look like a spoiled dog sometimes.
Raw food diet doesn't mean you feed your dogs alive animals. You only give them raw meat that comes from the butcher's. I don't think this would make any dog "eat" his owner alive.
Anyway, thanks for your thoughts.
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@pahak627 (4558)
• Philippines
18 Oct 12
I prefer cooked diet. Dogs like raw foods more than cooked food. As observed, one of our dogs happened to eat raw meat. Worst of all, our neighbor has native chickens roaming around and sometimes there are those who entered our yard. I saw that he killed 2 pullets already. Our neighbor did not know about this.
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@Octav1 (1419)
• Romania
18 Oct 12
Our dog eats both cooked food and raw meat with the same pleasure. She also likes dog dry food. In fact she would eat anything we give her, fruits and vegetables included.
We wouldn't be afraid of accidents with neighbors' livestock, as we live in an apartment. There are no live pullets around. Anyway, killing those two pullets has nothing to do with raw food diet, but with your dog's hunting instinct. Did she eat the pullets entirely or he only killed them?
What if your neighbor finds out what happened to her pullets?
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@thewonderboy (7501)
• India
18 Oct 12
I just used to feed my dog with raw fishes but not at all the time. Still now I do not find any problem with him. I would prefer to give baked ones because it do not create much problem for him.
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@Octav1 (1419)
• Romania
18 Oct 12
So your dog has problems coming from eating raw fish?
My wife gave our dog some raw fish once (it wasn't something deliberate, the dog was begging for fish while she was preparing the dinner) and the dog felt very sick after that. She had a bad diarrhea and she was very sad.
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@elitess (5070)
• Ipswich, England
21 Apr 13
Hello Octav,
Eliminating grains from the dog's diet is supposed to be a good decision especially considering that adding cereals to their diet is like giving them fast food (I heard this statement on several occasions from different experts in the field so I tend to believe it to be true).
@TheCatLady (4691)
• Israel
7 Feb 13
My cats and dogs get fed mostly raw. It depends on what is on sale that week or day. I have dry food as a back up for when I can't get cheap meat and bones.I'll go up to $3 a kilo but not any more than that. I've been feeding raw for a long time and the animals are healthy with shiny coats and teeth.
@savypat (20216)
• United States
17 Oct 12
Dogs are not like cats, cats can eat an all meat diet but not dogs. If you are thinking of a raw diet, make very sure that it comes from a safe source. If the
source you are thinking of suggests an all meat diet look for another source. All meat can make your dogs very sick. I really would not take the chance, virus and parasites can inhabit raw food, especially if it comes from a wild source.
Our Boxer dog requires a cup of sweet potatoe each day just to keep him regular, this is because that breed often needs more fiber than other dogs. This is just one case in point. Really the amount of meat a dog requires is very close to what a human needs. Grain, however is not a need of dogs. Blessings
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@Octav1 (1419)
• Romania
18 Oct 12
Thank you, savypat.
We like the idea of feeding our dog fresh meat, but we never thought to give her anything that is not safe. I mean, I've read that some fanatics about raw food diet give their dogs butcher scraps. This is something we would never do to our dog.
We also read that the raw food diet doesn't include anything but meat. They didn't say anything about vegetables or fruits, though our dog eats them with great pleasure.
What do you feed your dogs?
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@inu1711 (5285)
• Romania
17 Oct 12
I toyed with the idea of feeding my dog raw food.
Without claiming I'm an expert, that's what stopped me from choosing the raw meat diet:
- you can't be sure about the source of meat. The meat can be contaminated with lethal viruses or with dozens of bacteria that can harm the dog's digestive;
- you can't know what is enough for your dog. You can't know for sure what you need to give her a well balanced diet;
- you have to have a fridge full of frozen meat all the time;
- you can't leave home with your pal for more than a day or two; if you want to go hiking in the mountains or if you want to go camping outside the town, your dog will starve because you don't have fresh meat for her;
- the house will be a mess after the dog's meal time; imagine your dog eats big portions of meat that she drags all over the kitchen floor. Not to mention the blood and fresh meat will be all over her coat - this could be even more annoying if you have a long haired dog...
There could be many reasons helping you to decide not to turn to the raw food diet.
But I think the most important is the safety of your dog.
If you want to risk her life with that 0.0001% risk of getting a lethal virus from the pork meat, go ahead. But I wouldn't do such thing with my dog.
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@Octav1 (1419)
• Romania
18 Oct 12
Thank you, inu1711 for your point of view.
We wouldn't take any risk, even if it is only a 0,0001% risk of doing her any harm.
I never thought about the last motive you wrote, but you are right. When we give our dog a raw beef bone to chew, she make the floor a mess! Her furnishings are also a mess after an hour or so of chewing the bone. I'll definitely add this "risk" to our list of bad points of the raw food diet.
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@toyota4k (1208)
• Philippines
18 Oct 12
I don't recommend giving raw meat to dogs or cats especially in a place such as an open farm for when hungry, they will be apt to kill livestock and devour them. Over left food is still practical. by the way my pet dog eats apples and papaya but not as much as rice with meat soup and mixed with a handful of dog food.
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@Octav1 (1419)
• Romania
18 Oct 12
I don't think a dog that was fed raw meat would kill livestock, as long as the owner feeds him regularly. Anyway, it is not our case, because we don't live in a farm. There are other reasons we don't trust this kind of diet.
Our dog also eats fruits and vegetables with great pleasure but she would gladly eat a piece of meat, too.
What type of dog food do you give to your dog?
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@toyota4k (1208)
• Philippines
18 Oct 12
I don't recommend giving raw mat to dogs or cats especially in a place such as an open farm for when hungry, they will be apt to kill livestock and devour them. Over left food is still practical.
@subhojit10 (7375)
• India
17 Oct 12
Thanks for posting this discussion. Well i would definitely recommend u to include sliced fruits and vegetables in your dog's diet. I know dogs generally prefer having non veg foods but then the fruits and vegetables can be added to their diet for more vitamins and proteins. More importantly always consult a doctor who is specialized in this regard about the diet of your diet that would be the best option.
What say?
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@Octav1 (1419)
• Romania
17 Oct 12
I am afraid there is no doctor specialized in raw diets in my country. Over here, every vet claims we should feed our dogs only industrial dog food. I don't say this is wrong, but I would like to know impressions from the other people who think raw meat is the best option for feeding a dog.
Our dog already eats lots of fruits and vegetables, yet the raw food diet supporters claim that fruits, grains and vegetables cannot be digested properly by a dog.
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@kokomo (1867)
• Philippines
17 Oct 12
Dogs belongs to a carnivorous animal so I think there is nothing wrong if you feed him that raw foods. I think dogs appreciate raw foods too much.But if your dog has a breed, you should consult the veterinarian for the right food for your pet.
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@Octav1 (1419)
• Romania
17 Oct 12
I don't think the diet has too much to do with the breed of the dog. All the breeds have the same digestive, the only thing that is different is the amount of food you give to the dog.
I know meat is good for a dog, but how about the risks involved? The raw meat can contain lots of bacteria and viruses (some of them lethal, with no treatment).
Do you know anybody who feed her dogs an exclusive raw meat diet? I am curious how does she see the risks.
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