Will We Still Have Our Earthly Identity in Heaven?
@mythociate (21432)
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
October 18, 2012 10:52am CST
I don't think so. I think we Have to Burn It Off before We Get There.
I thought of while reading about Christ Church at the Ark (email: lairdbashour at clearwire.net). Even though 'lairdbashour' says that we will all get to Heaven tho some will only get there as by fire, he also thinks that we'll each come before some great judgment-seat where all our sins will be revealed & weighed against us.
I don't agree, but then I 'know' that Heaven, Hell & really this whole Purgatory world aren't real places ...
... wait a minute, just blew my mind there. GETTING OFF-TRACK A SECOND: This world is real BECAUSE WE MAKE IT REAL. (We can't make it 'not real' just by "deciding it shouldn't be" ... that's part of the process, though.)
The imagined existence of Planet Heaven & Planet Hell DOES serve a purpose: it quiets the mind from thinking that it must 'know' all existing things, because there are several worlds that exist that you will never 'know.'
NOW, BACK ON-TRACK: Regardless of 'where we think we are,' we only live-on eternally if we kill our egos and live-on as Christ ... as we realize that Christ is the only spirit that fruitfully quickens this mortal flesh, that other spirits only quicken it to destruction (burning it out, instead of letting it bear the heat like a rock).
I don't want to suffer the pains of this world forever. But you know that sometimes the Kingdom's continuance is worth a little pain, and that Our Father-never gives 'we who love Him' more trouble than we can bear and -gives us rest from any tribulation before our breaking-point.
So lay down your cross when you can't carry it any longer, that you can take it up again after it's remodeled to be more like Christ's cross. Then carry it a little further & lie it down again, as it's remodeled again. And again, and again, and soon you will be carrying a cross that's an exact replica of Christ's. And you'll feel exactly the same way about it as Christ does.
Wouldn't you prefer that to 'having your own feelings about the cross you carry'?
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@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
18 Oct 12
I'm not carry no cross. If Jesus Wants me to die I will just die. I have been told I'm going to hell just because I do nit see Jesus as My G-d. So I'm ready for hell and I embrace it. Hell is far better than lying to get into heaven. Do you mean our bodies when you say earthy identities? if so I believe no. It becomes dust. As in ashes to ashes , dust to dust. But your soul lives on. I believe if G-d wants you to have a do over here on earth, your soul gets another body.If not? you go either to heaven or hell. I don't believe Christ even knows me. I'm not a Christian so I'm crossed off His list. At least I hope so!
@mythociate (21432)
• Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
9 Nov 12
That doesn't answer my question "Where do people get that the soul is a separate thing?" I thought I've explained why it's not, so I'll simplify the explanation: body = 'light-bulb'; spirit (or life-force or whatever) = 'electricity'; soul = 'light that comes from the light-bulb when the electricity runs through it'
I think what you're calling the "soul" is actually 'the spirit/life-force that's already run through the body.'
The Qur`an (or is the more-popular spelling 'Koran'? or with the 'Qu' but without the '`'?) reminds us that Abraham, Isaac & Jacob ('the G-d of whom' we say we Christians are) was not a Jew or a Christian. And he is the foundation of all three religions (the two mentioned, and Islam).
Y`shu'a--the carpenter's boy--should know how dangerous it is to build your platform on something so-far removed from a firm foundation as He was removed from Abraham (I know it's Ibrahim, but I'm not even sure if that's the "Hebrew"-ish; and people are more-familiar with the Anglican spelling anyway).
The base of Abraham's 'salvation' was "'Total Submission' (the meaning of the word 'Islam') to 'Allah' (which is also Arab Christians' name for YHVH)." Y`shu'a's decision to die was also based on such submission ('Search the Web' for Jesus' prayer in the Garden of Gethsemane).
Really, 'the difference between the soul & the spirit' only matters to people as much as we care about 'the difference between profits and inflation' ... the former only matters to Theologians like the latter matters to Economists.
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@mythociate (21432)
• Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
9 Nov 12
Paraphrasing comedian Lewis Black (who was talking about ages-"40" & "50") 'NO! 
The "Spirit" is the "Spirit" and the "Soul" is the "Soul"; THAT'S WHY THEY ARE DIFFERENT WORDS! 
'
Can you deny that the Soul is the Spirit combined with the Body? (I mean, I know you can "deny" it just sayin` 'nope-nope-nope' ... they need a 'bucktooth'-smiley there; but do you have any argument saying WHY it's not?)
A "bodiless soul" is like a 'water-less ocean.'
The "Spirit" is the "Spirit" and the "Soul" is the "Soul"; THAT'S WHY THEY ARE DIFFERENT WORDS! '
Can you deny that the Soul is the Spirit combined with the Body? (I mean, I know you can "deny" it just sayin` 'nope-nope-nope' ... they need a 'bucktooth'-smiley there; but do you have any argument saying WHY it's not?)
A "bodiless soul" is like a 'water-less ocean.'1 person likes this
@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
9 Nov 12
Soul is a spirit that have religion. Spirits are those that may or may not have religion.But is separate from the body. I use spirit more than soul. Because all people religious or not have their own spirit. I will never believe that the soul is part of the body! So we can go around and around or agree to disagree.
@ztuberi (395)
• Philippines
19 Oct 12
No. We will not have our earthly identity anymore when we go to heaven.
And to understand everything, we have to let the Holy Spirit move us. We cannot fully understand everything on our own capacity. It should be God's wisdom.
