Ageing disgracefully

Australia
October 18, 2012 8:42pm CST
I will preface this by making quite clear that the source of the following is not me, it is Naomi Wolf. “You could see the signs of female ageing as diseased, especially if you had a vested interest in making women too see themselves your way. Or you could see that if a woman is healthy she lives to grow old; as she thrives, she reacts and speaks and shows emotion, and grows into her face. Lines trace her thought and radiate from the corners of her eyes after decades of laughter, closing together like fans as she smiles. You could call the lines a network of ‘serious lesions,’ or you could see that in a precise calligraphy, thought has etched marks of concentration between her brows, and drawn across her forehead the horizontal creases of surprise, delight, compassion, and good talk. A lifetime of kissing, of speaking and weeping, shows expressively around a mouth scored like a leaf in motion. The skin loosens on her face and throat, giving her features a setting of sensual dignity; her features grow stronger as she does. She has looked around in her life, and it shows. When grey and white reflect in her hair, you could call it a dirty secret, or you could call it silver, or moonlight. Her body fills into itself, taking on gravity like a bather breasting water, growing generous with the rest of her. The darkening under her eyes, the weight of her lids, their minute cross-hatching, reveal that what she has been part of has left in her its complexity and richness. She is darker, stronger, looser, tougher, sexier. The maturing of a woman who has continued to grow is a beautiful thing to behold.” Naomi Wolf “The Beauty Myth” p231 London: Vintage Press, 1991* In view of the fact that there is a whole industry involved in selling anti-ageing treatments, and that so many women particularly keep this industry rich, how would you react to that quotation? I see that anti-ageing thing as the really "disgraceful" aspect of ageing, whole generations of old wethers pretending to be spring lamb. Nobody, surely, is fooled? It is so much different for men. We can allow our age to show as much as we please and yet still get full respect and the potential to be a TV breakfast show host till we retire: not so women. Old rams don't have to pretend to be young studs (although I suspect many of them have'nt stopped fooling themselves yet). The popular music industry is the same, men can keep performing until they are genuinely old wrinklies (Stones, Beatles, Beach Boys, Eagles etc.), but no matter how good a woman is, her career ends the moment the botox stops working (Jazz is an exception, and even Country Music gives women a better run). How are you facing your advancing years? Lash
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@riyauro (6421)
• India
19 Oct 12
This is so true Lash. we try to make ourselves look beautiful with all that make up. I don't know much because I am not that into makeup and beauty products. I can't those expensive ones but if I can i will to make myself look younger.. It is true that the man age differently and they are accepted as TV hosts also even they are aging. So well good on them haha..anyway this is how life is and people ladies who look younger. If they do not color her hair which is graying, she will be sided and will be categorized as old lady and that is why ladies are like forced to keep them younger than their age. ..Thanks for sharing and have a wonderful day ahead.
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• Australia
19 Oct 12
Yes, it is an unfortunate truth, but that is the way it actually is, regardless of how we might like it to be. Lash
@Sandra1952 (6047)
• Spain
19 Oct 12
Hello, Lash. I love that quote - thanks so much for that. I agree totally with it - I'm not trying to keep the years at bay by fair means or foul. I'm 60, but when I tell people, they don't believe me - they think I'm at least 10 years younger. As if any woman would add on years! I stopped trying to do that when I really was old enough to get into adult-rated films. I have no special beauty routine - I just keep myself clean, smelling nice and moisturised, but I don't spend a fortune on it. I dress appropriately for my age, but I also accentuate the positive and minimise the negative. I dress in stuff that suits me, not stuff that swamps me. When I go out for the night, I'm told I look sexy, although I couldn't verify that, as I'm into men, not women. I do like what I see in the mirror though, and I get asked out by guys 20 years younger than me, so I guess I'm not doing so badly. If you don't care about your age, nobody else will. You're more than the summ of the numbers on your birth certificate.
• United States
20 Oct 12
Well, my birthday is in two weeks, and frankly, I'm not worried about it. Every decade I've been alive, I've lost someone close to me. I'm hoping that maybe for the rest of my 40s, the Grim Reaper will not touch my life for a change! I only feel 21 inside, even if my body makes me feel 90! I think I pretty much look the same as I did 10 years ago, although with much less hair! I have a few white hairs here and there, my face is pretty wrinkle-free (thanks to good genes!), and I'm still able to walk around without a cane. I'm looking forward to living my life now!
• United States
20 Oct 12
That's good that you're still young inside-was 28 a good age for you Lash? It was only when I moved from NJ to PA about 2 years ago that I stopped thinking I was only 17. I think living in the same town I grew up in for so long made me stay at that age mentally; now I feel like I'm a young adult about to embark on their life. Illness does do a number on our body-I've been living with multiple sclerosis for the last fourteen plus years and I've had my ups and downs. Earlier this year, my hair was so damaged and dried out, even after I had it cut-and it made me look and feel awful. I went and had my hair cut off (she did a rotten job-all uneven) and it's shiny and healthy looking again. I'm doing what I can to feel better about myself, but some days it's hard.
@sid556 (30959)
• United States
20 Oct 12
Oh I can relate to this, Grandpa. I used to go to the fairs and without fail would win on those so-called seers that could tell your age within a few years. I was guaranteed a prize if my husband walked off with the kids. I got carded well into my 30's. I hated it so much but then again hated it equally when it stopped. I'm 56 now and get mixed reviews. I really don't even care at this point. I do my best to just enjoy life the best I can. The "looks" thing has taken a back stage...I am clean and dress decent and care about myself but I'm older and I'm ok with it.
• Australia
20 Oct 12
Yes, precisely the point: we should be comfortable with our age and stop trying to pretend we're still young. We've earned every wrinkle and every grey/white hair. To say nothing of every ache and pain lol. Lash
@sid556 (30959)
• United States
19 Oct 12
I think that there is a lot to be said for aging "gracefully". Honestly, I just try not to think about it. On the inside, other than to get a wee bit more mature, I'm basically the same person that I was when I was much younger....just more lessons learned. As for the outside...well, I am sure that most if not all of the products are pretty useless. I use baby lotion as a moisturizer and that is it. In my opinion, when someone tries to look way younger than they are, they usually just end up looking foolish...and that goes for both genders. As for the muscians, I don't think it's the industry or the tv that pushes women to retire early...I believe it is the mind-set of the women who retire early. Look at Ozzie Osbourne's wife, Stevie Nicks, Blondie...all still working it...Cher.
@sid556 (30959)
• United States
20 Oct 12
Well, I guess you know better than I would. Men tend to be more visual as well. I honestly would not stop listening to a female artist's music just because she aged nor a male artists either. I really can't say that I can off the top of my head think of too many female rockers from back in the 60's and 70's that lived to get older and aren't still playing. Pat Benitar maybe...haven't heard much from her for a while. Melanie still plays last I knew but I'm not sure how much of a following she really had. So if what you say is true and I trust that it is then I say we blame the men.
• Australia
20 Oct 12
Only the absolutely biggest female music stars can continue, and I can tell you as one who spent a great proprotion of his life in the music industry, you are wrong about women choosing to retire young. Some may well do so, but the bulk of them are forced into it, if only because the fans stop buying their albums once they begin to loook old, something which doesn't seem to happen too often with the older males. Lash
@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
19 Oct 12
G'day Lash! Your discussion has the honour of being the first one to show up in my inbox for weeks! Not that I have had much time to respond to any if they had been showing up, I do not even really have much time to be responding to this one, but anyway, just thought I would pop in, say hello and add my 2 cents. I totally agree with your thoughts on this matter. There is a whole industry out there deceiving women into making them think that they need all these products to stay young and healthy looking, or to just look beautiful in the first place. They teach females from their teen years that they need makeup and moisturisers and all the other crap that they lather all over themselves, but really. It is unneccesary in my opinion. We (both men and women) just need to eat and drink well, making sure that we get lots of nutrition in from vegtables, greens and fruits and get regular exercise, relax lots and live as stress free as possible. Then we will age well and hopefully live long and wonderful lives. That is how I am approaching growing old. And refusing to grow old too helps. I am turning 40 shorly but still feel like a teenager at times.
• Australia
20 Oct 12
Your absence has been noted, and questions will be asked. I started a swag of discussions recently under "Australia - I luv ya", and swelp me not one Aussie has yet joined in, so questions will be asked all over the place. Yes, I am a 68 year old juvenile delinquent, and my most hated enemy in the world is my stupid body, and when I'm being serious, my stupid bloody mind for allowing my stupid bloody body to get into its current stupid bloody parlous state. Lash
@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
21 Oct 12
Yep, I completely missed "Australia - I luv ya", but I can always go back and check out those discussions once I get time. I will get there, well I might even check it out now briefly. I certainly do like the idea of being a juvenile delinquent forever!
@SunGlow (48)
• United States
19 Oct 12
Getting older as a female is much different than getting older as a male. Society tends to glorify youthful women more than age/experience/wisdom. Women are known for their looks and not so much on the later. It is a societal dilemma and if more women ignored this pressure they could possibly put a dent into this ideology. Beauty is a myth indeed because true beauty comes from within and is not an outer illusion.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
19 Oct 12
My birthday tattoo. - Have wanted a tattoo for years and decided I would never get the opportunity when lo and behold, that opportunity occurred.

While it was not exactly what I wanted, I'm happy.
The guilt about "not taking care of yourself" gets laid on pretty thickly throughout a woman's life. If your Mum used a moisturiser her daughter is more likely to but most women simply cannot afford the exorbitant cost of the cleanse, tone and moisturise routine and who says it will work anyway. And where were working women and young Mums supposed to get the time for beauty routines. When I grew u it was sometimes the boyfriend who expected his girlfriend or wife to where a lot of make-up then there were those guys who hated even the mere light smear of lippy. For me, having just reached 60, I see a lot of wrinkles, a crepey neck and lots of grey hairs. So I went out and coloured my hair purple and got a tattoo on my chest. Times have changed and I don't care about wrinkles; they are just a small part of who I am.
• Australia
19 Oct 12
Funny, I was well into my 50s before I got the first of my 2 tattoos. Did you design your own or was it "off the wall"? I'm one of those men who isn't particularly worried about whether my lady wears make-up or not, although it is nice to occasionally go out with some eye candy on my arm lol. Lash
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
19 Oct 12
I was not prepared to get a tattoo that day so it was off the wall and so it's lucky I really like the little guy. I wear make-up when I go out and have learned the tricks to make myself up to look natural...it takes hours. (Just kidding). I scrub up pretty well if I do say so myself. You two would make a stunning duo.
@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
19 Oct 12
My sisters and I were talking about people who have had work done on themselves. We all agreed that even though they looked better, they didn't look younger. That physical maturity that comes with age is still there. I have no problem with someone wanting to improve their appearance, but I do think it's sad when they think it gives them back their youth. I had pretty black hair; so when it started going gray, I dyed it because I didn't like the idea of anyone starting to see me as an older person. After a while I began to think, who cares? There is too much I would have to battle to keep my youth, and even with battling it, I still wouldn't be able to do the things I could do in my youth; so I have decided whatever will be will be. I'm a lot happier not trying to be what I am not. I do, though, think there's no reason to have an old attitude just because I'm getting closer to what is called old age.
@sjvenden27 (1840)
• United States
19 Oct 12
That was a great quotation.. I agree with everything that it said.. Depending on the eyes that are used to see me I am either really young, middle aged, or old.. Personally I do not have a problem having grey hair!! I wear it with pride, some other people my age make comments.. Some are nice some are down right rude.. I lean down grab my shoe and ask them would you like to take a step in my shoes.. If it could really happen I bet you'll throw the shoe back before you have it totally on your foot.. I do not wear make up.. Regardless of the brand or what not I believe its all clown make up.. Covering your true self.. For once in my life I am comfy in my own skin!! Only took 30 years.. So if you dont like it dont look, Im not changing for nobody.. I pleased everyone else but myself for years... Lost myself in others needs.. That person is gone.. And I am extremely happy with me.. Granted I am like everyone else have things in life that I would love to change.. Some will never happen.. So I do what I can to just be happy with what I have got.. and not what I dont..
@rameshchow (4426)
• India
19 Oct 12
nature is the ultimate lord to every creature no this universe. we can not stop the CHANGE. we can hold the temporary beauty for ever.