How much do you know about Republican and Democrat ideologies?
By bloggeroo
@bloggeroo (2167)
Philippines
November 2, 2012 12:06am CST
I'm curious esp. for myLot members from the U.S. How much do you know about the ideologies of the Republican and Democrat parties?
For a non-American, I'm surprised when people get lost in their own arguments by expecting Democrats to think like Republicans and vice versa.
3 responses
@grandpa_lash (5225)
• Australia
2 Nov 12
A couple of points. I suspect that ideology as such is more a concern of those with higher education than the bulk of the population. I'm sure there are plenty without degrees who would have some knowledge, but on the whole ideology is a matter of theory rather than practice.
When it comes to actual voting patterns, many studies of Western democracies (I can't answer for non-Western) show that about 70-80% of the population are predominantly party aligned, and usually only a very bad performance by the party they support will tempt them to vote against it. For them, ideology is irrelevant, although I'm sure many of them do grasp the basics of, say, the difference between a Liberal or Conservative ideology on the one hand and a socialist ideology on the other. That is, those who don't confuse Liberal with Socialist, which seems to be a lot of the conservative supporters in MyLot.
Mostly elections are decided by the uncommitted or swinging voters, many of who these days are likely to support third parties like the Greens, so it really is a small group who are completely independednt, and my observation is that they have a far better grasp of the underlying ideologies than most committed voters, although having said that my observatio also suggests that third party voters tend to be better versed in these matters than those who support the two main sides of the political divide.
So, it's not surprising that we get a lot of confusion of the kind you suggest in these forums.
Lash.
@bloggeroo (2167)
• Philippines
2 Nov 12
You mentioned Liberals (or Democrats) being called Socialists. I actually saw a few posts in my Facebook wall about somebody trying to raise an alarm by saying that Obama is a Socialist because he supported more government involvement in a lot of things.
I find this strange because it is suppose to be common knowledge that Democrats believe that government has a role to play in the lives of American citizens. It is not a stigma for them. It is actually a virtue. It is part of their ideology.
What I find surprising is the fact that those who oppose this Democrat/Liberal ideology thinks they can somehow eradicate this belief. Given that American politics is evenly split between Republicans and Democrats, I'm doubtful it will happen in a thousand years.
@grandpa_lash (5225)
• Australia
3 Nov 12
I'll post here on this, although the issues I am addressing appear in later posts as well.
There are underlying ideologies, but I don't believe that ideologies can be accurately apportioned to the current political parties. I will use Australia as an example because that is what I am most familiar with.
I see that currently there are four basic ideological packages which can be named Conservatism, Liberalism, Socialism, and Green Radicalism.
In Australia these are split like this: The Liberal/National Party Coalition (LNP) is primarily a conservative party, extremely so on the whole, and defined roughly as both socially and fiscally conservative (almost reactionary in its current form), but it contains a number of people who would really best fall under the conservative Liberal flag, as the whole party once did, which can be roughly defined as socially liberal and fiscally conservative. The Labor Party is nominally Socialist, but in practical terms at the moment contains mostly socially left liberal and fiscally conservative politicians, with a remnant of actual socialists and left-wing unionists. The Greens are both socially and fiscally radical.
If we bunched these parties according to their actual ideologies, we would have, at an estimate, about 40% liberals, 30% conservatives, 20% socialists, and 10% radical Greens. But the actual practical politics forces the socialists to bow down to the liberal left, and the right liberals to bow down to the conservatives within their respective parties. This leads to a large degree of confusion between the ideologies and the practical political platforms, and also points to considerable internal dissension within the major parties.
I'm sure individuals have similar mixes of belief: I, for instance, would sum up my personal ideology as 35% Liberal, 35% Green Radical, 20% Socialist, and 10% Conservative.
From outside it seems to me that the two major US parties are similarly split between Liberal, Liberal Conservative, and Hard Right Conservative. This leads to the same sort of internal debate within the two major parties, although it would seem that this is more obvious among the Republicans. Romney would appear to be a Liberal Conservative who is not at all liked by the hard right supporters of the Republican party.
I'm sure some of our American friends will disagree with this analysis, and I'm open to conviction on that estimate. I do find the lack of Socialist and Radical Green ideologies in any strength in US politics as disturbing, but I'm sure they exist at third party and independent levels, it's just that the US system doesn't appear to allow them the same opportunity of political representation as does the Australian system.
Lash
@natliegleb (5175)
• India
11 Nov 12
well i know more about these republican ideologies and they are quite funny for sure and they never deliver always to the time when they have promised
@evanslf (484)
•
4 Nov 12
At heart, the key divide between left and right is that the former believe that Government intervention can help improve economies and society, whilst the latter believe that Government intervention will do harm and that Government's role should be as small as possible. That key divide is world-wide and is reflected in US Politics, with the Dems being seen in favour of 'big government' and the Reps being seen as in favour of 'small government'. These competing ideologies always vie for supremacy, but in truth one cannot exist without the other: there will always need to be a role for Government, however small, the issue is how far that role should extend.
That said, in the US, the basic pro or anti-Government divide goes much further than this. The divide in US society is very much cultural and also depends on your belief system. So for instance, if you believe that Government should not interfere in people's lives and that people should be free to do as they please (ie gays should be able to marry, women should be able to have an abortion), then you are much more likely to vote Democrat. If however you believe that religion has an important part to play in the US polity, if you are against abortion and against gay marriage, then you are far more likely to be a Republican voter. Likewise, if you believe that people should stand on their own two feet, you are far more likely to vote Republican. A Democrat however will be more prepared to see Government intervention to support the needy and vulnerable, Republicans on the other hand will tend to oppose Government in this area, instead preferring self-help, family networks, charitable donations, etc.
Well that's a short summary, no doubt there is plenty else that I have missed!