Would You?
By dark_joev
@dark_joev (3034)
United States
November 2, 2012 7:18pm CST
Support a State(s) seceding from the Union?
This is a question that I have been meaning to through out there and I am interested as I am apart of a local movement that is seeking to form and independent nation in the PNW (Pacific NorthWest) . This Nation would be called the Commonwealth of Cascadia. The Movement is gaining ground as the realization that Washington D.C doesn't represent us anymore and that it seems that it is going in a completely opposite direction as the people over here in the PNW.
So would you support another State urging your Representative and senator to approve such a request from a state if the majority in the state wanted to secede?
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5 responses
@ladybugmagic (3978)
• United States
3 Nov 12
I am open to a clean break from the republicans. I say we separate since we can't really agree. Everyone in the bible belt should secede, and let the progressives have their own country. The conservatives keep driving us backwards.
In all seriousness, though, the best thing we should do is really open DC up to third party. Like green or socialist. And then we could see more unifying.
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@ladybugmagic (3978)
• United States
3 Nov 12
Perhaps a poor choice of words, considering predictions say a quake will hit dislodging it from the country.
Much like predictions said Jersey would be under water, while Romney pokes fun at Obama for trying to stop the rising sea levels.
@knoodleknight18 (917)
• United States
3 Nov 12
Seceding from the Union would be a total disaster. It might have this ideological appeal, but the "logistics" as they say make it near impossible.
Without even going into detail you'd have to consider a lot of immediate problems. Setting up a new government with better structure/leaders. Trade, traffic and agreements on licenses are now broken. Military bases in the state, loss of all federal backing like FEMA, FDIC, etc. etc. and that's the tip of the iceberg. Even if you could get a large number of states to secede. Who takes on the national debt? What will replace medicare and social security payments for all the elderly? Those things can't wait. Trade embargoes on oil and foods could easily collapse economies on both sides.
Remember the phrase "United We Stand" because no matter how bad it seems. If the country divides it will destroy itself.
@dark_joev (3034)
• United States
3 Nov 12
The nation is all ready falling. You can't have continuous wars it is damaging to the economy over the long haul. Also you can't run a massive amount of money (debt) through an economy that is weak without running into the risk of hyperinflation.
As for the logistics of it. I know just how much of a difficult thing it is. That is why it won't happen over night and it shouldn't happen over night. As for the Departments you listed those don't matter as much because the new government could have those set up or use the state level departments that are already in existence. The Big thing would be the creation of the new nations currency.
Also that phrase really doesn't work when you have a country to which the capital is 3,000+ Miles away from the West Coast. Washington D.C doesn't represent the Washington, Oregon or California.
As with any modern country the issues you posed are actually far easier to answer. If the country is monetarily sovereign (As in has control of the printing of the currency it uses) then it is quite easy you print the money up you may take a hit in the short term as you are replacing the old currency with a new currency. The thing is you can get the government up and running with out to much of an issue.
Thomas Jefferson and many of the other "Founding Fathers" felt that the West Coast would be it's own nation anyway. The United States is to big and as any country that is bloated it will at some point fall. We are heading for that collapse because we are empire building and like all nations before us Empire building leads to a collapse from both internal and external pressures. The United States maybe has 20 years. If we are lucky.
@dark_joev (3034)
• United States
10 Nov 12
I think it is going to end up happening because the United States isn't going to have the ability to avoid the Fiscal Cliff because both the Republicans and Democrats are largely incompetent when it comes to actually fixing things the best they will do is kick it down the road until we run out of road. I am hoping by that time which I think is about 20 years away the people in this country will see it and realize that the only option we have is to secede from the United States which a few states would remain apart of the United States. I think the West Coast would leave as California does have a movement to re-establish the Republic of California. Texas would likely leave as well. The Bible belt would also likely form their own country leaving dixie to form into it's own country or they might even split themselves up too. Who knows all I really know is the movements around the Pacific NorthWest as that is where I live.
@laglen (19759)
• United States
3 Nov 12
I would say that if a state has two thirds wanting to secede, they should be able to with out repercussions. I find it ridiculous to hold for the sake of holding. I agree that Washington DC has failed us. Miserably. They do not represent the people anymore, rather their own self interest. I just do not understand why our citizenry is so stinkin stupid that they keep re-electing them.
@ladybugmagic (3978)
• United States
3 Nov 12
If you oppose self-interest, why do you oppose socialism?
@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
3 Nov 12
Well if you know your history you know it would not go well. The state or states would not be able to defend themselves from the US government. Remember the civil war. It created a rift that still is felt today.
@LetranKnight25 (33121)
• Philippines
6 Nov 12
Oh!
were scared! it would give a huge advantage to US enemies if there's even a slightest event that leads to a secession to civil war. nobody wants that happening from the US, the other Rising Super Powers aren't really that mature or kind lately to it's neighbors, specially ours here. No, it shouldn't repeat, the global economy would collapse in the long run. the days of the real oppression would return and the era of free speech would diminish.
were scared! it would give a huge advantage to US enemies if there's even a slightest event that leads to a secession to civil war. nobody wants that happening from the US, the other Rising Super Powers aren't really that mature or kind lately to it's neighbors, specially ours here. No, it shouldn't repeat, the global economy would collapse in the long run. the days of the real oppression would return and the era of free speech would diminish.@dark_joev (3034)
• United States
10 Nov 12
The era of Free Speech is already going away the Government especially in the United States doesn't like Free Speech heck they don't even like the right to have a public trial or to be charged with a crime. The Government just wants to hold you for ever.
Also there are peaceful ways to leave the United States it wouldn't have to go to a civil war.
