seriously? just before thanksgiving?
By bonnie
@bunnybon7 (50973)
Holiday, Florida
November 11, 2012 8:01pm CST
Jr., my oldest here said last week he will buy all our groceries for a while if I go vegan with him. he proceeded to tell me about a video someone sent in his email about and showing a calf being slaughtered for meat and others etc. well i said id try it before i remembered about the thanksgiving comeing up. i know everyone else here is going to partake in turkey! so, today we were discussing it and the plan is we all put in on the food as son says theres lots we can eat other then turkey anyway. lol. i got news for him. im sneaking a little peice of breast! do you have vegans in your family that watch what they eat like that? wouldnt you think they would miss turkey?
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@habibti320 (925)
• United States
12 Nov 12
In my family's Thanksgiving, I couldn't go vegan, but I'd go vegetarian!
I usually skip over the turkey or eat just a slice to make it "thanksgiving". But the best part are the sides:
cheesy potatoes
mashed potatoes and gravy
stuffing
green bean casserole
broccoli casserole
dinner rolls
pumpkin pie
I don't know how to make a good Thanksgiving meal without cheese and other dairy products! I'm sure that you and your son will be a lot healthier though. Just make sure that you eat protein, calcium, and vitamins B12 and D. I know some vegans have issues with getting enough of these nutrients because instead of adding new foods to their diet, they just get rid of the animal sources.
@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
12 Nov 12
I certainly couldn't go vegan, I do a lot of body building at the gym and need protein, since most if not all protein is animal related, sure there are alternatives, but give me a big plate of turkey, pork or fish any day, my muscles won't build on beans and lettuce leaves.
@urbandekay (18278)
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12 Nov 12
That's nonsense, beans, peas lentils and other vegetables all contain protein
all the best, urban
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
13 Nov 12
son loves beans. i like them but at times they dont like me but i do take supplements so that should help
@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
12 Nov 12
Mmm yes that is definitely bad timing. Personally I wouldn't be too thrilled if someone sent me an email about a calf being slaughtered! Your son has good intentions but maybe he should sail his ship alone, I am sure he will have withdrawal symptoms when it comes to Thanksgiving and everyone is tucking into deliciously mouthwatering turkey! I tried going vegetarian once, until my partner started cooking bacon, now that is one smell that is enough to drive anyone to eat meat!
@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
12 Nov 12
I don't eat beef or lamb, I don't like the taste of either, so it's a palatable preference rather than an animal one. Now pork I couldn't live without. I could eat it till the cows (ooops) come home. There's always a confusion about vegans and vegetarians. Vegans don't eat anything related to an animal like milk, eggs, cheese etc, these are strict vegans, whereas vegetarians will eat eggs, cheese, fish, milk.
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
13 Nov 12
im thinking bacon would get me also. its right up there with turkey smell on special days. so im not sure how far this will go but a few days without meat never hurt anyone i guess and son says he feels better and would like for me to. he really never cared for pork anyway. his weakness has always been beef. and no i will never give up my cheese so we are vegetarianm not vegan after all.
@habibti320 (925)
• United States
12 Nov 12
Interesting that it was bacon that got you! I was reading about vegetarianism before (when I was considering making the change) and there was an article about the smell of bacon being the downfall of many vegetarians! It seems like the kind of thing that if you do without for a while, it will be easier to cut down on in the future. I am more of a once a week meat eater. I don't cook it at home (except fish), but when I visit people or share meals with them, I don't refuse meat.
I don't think bacon would do it for me, since I haven't eaten pork in 7 years...
@urbandekay (18278)
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12 Nov 12
So, the example you set your son is too cheat on agreements to satisfy your lust for flesh, well done
all the best, urban
@urbandekay (18278)
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13 Nov 12
Ah, I was thinking he was 30 or more years younger than that!
all the best urban
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
13 Nov 12
look hes 47yrs old ok. so yes, i can set a bad example at this point i guess meanie
@veganbliss (3895)
• Adelaide, Australia
23 Nov 12
Hi
Sounds like a fair enough deal. I'm wondering why you would do such a thing after agreeing? Do you genuinely support your son trying to go vegan? Do you intend to make it up later... even in secret?
I guess turkey is a big deal as a centre-piece for Thanksgiving, but there are alternatives. Did you know about Turfkey & other whole vegan turkey's? They're supposed to look & taste just like the real thing so omnivores can't pick the difference.
I can't speak for all vegans, but for myself, I don't miss any part of a traditional diet or any centre-piece thereof. Most things like that have been successfully emulated from 100% plant ingredients for those who cannot do without. In the USA, they have a huge range of such goods, but I'm not sure about their availability where you are.
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
23 Nov 12
very sorry to say i had to go with the turkey today. i generally eat less meat then anything anyway but this is a very important tradition in my family. i didnt sneak. i told son i was doing it and also, i bought ALL the dinner and more to make up for it. so there. other then today, ive only had one bite of meat since i tried this. and i intend to try more going without meat. dont know where to find any of the vegan special meats stuff and likely i bet it costs a lot more?
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
23 Nov 12
btw, he did eat and enjoy all the other goodies. i even bought stuffing without meat ingredients special.
@inertia4 (27960)
• United States
13 Nov 12
No, no vegans here. I know that too much meat is no good for you. Especially beef. That is the worst. I eat mostly chicken and pork chops with vegetables. I like vegetables. But I also like meat. And of course fish. Remember this, too much of anything is no good for you.
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
13 Nov 12
the thing is i can hardly stand most fish. i do like shrimp, oysters, and clams tho. son says thats not meat. but i do look forward to turkey once a year
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@RitterSport (2451)
• Lippstadt, Germany
13 Nov 12
I admire your son for wanting to go vegan and not only vegetarian.....I could not even go vegetarian as I would miss my burgers and my real soup stock.......
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
13 Nov 12
i think he has changed it to vegetaruan as he hates giving up ice cream and cheese. its gotta be hard for him tho i imagine as he loved his McDonalds big macs.
@RitterSport (2451)
• Lippstadt, Germany
13 Nov 12
oh bunnybon, as a diabetic I am not getting to McD often but if I do I get me a Big Mac too.........
@peavey (16936)
• United States
12 Nov 12
I don't know anyone (well enough to have Thanksgiving with) who is vegan or even vegetarian. It just isn't Thanksgiving without turkey as far as I'm concerned. I love it and always buy one that's bigger than necessary so I will have lots of leftovers, so I'd be sneaking a piece of it, too!
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
12 Nov 12
yes im afraid that 65yrs of routine and tradition is getting to me. ive never been a big meat eater. always prefering to eat mostly the other dishes and ingrediets but still enjoy a little here and there at times. i should do a search to figure out the difference in vegan and vegetaruan. not sure of that. its confusing.
@deebomb (15304)
• United States
16 Nov 12
Hello bunny. What a challenge for your son to pay for groceries.. No meat for a while. There are a number of companies that make meat replacements. Morningstar farms Baco and lightlife produce meat substitutes. they are all pretty good. They even have a bacon. But you can make your own. There are recipes all over the net. Here is a list of good vegetarian foods.
http://www.ehow.com/info_8776184_meat-substitutes.html
You can also get vegetarin turkey. It is called tofurkey
http://www.tofurky.com/ourstory/ingredients.html
http://vegetarian.about.com/od/shoppingproducts/qt/buyingtofurky.htm
If you can find a Seventh Day Adventist store You can find all kind of vegetarian foods. Better than a regular health food store. Good luck with your experiment.
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
16 Nov 12
thank you. it was just to tempting but dont know how long i can do it. i dont eat a lot of meat normally anyway. just holidays and special things.
@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
17 Nov 12
I couldn't go vegan. I'm just too used to eating meat. I don't have red meat too often but I do like it every once in a while and I love my dairy products, cheeses and things.
We don't do Thanksgiving here but roast turkey is my favourite thing. I have no idea how people can give up those foods and go vegan.
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
17 Nov 12
im not sure if the turkey will taste different but im definately going to try it. most meat has not tasted good to me before this. yesterday i tried a bite of my daughters pork chops she made. i used to love those. yet this tasted bad to me so im wondering if it does get to be a habit to eat meat.
@carmelanirel (20942)
• United States
12 Nov 12
Wow, if only someone would give me an offer like that, I'd jump on it...:)
I don't know any personal vegans, but a few years ago my family and I went on a 40 day Daniel fast which consisted only fruits, vegetables, and whole grains. It was hard, what I missed most was cheese pizza, but it wasn't that bad. Ironically my husband who complained, (in a light manner) about not eating meat today said he wants to go back on it because he physically felt better and lost weight. Of course he says this after "filling" our freezer with a lot of meat...
Seriously though, your son would have regretted it is he offered that to me, because I would do some serious shopping, (I know what vegan foods to get to help with my sweet tooth cravings) and would thoroughly enjoy myself. As for missing the meat? Not really. I use to be a big bacon and ham eater, and now when I see or smell pork, it makes me nauseous.
@carmelanirel (20942)
• United States
12 Nov 12
It took me years to give up the bacon, that was the hardest one, but trust me, after a while, now it smells bad.
As for vitamins, I don't believe that for a second. Sure if you don't eat meat and the food you eat to get your protein is not organic, you will need vitamins and I am sure that since he is going "vegan" he knows to avoid fruits and veggies grown with pesticides. Unfortunately that is also where the high costs come in, because really when you think about it, the price of one serving of meat is more than one serving of veggies, unless the veggies are organic.
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
12 Nov 12
my son has never really liked to eat pork so he wont miss that. i on the other hand love bacon and ham and its hard to give that up. but funny thing is, he loved his steaks and beef and also his milk. so he may very well lose weight. i just hope he keeps up his vitamins cause i told him he may miss certain ones that give him strength
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@Kashmeresmycat (6369)
• United States
12 Nov 12
No way, I do not have any vegans in the family, but we do have friends like that. I couldn't do it, but what I do is a slight compromise, and I'm by myself. I try to eat no meat at least 4 times a week. These days I only have vegies, etc., and no meat involved. Then, the other 3 days I do have meat if I want to.
I try not to go crazy with it as I'm really trying to cut down on my meat content because of cholesterol. I do eat fish quite a bit, as I just love it. If I could afford fish every day then I would eat it that much.
Thanksgiving? Well, all I can say is, I already bought my Turkey and do plan on eating it, along with all the other goodies. I think it's just a matter of compromise within yourself. It's too bad that the both of you couldn't compromise and once in a while you could eat your meat too. Have fun and good luck! It IS healthier I must say, and hey, he's footing the bill!
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
13 Nov 12
well ive already told son i have to cheat a little on thanksging. i cant just go cold turkey hes fine with that. i think hes just trying to help
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
14 Nov 12
I have had turkey for Thanksgiving for so long that I wouldn't know what to do if I didn't have it. My youngest daughter once decided to go vegan but it was fairly short lived. I know it is supposed to be better for you but it would be hard for me to go through the holidays without even a nibble.
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
15 Nov 12
yep that me for sure. had it (turkey) for thanksgiving for 64 yrs. so yes i told him, "you cant expect me to go cold turkey" pun intended
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
14 Nov 12
I don't think that it would ever be possible for me to go vegan, although there are times that I think that it would be possible for me to go vegetarian. The Thanksgiving dinner wouldn't be an issue for me at all. The reason that I say that is because of the fact that I just don't like turkey. For Thanksgiving dinner I've been known to eat only the sides and never touch the meat because I tend to think that turkey is just too dry.
However, you couldn't take meat and dairy products all away from me, I don't know if I would be able to survive.
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
15 Nov 12
yes i have played with the idea myself for many years because of hearing so many good things about it. but never had the courage to act on it even tho, i dont eat a lot of meat anyway. just certain things mean certain traditions at holidays like turkey. thanksgiving isnt the same without it.
@thesids (22180)
• Bhubaneswar, India
12 Nov 12
Hi bunnybon
We dont have thanksgiving here and also I dont think anyone here gets to eat a turkey as it isnt a bird found in India.
My wife is a sort of vegetarian though she sometimes has fish. My late granny was a vegetarian in more stricter terms - she would not have even eggs or fish. But neither ever object or make it an issue when others on the dining table are having the chicken or mutton food. Though there are some whom I know, will make a fuss even at the sight of a non-vegetarian item.
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
12 Nov 12
son says he doesnt care what everyone else eats he just thinks of that poor calf he saw in the video and thinks he can never eat animals again. so i guess he may be complete vegan from here on. myself i cant give up cheese nor ice cream so i suppose im trying to be vegetarian. it is better for you i guess.
@thesids (22180)
• Bhubaneswar, India
12 Nov 12
This happened with me when I saw for the first time a chicken (or hen) being slaughtered by the butcher. I didnt feel eating chicken for days and if I was forced, I felt like puking it out... but then over time, things became alright. Maybe my parents were more rigid and they said - you should have everything which is served to you because that food comes from the Lord. He provides us with food and so you should NOT say NO to anything that comes to you. And then, mom did not cook anything else but chicken for the next few days and so I had no choice.
I did feel bad that time, but today, I do realize and value the fact that whatever is served on the plates for dinner, is valuable and I should respect and be thankful that I could get some food.
ps: I am not negging or denying the views of your son, instead I respect them, but I thougt I should share how we (me and my brother - he was on a special treat of brinjals/eggplants) grew up
@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
12 Nov 12
I have no vegans in my family, thank heavens,lol. I love veggies but i love meat to. Good luck. Hope u don't get caught,.
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
12 Nov 12
i already told him i could go along at a certain degree but i have to slowly ween off what little meat i already eat. i mean coco gets most meat from things i eat now. i eat very little meat already. but he knows im having some turkey. already told him. it will leave lots more beef for everyone since when we have beef, he eats the majority of it. so,wonder how long he can last on this
@celticeagle (168269)
• Boise, Idaho
12 Nov 12
I have been eating beef, chicken, pork, turkey and fish for nearly 60 years and there is no way I am going vegan now! Veganism is very healthy but I couldn't stand not have meat. I have vegans anywhere near me. lol We are just the opposite! I wish you luck and hope you enjoy the food.
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
12 Nov 12
i understand your thoughts. i hope i can eventually give up meat. but can never give up animal products like cheese and ice cream. we will see how it goes.
@mythociate (21432)
• Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
12 Nov 12
No, I don't. We're not exactly farmers, but we're close enough to understand that many of these animals would not live if we weren't going to one day kill them & eat them ... Circle of Life!
In fact, I wouldn't mind if I were eaten when I stopped living (of course, it would be better for everyone if I were cremated then and added to some gardening soil ... living forever as an added nutrient )
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
12 Nov 12
one way to look at it. except farmers dont kill the same way these slaughter houses or factories do. my dad killed for food and got it over with. and was kind to them when they was alive. thats how it should be for every living thing that has to die.
@deazil (4730)
• United States
12 Nov 12
I have never been a vegan but I was a vegetarian for many years beginning when I was about 48. Now I'm a pescetarian. I stopped eating meat because at the time I was a member of PETA and I saw an undercover film that was absolutely horrifying. I won't say what it was about but it took place in a pig slaughterhouse and involved the most inhuman torture I have ever seen. I know animals get slaughtered but to torture them first is abominable. The slaughterhouse was closed by the government shortly after the film went public and an investigation was started. I have never eaten meat since then. And I was a great fan of pork, bacon in particular. I use to save the bacon grease and cook lots of different foods in it. So I didn't change my diet for health reasons. And vegans are very purist in their beliefs. A true vegan will not wear or use anything that comes from animals - leather, wool, etc. - as well as not eat any animal. So I will not be missing turkey as I do eat fish and fowl and dairy. But only if it's organic.
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
12 Nov 12
i think my son may have seen the same video or similar. i also wonder why they have to torture instead of finding the easiest way to just kill them. i dont think hes doing it for health really either. but i am going to try it. altho like you, i love bacon and like to cook with it as it gives great flavor to things.
@Sindelle (824)
• United States
12 Nov 12
One of my best friends is vegan. He does miss turkey as well as many other meats. I'll catch him talking about how good certain meals smell. I even caught him once highly intoxicated eating a hot dog. He greatly regretted it in the morning.
Your son is right in that they're plenty of other things to eat besides Turkey. They're also many meat substitutes that are very tasty. I will say though that if you have any guests over they'll be disappointed if they do not see a turkey on the table.
I think that being vegan is a choice you need to make for yourself and not a lifestyle that you should switch to if you do not believe in it. I'd just make your son a special vegan meal and cook a turkey for everyone else.
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
12 Nov 12
thats what we are doing. and tonight we made chili and took some out for son before adding the meat
@LovingMySon (224)
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12 Nov 12
i wouldnt be able to become a vegan because i cant give up my turkey on thanksgiving. i absolutley love turkey and look foward to it every year on thanksgiving.
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
13 Nov 12
me to. thats what took me a couple of days to realise