Petition to strip secession petition signatories of US citizenship

Rollo1 (3271) It seems we often come up with a confict of one man's rights means anothers rights are taken away. This petition is just creepy to me...if one can lose their citizenship for merely signing a petition, then we are in big trouble...

What scares me is that it wouldn't surprise me if Obama actually put some thought into doing just that. He's already shown that he's not above using Executive Power to do things that the people are against. He's shown that he doesn't cars about our country. Why wouldn't he be willing to get rid of his detractors? Nothing he does would surprise me.

Now, since we realize that most of those petitions are simply a way for people to express their displeasure with the current administration's policies and the results of the election. In other words a petty tantrum or sour grapes of those who can't bear to accept the democratic vote, poor little spoilt children all the best, urban

What an idiot. Those petitions are expressions of the degree of agitation that people are feeling, not a heartfelt desire to tear the country apart. You can't fix stupid.

Don't have much different to add than Metallion. Stop whining about wanting to cease to be part of America just because you lost. And stop trying to have Obama rule as dictator, you fake Woody Allens. Everybody just relax! On one hand, it's good that so many people are interested in politics. On the other hand, you don't have to take your ball and go home just because you got beat in H.O.R.S.E., and you don't have to get your dad to forever ban someone from your yard if they want to take their ball and go. This is all some kiddie nonsense in my opinion. Be adults. Keep your head down, work, take care of you and yours, vote when you get a chance, and get a tissue if you feel the need to cry.

I find it disgusting that an American citizen would not acknowledge or even recognize that he/she has a right (unalienable, God given, natural law)to petition their government for a redress of grievances. I find it reprehensible that some citizens would call for the stripping of constitutionally held citizenship from those who act on this first amendment right. Those citizens are the REASON many feel we've let things go to far, that America is no longer a Constitutional Republic and has slipped into tyranny. http://www.givemeliberty.org/rtplawsuit/SignPetitions.htm "When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."

Why the vicious backlash? That's just the normal order of business. For decades now I've witnessed the left's condescension as the answer to all issues.. and now I see how condescension is turning and has turned for many, into hate your guts hatred. So, I am not one tiny bit surprised by this attitude from the party of peace and tolerance..

I certainly hope it doesn't get to 25,000 signatures, but in the current environment, it could. I think the critical question you asked is " Is this now a country where you support the president blindly and without question or we take away your civil liberties?" My answer is no... but it's true that the Patriot Act was the beginning of many of our current laws that curtail freedom. If Obama did sign an order that takes away citizenship, would he not be a dictator de facto? I think so. Leaving a country voluntarily is done all the time. Leaving it by being deported means that you have done something very wrong, like treason. Asking to leave a country is not treason. Of course, we're pretty sure that no state will actually secede. If they do, it's not because they're not patriotic, it's because they are patriotic. The United States was born and grew under a totally different set of morals, political philosophies and personal ideals than it is now. If someone wants to return that, they are not wrong, neither are they unpatriotic. Will he sign it? Probably not. He needs all the tax payers he can get to support those who don't pay taxes.

This is a very dubious area and not one that can be easily decided. I can understand the attitude of those people submitting such a petition because the signatories are openly declaring that they do not wish to remain citizens of the USA. Nevertheless, without secession actually taking place then these people will be natural citizens who were born there. Where could they possibly be deported to? My opinions of Obama as president would be irrelevant because I am not a American citizen and not qualified to judge his period of office. However, I can confidently say that there is virtually no way that he or any other politician can reasonably consider deporting a natural citizen.

"Is this now a country where you support the president blindly and without question or we take away your civil liberties? " This is like Deja vu all over again. I remember when people blindly supported a president and they actually TOOK civil liberties away from people. Funny, I know you were alive during the Bush years, yet it sounds like you weren't against that when republicans did it!!!!

All of the secession petitions are simply protests against the Obama administration and their policies. None of them will lead to an actual secession, mainly because they aren't real petitions and even if they were, petitions to the White House about secession are worthless. Even the Texas petition, which has by far the most "signatures", won't lead to anything, although if any state was actually going to secede, I think it would be Texas. The other petitions, and their are two of them, to deport and strip the citizenship of everyone who signed a secession petition, are simply childish responses to people protesting. They are also probably in violation of the terms of the website because they call for taking direct action against a specific group of people or individuals. This is another example of the hypocrisy of the left. They claim to be the party of tolerance, but they are clearly not tolerant of anyone who doesn't agree with them. They are in favor of protest, but not if you're protesting what they believe in. They are in favor of free speech, but not if you're speaking out about anything they don't agree with. They would have citizens stripped of their rights, simply because they are voicing an opinion that doesn't agree with theirs. In actuality, it's all pretty silly. The petitions are meaningless anyway. The Obama administration doesn't pay any attention to them. I doubt he is even aware of them except for the fact that they made the news. Rest assured, he will not respond to them. Some lackey at the bottom of the White House totem pole will be charged with drumming up some meaningless discourse to satisfy the requirement of a "White House response". I read some of the responses to other petitions. I think they were composed by some politician in training because they were often several paragraphs that say absolutely nothing. By the way, there are now petitions to impeach the president, let Atlanta withdraw from the state of Georgia and remain part of the U.S., affirm that N. Carolina remain part of the U.S. and many other silly petitions. They are being started left and right, many in direct retaliation to other petitions, by people behaving like kids fighting in the school yard. It really just makes a mockery of the process of addressing real issues to the White House, not that they listen anyway. It's just all so much nonsense...

Those signing the secession petitions are within their First Amendment rights to do so, though in doing so they forever forfeit any claim to patriotism. Those signing the citizenship revocation petitions are also within their First Amendment rights to do so, though in doing so they also show their moral and educational failings. The answer to these petitions, should they get enough signatures to warrant signature of course will be no. We do not break up the union because someone doesn't like how the election went, the President does not and should not have the authority to revoke citizenship -- and hopefully this can illustrate why the Enemy Expatriation Act should be allowed to wither and die.

I think both sets of petitions are childish. Firstly, no one is going to get to secede and this isn't the first time some states had tried to secede because of a presidential election. I am pretty sure people wanted to secede under Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Nixon, Kennedy and the list goes on. I do not believe there should be a petition to strip them of their citizenship. However... You can not call one vicious backlash without calling the other vicious backlash. Just because one side thinks it is vicious backlash to want secession petition signers to leave the USA... It can easily have been seen as vicious backlash to want to start a petition to secede because things didn't go their way. Both are childish. It is simple. If they don't like something, then in the next four years vote and hope that everyone votes with you. If it is so bad that you truly can't stand it then leave the country otherwise deal with it. The way both sides are handling this is an embarrassment.

This doesn't seem to be representative of the majority of Obama supporters. Of course there are things that no one is happy about. It doesn't seem likely that the President will pay attention to this new petition. If people want to revoke their citizenship and take up residence in a different country, that is their choice. If they serve in the armed forces, holding a government office, or voting in the elections of a foreign country, then the government has the right to revoke their U.S. citizenship.